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Hollywood's Abysmal 2023 in Numbers

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Thursday, January 11, 2024 9:27 AM

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Or, yanno, they could go back to hiring people based on merit instead of which boxes they check off.

Universal seems to have figured out how to make it work. And not including any subsidiaries, Universal put out more movies than Disney did in 2023.

https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/Universal

1 The Super Mario Bros. Movie
2 Oppenheimer
3 Fast X
4 Five Nights at Freddy’s
5 Trolls Band Together
6 M3GAN
7 The Exorcist: Believer
8 Cocaine Bear
9 Migration
10 Knock at the Cabin
11 Strays
12 Renfield
13 Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken
14 The Last Voyage of the Demeter

https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/Walt-Disney

1 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3
2 The Little Mermaid
3 Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
4 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
5 Elemental
6 The Marvels
7 Haunted Mansion
8 Wish

And here's Disney's theatrical releases by its subsidiaries...

https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/Searchlight-Pictur
es

9 Poor Things
10 Next Goal Wins
11 Theater Camp
12 Chevalier
13 All of Us Strangers

https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/20th-Century-Studi
os

14 The Boogeyman
15 A Haunting in Venice
16 The Creator


As far as releases in theaters go, even with all those additional people working at 2 extra studios, that's only 2 more movies than Universal released.

Universal kept the production budgets down to $1,071,203,077 and grossed $4,237,897,174 worldwide. Disney's budgets were $1,832,550,000 and they only grossed $3,237,431,331 worldwide. (Not including 20th Century Studios and Searchlight budgets and returns which only makes the situation for Disney much worse)


If Disney isn't going to axe the diversity hires, pull the Leftist agenda out of all of their flicks, hire based off of merit or cut their budget, they've got two other options.

1. Stop spending all that additional money making a bunch of TV shows and movies that nobody wants to see on your streaming platform that is losing over a Billion dollars annually.

2. Put all your shit on Disney+ and don't bother spending any marketing budget to put them in theaters because nobody wants to see any of it.

That's what they did with Peter Pan and Wendy, and even though a loss of $170 Million on the production budget looks bad on paper when it was put directly on the Disney+ streaming service that loses over a Billion dollars every year, there was no marketing budget spent and they didn't have to share a 50% split with the theaters, so Peter Pan and Wendy lost a LOT LESS money than movies like Indiana Jones 5 (-$368,438,024), The Marvels (-$487,026,232), Haunted Mansion (-$279,577,011) and Wish (-$323,014,839).

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Thursday, January 11, 2024 12:27 PM

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The Color Purple...

Warner Bros. wraps up 2023 with another box office failure because it doesn't know how to budget.


And here I was thinking this movie was already a great success with $49 Million in the bank after 10 days and international releases not rolling out until the end of January.

But that was when a Google search told me it cost only $15 Million to make.

Nope.

That was the 1985 movie's production budget.


2023's version cost $100 Million.

It needs to make $250 Million to break even.



SPOILER ALERT: With it's first sub-Million day on Tuesday in the states, it ain't getting there.




Why? Why? Why do you keep doing this?


Songbirds & Snakes was saved by the fact that Lionsgate decided to strip down the budget and only lay down $100 Million when adjusted for inflation it might have made sense to spend $200 Million for another installment compared to the previous budgets those movies had.

But The Color Purple was never going to have the mass-market appeal of a Hunger Games movie.

You had to know this. You had to.


Movies like The Color Purple, Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon shouldn't cost a single dime more than $50 Million, maximum. Hell... I'd argue that because of the demographically challenged nature of The Color Purple, it shouldn't have cost more than $30 Million to make. If you did that, you would have made a lot of money.

Whatever...

I'm looking forward to getting the 2023 lists together. We already know that Disney shit the bed and Universal was rolling in cash during 2023, but I'm really interested in finding out just how luke warm Warner Bros. 2023 turned out with flop after flop after flop under its belt despite having the highest grossing flick of the year.

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Unless the international audience comes out for this movie big time in the coming weeks, this movie is dead in the water.

Another week (and weekend) has come and gone, and we're looking at only $56 Million on a $100 Million budget. This probably won't even top $75 Million in the States, let alone make the production budget back here.

