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Originally posted by JuTin77:
In a discussion that I had on a different topic, I had this conversation "Lalli you wrote "Remember to ask permission for your project from FOX, AND YOU MUST HAVE THE WRITTEN VERSION OF IT. You have no idea how deep into lawshit you can sink if you don't do it by the book, believe me."

I'm working on a film called "Spaced Out" a comedy cartoon and at one point the character is singing "Ballad of Serenity".

I always thought that I didn't need permission if I didn't profit from the copyright infringement.

Please help, that scene is in the begining of the film and we're way past that.

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Originally posted by lasher99:
IANAL either, but I think you would need to get permission from the copyright holder even if you are not profiting from the film. Journalists enjoy certain privliges for review purposes but this is not what you are doing here. You're creating a derivative work for that song which may constitute a copyright violation. It may depend how much of the song you are using but you'd have to dig further into your copyright laws. Remember songs such as "Happy Birthday" were (or maybe still are) subject to a royalty/copyright fee if performed in public. My advice, contact 20th Century Fox in writing, let them know of your intent, provide them the scene from your script and wait for a reply. No response from them does not mean they waive their copyright. Only if you get it in writing will you be in the clear if there is a copyright issue.

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Originally posted by JuTin77:
What do you mean contact you to get in contact with Joss?

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Originally posted by FlyingTams:
When did we actually hear a ballad of serenity?

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Originally posted by JuTin77:

I always thought that I didn't need permission if I didn't profit from the copyright infringement.

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Originally posted by JuTin77:
How do I get in contact directly with Mutant Enemy surpassing 20th Fox? I'm just a local film maker... no agent.

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

You should look under fair use and other usage "rights"... IANAL, but I believe you can take examples from mix artists who "sample" from different works to make a composite work. I believe you can also use less than 4 bars and still considered ok.

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Originally posted by Astriana:
Chances are that Joss, having written both music and lyrics, holds the copyright to the song. (But make sure you DOUBLE CHECK!)

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Originally posted by maugwai:
The rule for magazines is, you can print up to a certain amount of the song (four lines, I think?) without fear of copyright issues. After that, you must get permission. I'm not sure if that applies to film, but it would make sense.

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
You should look under fair use and other usage "rights"... IANAL, but I believe you can take examples from mix artists who "sample" from different works to make a composite work. I believe you can also use less than 4 bars and still considered ok.

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Originally posted by FlyingTams:
Ah the title tune, well you two are the only ones calling it that ;)

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Originally posted by IamJacksUsername:

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
You should look under fair use and other usage "rights"... IANAL, but I believe you can take examples from mix artists who "sample" from different works to make a composite work. I believe you can also use less than 4 bars and still considered ok.

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"The 6th Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati [ruled people must] pay for every musical sample included in their work, including minor, unrecognisable snippets of music." - Court rules samplers must pay, 2004-09-08, Australian IT, http://tinyurl.com/5hnta
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