Warner Bros. has lost $194,360,851 on this movie currently. My guess is that they'll lose about $100 Million on it by the time it's out of the global theater market.


That's strike two for Halle Bailey.

The Little Mermaid lost Disney $56,654,952 last year, and that's with the $250 Million Production Budget figure when it's been rumored that with reshoots it cost closer to Indiana Jones 5's $300 Million to make.

Are they finally going to get around to putting her in a movie that makes money, or are they going to destroy her career before it even takes off?


Halle...

Go see if Universal wants to put you in a movie before your career dies.

Or maybe even Lionsgate. They finally managed to put Rachel Zegler in something that made money. They could probably easily fit you in the second Hunger Games prequel if you don't demand too much money.

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Monday, January 15, 2024 12:31 PM

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Wonka cruises past $500 Million worldwide after an $8.4 Million 5th weekend in the states.

I'm officially calling out myself for the bad prediction on that one. I never said it would be a failure and I did say that even though it was completely unnecessary it would be a modest success, but it's easily going to be a profit of over $200 Million by next weekend with more gas left in the tank. A much needed win to round out 2023 for Warner Bros. after all those DC movie failures and the massive failure of The Color Purple remake.

The Color Purple still hasn't hit the international market, but it's basically done here, grossing only $1.8 Million over the weekend for a US total so far of only $58.3 Million on a $100 Million budget. I don't see any chance of this one coming even remotely close to breaking even for WB. At least Wonka's win will cover The Color Purple's losses so they don't have to dip even further into their Barbie win to cover it.




Wish is basically done making any money now, with $223 Million worldwide on a $200 Million budget, just the last of a very long string of Disney losses that ended up being close to $2 Billion in total for 2023. The Marvels appears to definately be out of theaters as Bruce still hasn't updated any figures since January 1st. It's still too early to say that it won't make $200 Million worldwide on a $275 Million budget since Bruce changes international numbers for movies more than 6 months after they're out of theaters, but it's sitting at only $199,724,382 currently.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The Color Purple...

Warner Bros. wraps up 2023 with another box office failure because it doesn't know how to budget.


And here I was thinking this movie was already a great success with $49 Million in the bank after 10 days and international releases not rolling out until the end of January.

But that was when a Google search told me it cost only $15 Million to make.

Nope.

That was the 1985 movie's production budget.


2023's version cost $100 Million.

It needs to make $250 Million to break even.
Hollywood will struggle since the Pirates now have The Color Purple:

https://yts.mx/movies/the-color-purple-2023

https://psa.wf/movie/the-color-purple-2023/

https://1337x.unblockit.date/sort-search/The%20Color%20Purple/time/des
c/1/ (the "/" at the end of the URL is necessary)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, January 16, 2024 11:58 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The Color Purple...

Warner Bros. wraps up 2023 with another box office failure because it doesn't know how to budget.


And here I was thinking this movie was already a great success with $49 Million in the bank after 10 days and international releases not rolling out until the end of January.

But that was when a Google search told me it cost only $15 Million to make.

Nope.

That was the 1985 movie's production budget.


2023's version cost $100 Million.

It needs to make $250 Million to break even.
Hollywood will struggle since the Pirates now have The Color Purple:



Maybe?

Nobody went to see it in America in the three weeks it's already been out without pirated versions floating around.

It still needs to make about $191 Million to break even, and with maybe another $10-$15 Million left in the US box office there was no way that this one was ever going to make 70%+ of its worldwide gross internationally even if they hadn't waited a full month before releasing it outside of the States.

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Wednesday, January 17, 2024 9:14 AM

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Hollywood's losses would be smaller if movie budgets were smaller.

How Beloved Firefly Sequel Film Serenity Slashed Its Budget from $100 Million to $39 Million

The Firefly sequel film went full guerrilla-filmmaking to get its budget to the point it could land a green light.

By Trent Moore | Jan 15, 2024, 9:00 AM ET

https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/how-serenity-slashed-its-budget-from-10
0-million-to-39-million

In a 2005 interview with the Los Angeles Times, the effects crew and film’s creators opened up about the ways they shaved tens of millions off the film’s cost. Basically, they shot it like a TV show, creating only what was necessary and meticulously storyboarding things out so no resources were wasted.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060515164330/http://www.calendarlive.com
/printedition/calendar/cl-ca-homefront9oct09%2C0%2C2503431.htmlstory

One of the movie’s most ambitious set pieces, a wild chase scene early in the film, was projected to be one of the costliest segments in the film. So instead of trying to build out a massive CGI chase, they built a trailer with a cantilevered arm big enough to hold the on-screen hovercraft and actors. Then they just shot the scene on Templin Highway around Santa Clarita. For the Reaver vehicle chasing the crew, they hacked an old pick-up truck together with some CGI overlays for final effects. In the end, a scene expected to take 30 days was finished up in five.

They even had to rebuild the Serenity ship itself for sets, using old blueprints and DVD screen grabs for reference, a process they knocked out in a brief 14 weeks and under budget. All the explosions and pyrotechnics in the film were also done on a tight schedule, filmed across three nights at Mystery Mesa near Valencia. Traditionally, that level of sci-fi action pyro work for a blockbuster movie would’ve taken around two weeks.

When all was finished, the entire film was originally estimated to take 80 days to shoot — and they managed to wrap Serenity in under 50 days.

Serenity airs Thursday, Jan. 18 at 9 a.m. ET, and Friday, Jan. 19 at 3:30 a.m. ET on SYFY. You can also pick up the film from Universal Pictures Home Entertainment right here. https://digitalmoviedeals.nbcuniversal.com/products/serenity

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, January 17, 2024 11:54 AM

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Hollywood's losses would be smaller if movie budgets were smaller.


I wonder how long it's going to take you to figure out that the more time passes the more you and your media of choice are starting to sound like I do on this matter.

Universal made a great profit last year while Disney was over $1.8 Billion in the hole.

This wasn't because Universal had a slam dunk year and everything they put out was gold. They had plenty of turds. One of them being Renfield which came in dead last on the list of 74 movies counted in this thread. That single movie alone cost Universal $188 Million on an $86 Million budget. The Last Voyage of the Demeter lost $92 Million on a $45 Million budget. Strays lost $79 Million on a $46 Million budget.

But what did all of those movies have in common? Very low budgets compared to Disney bombs, when it seemed that Disney was incapable of putting out a release in 2023 without spending at least $200 Million on the budget.

BTW... Universal's Migration has moved way up the list now with $175 Million in the bank and is just $5 Million short of breaking even on its $72 Million budget, which it will easily do by the end of the weekend.

Universal's HUGEST misstep was making the mistake of having the largest admitted production budget of any movie in 2023 with the $340 Million it spent on Fast X. That could have been a catastrophe for them, but fortunately it did gross $714 Million worldwide and only cost Universal $135 Million. I would not advise Fast XI be made unless they drop the budget to only $100 Million.

Even with all the above losses Universal is on top for 2023 with $1,559,889,482 as of 01/04. And with the additional money Migration has pulled in to break even, it's more like $1.65 Billion in profit for the year.




Quote:
How Beloved Firefly Sequel Film Serenity Slashed Its Budget from $100 Million to $39 Million

The Firefly sequel film went full guerrilla-filmmaking to get its budget to the point it could land a green light.

By Trent Moore | Jan 15, 2024, 9:00 AM ET

https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/how-serenity-slashed-its-budget-from-10
0-million-to-39-million

In a 2005 interview with the Los Angeles Times, the effects crew and film’s creators opened up about the ways they shaved tens of millions off the film’s cost. Basically, they shot it like a TV show, creating only what was necessary and meticulously storyboarding things out so no resources were wasted.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060515164330/http://www.calendarlive.com
/printedition/calendar/cl-ca-homefront9oct09%2C0%2C2503431.htmlstory

One of the movie’s most ambitious set pieces, a wild chase scene early in the film, was projected to be one of the costliest segments in the film. So instead of trying to build out a massive CGI chase, they built a trailer with a cantilevered arm big enough to hold the on-screen hovercraft and actors. Then they just shot the scene on Templin Highway around Santa Clarita. For the Reaver vehicle chasing the crew, they hacked an old pick-up truck together with some CGI overlays for final effects. In the end, a scene expected to take 30 days was finished up in five.

They even had to rebuild the Serenity ship itself for sets, using old blueprints and DVD screen grabs for reference, a process they knocked out in a brief 14 weeks and under budget. All the explosions and pyrotechnics in the film were also done on a tight schedule, filmed across three nights at Mystery Mesa near Valencia. Traditionally, that level of sci-fi action pyro work for a blockbuster movie would’ve taken around two weeks.

When all was finished, the entire film was originally estimated to take 80 days to shoot — and they managed to wrap Serenity in under 50 days.

Serenity airs Thursday, Jan. 18 at 9 a.m. ET, and Friday, Jan. 19 at 3:30 a.m. ET on SYFY. You can also pick up the film from Universal Pictures Home Entertainment right here. https://digitalmoviedeals.nbcuniversal.com/products/serenity

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


That's a cool story.

I love hearing how low-budget things get made. Hungry people get shit done.

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Saturday, January 20, 2024 8:09 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Hollywood asks: How to profit when we are competing with FREE?

Answer: The communal experience of going to the theater! It's like church on Sunday!

Wonka opened on Dec 15th, but by Jan 19th it was FREE from the Pirates at
https://yts.mx/movies/wonka-2023
https://psa.wf/movie/wonka-2023/

For comparison with all the other Chocolate Factory Movies:

Opened | Title | Budget | Box Office
Dec 15, 2023 Wonka $125,000,000 $511,527,738
Jul 15, 2005 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory $150,000,000 $475,825,484
Jun 30, 1971 Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory $3,000,000 $4,065,345

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Charlie-and-the-Chocolate
-Factory#tab=summary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 20, 2024 8:46 AM

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Hollywood asks: How to profit when we are competing with FREE?

Answer: The communal experience of going to the theater! It's like church on Sunday!


It ain't for everybody (Present company included). But a lot of people prefer it over binge-watching disposable content in their living room in their sweatpants.

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Wonka opened on Dec 15th, but by Jan 19th it was FREE from the Pirates at


It's already made $181 Million in the US and $511 Million worldwide. Though I knew it wasn't going to lose money for Warner Bros, that was far beyond any expectations I had for it. BoxOfficePro predicted on November 16th that it would top out at $210 Million in the US and $450 Million worldwide.

https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-range-box-office-forecast-wonka/

In the end, it likely does $100 Million more business than the media was predicting that it would.

If Wonka makes less than $4 million between Friday and Sunday in the states, the early pirate release might be negatively impacting the movie that's already in the Weekend 5 box office decline. We're never really going to know the answer to that question because we don't have the ability to monitor the parallel universe where pirated movies only come out after the movies finish their box office run. But it already is a success, and the pirate release comes out well after the movie made the vast bulk of the money it was going to make in the theaters. (With or without a pirate release, I doubt that it would ultimately end up making much more than $550 Million worldwide looking at the current numbers and the current trajectory).

And we do know that Five Nights at Freddy's was released legally with no additional charge on day one for streaming on Peacock which only cost $5.99 per month and it went on to be the 4th most profitable movie of 2023, making nearly 1,500% of its $20 Million budget. But maybe it would have been #1 if it didn't get that peacock release (and the immediate pirate release that came from it).


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For comparison with all the other Chocolate Factory Movies:

Opened | Title | Budget | Box Office
Dec 15, 2023 Wonka $125,000,000 $511,527,738
Jul 15, 2005 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory $150,000,000 $475,825,484
Jun 30, 1971 Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory $3,000,000 $4,065,345


With inflation, and the percentage of box office vs. budget:

Title | Budget | Box Office (Inflation adj) | % vs Budget

Wonka / $125,000,000 / $511,527,738 / 409%

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory / $234,026,114 / $742,370,592 / 317%

Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory / $22,570,519 / $30,585,648 / 136%


2023's Wonka, without a doubt, has been the most profitable film based off of this franchise to date.

The original didn't do well in the theaters at all and believe it or not wasn't well received when it was released. It was a low budget commercial for candy, and its origins are quite cynical. It didn't gain a following until it was shown on TV all the time because the rights were cheap. By the time I was growing up in the mid-80s and saw it for the first time with my Mom it had already become somewhat of a classic movie. It lost money in the theaters, but it wasn't designed to be a box office success. It was designed to sell candy, and on a very cheap budget.

It should also be noted that back in 1971 the international box office wasn't really even a thing. I'm sure that movies were shown internationally in some capacity back then, particularly in European countries, but if there were any sizable profits made from international showings back then nobody was tracking it for the historical records.


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If Wonka makes less than $4 million between Friday and Sunday in the states, the early pirate release might be negatively impacting the movie that's already in the Weekend 5 box office decline. We're never really going to know the answer to that question because we don't have the ability to monitor the parallel universe where pirated movies only come out after the movies finish their box office run.
In time the smartest moviegoers will understand that if they wait five weeks it is free. Then moviegoers will be the stupid ones who don't understand. Movies are already bad, but wait until Hollywood realizes that all the ticket purchasers are the stupidest. Then movies will sink to depths previously never reached.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. People can easily be persuaded to accept the most inferior ideas or useless products; attributed to H. L. Mencken.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 20, 2024 7:26 PM

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Quote:
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If Wonka makes less than $4 million between Friday and Sunday in the states, the early pirate release might be negatively impacting the movie that's already in the Weekend 5 box office decline. We're never really going to know the answer to that question because we don't have the ability to monitor the parallel universe where pirated movies only come out after the movies finish their box office run.
In time the smartest moviegoers will understand that if they wait five weeks it is free. Then moviegoers will be the stupid ones who don't understand. Movies are already bad, but wait until Hollywood realizes that all the ticket purchasers are the stupidest. Then movies will sink to depths previously never reached.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. People can easily be persuaded to accept the most inferior ideas or useless products; attributed to H. L. Mencken.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Some people prefer the movie-going experience than watching it at home. Not just some, but a very sizable portion of people.

And once again, Five Nights at Freddy's was available to stream legally on day one for a $5.99 Peacock subscription without spending a further dime on "renting" the movie. Yet it still grossed over $295 Million worldwide on a $20 Million budget, with $157 Million (or more than half) of that coming from an international audience. So no. This is hardly an American-Specific phenomenon.


But I get your argument. With how much food costs under the Biden* Administration even when you're cooking everything at home, it's pure insanity these days to eat out at restaurants with the prices they need to charge to stay afloat. Even with grocery prices as high as they are in 2024, I can still eat for nearly a month on what a family of 5 is going to be set back for one single night out dining.

What's even more perplexing to me is people paying $10 or more to eat dinner at McDonalds for their processed shit that can hardly even be called food legally.

At least you're not paying to be poisoned when you go see a movie. Although I guess depending on what you're choosing to watch you might be letting them poison your mind with Leftist propaganda, which is arguably worse.

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At least you're not paying to be poisoned when you go see a movie. Although I guess depending on what you're choosing to watch you might be letting them poison your mind with Leftist propaganda, which is arguably worse.
I presume you have not seen Under the Skin. Some have tried to explain its box-office failure the same way you explain everything: Too Woke. That is not at all why this film failed to profit. I don't know why Hollywood couldn't see ahead of time that this movie would not be a crowd-pleaser and therefore not film it.

Under the Skin failed to make a profit despite universal acclaim by critics, a famous leading actress starring, and not wasting money during filming. It failed in the same way as the last scene: The stand-in for Scarlett Johansson is doused with gasoline by another alien, set on fire and the smoke rises forever while fluffy snowflakes slowly cover the camera lens, obscuring the burning alien-thing that had been Johansson. Not a crowd-pleaser in any way. Apparently, aliens are disposable and flammable same as this movie.

Under the Skin (2013)
Summary: An alien seductress (Scarlett Johansson) preys upon hitchhikers in Scotland.
Metascore 82 Universal Acclaim Based on 47 Critic Reviews
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/under-the-skin/

Production Budget: $13,300,000 (worldwide box office is 0.5 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Under-the-Skin#tab=summary

Available for FREE at
https://yts.mx/movies/under-the-skin-2013
https://tpb29.ukpass.co/search.php?q=Under+the+Skin

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Under the Skin is a 2013 science fiction film directed by Jonathan Glazer and written by Glazer and Walter Campbell, loosely based on the 2000 novel by Michel Faber. It stars Scarlett Johansson as an otherworldly woman who preys on men in Scotland. The film premiered at Telluride Film Festival on 29 August 2013. It was released in the United Kingdom on 14 March 2014, and in other territories later in the year.

Glazer developed Under the Skin for over a decade. He and Campbell pared it back from an elaborate, special effects-heavy concept to a sparse story focusing on an alien perspective on the human world. Most of the cast had no acting experience, and many scenes were filmed with hidden cameras.

Under the Skin was acclaimed for Johansson's performance, Glazer's direction, and Mica Levi's score. It received numerous accolades and awards, was named the best film of the year by various critics and publications, appeared on many best-of-the-decade lists, and was ranked 61st on the BBC's 100 Greatest Films of the 21st Century list. It was a box-office failure, grossing around US$7 million on a budget of $13.3 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Skin_(2013_film)

What was the director of Under the Skin next big project? The Zone of Interest about the Nazi commandant of Auschwitz. Another unprofitable project for obvious reasons. If you want a thematic connection between both movies, it is the theme of cremating bodies, which is not a theme that brings crowds to movie theaters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zone_of_Interest_(film)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Zone-of-Interest-The-(2023-United-Ki
ngdom)#tab=summary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:23 AM

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Or maybe it was another studio trying to put out movies that would fail for tax purposes like The Bricklayer.

Or are you just picking and choosing which movies fit that model when it suits whatever point you're trying to argue?

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Friday, January 26, 2024 12:37 PM

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We're still a little while away from a "final" update on 2023. I'm not going to update it until all the movies on the list are out of theaters for good. Even at that point, I expect the numbers to fluctuate quite a bit until around the midpoint of the year since the international numbers always bounce around. I don't know how many movies from the 2023 list are still in theaters, but I know that at least a few of them like Aquaman 2 and Wonka are, so maybe sometime in mid March?

If I decide to track 2024, I don't think I'll be starting that until about the middle of the year when there are a good deal of movies to track. I also will completely abandon the outdated 2.0x RoT and only track the 2.5x RoT industry standard.


Here's Bruce's recap of 2023:

https://www.the-numbers.com/news/256020830-2023-in-review

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If 2023 is remembered for one thing, it might be that it was the year when the studios lost control of the narrative. When the comfortable certainties of Marvel, DC, Indiana Jones, and Mission: Impossible were overtaken by the chaos Barbenheimer, Sound of Freedom, Taylor Swift and Godzilla.

2023 was brutal for the big super hero franchises, Marvel and DC, which had nine live-action films in theaters during 2023, the same number as 2022, but managed to generate a billion fewer dollars at the box office.


"Lost control of the narrative."

They certainly did.

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Monday, January 29, 2024 11:48 AM

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Wonka breaks $550 Million worldwide this weekend with a total gross of $551,828,000.

That's a profit of $239,328,000 so far for WB on this one. Nice way to round of the year there for WB, not only covering the now sub-$100 Million loss on Aquaman 2, but it will likely end up being able to cover the deep losses they're going to experience from their ill advised $100 Million "The Color Purple" remake.

The Color Purple doesn't appear to be doing very well overseas so far. It has quite a few more countries where it will be released in the coming months, but when it grosses only $579k on opening weekend in the UK, which was very likely going to be its biggest international audience, it probably won't do much overseas to save this total flop. Currently, it's made $62,204,000 worldwide on a $100 Million budget. This is a loss of $187,796,000.

Aquaman 2's current loss is $99,898,000, with some gas still left in the tank.

The current combined losses on Aquaman 2 and The Color Purple is $287,694,000, so we're looking at only dipping further into the Barbie profits by $48,366,000 if this were the end of both of their runs, as well as the end of Wonka's run.

If I were a gambling man, I'd bet that Wonka is easily going to be able to cover the losses on both of these movies in the end. Wonka still made $5.6 Million on Weekend 7 in the states with only a -16% drop from the previous weekend.

At 441% Worldwide Gross vs. the Production Budget and more money to come, Wonka is officially a huge box office hit. Though I always said it would make some money, I have to add this to the list of incorrect predictions on my part.


There's probably going to be a few less layoffs than WB expected with this nice end-of-year surprise for them.



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"It's a real shame that "The Beekeeper" isn't the righteous trash masterpiece that it keeps threatening to turn into."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beekeeper_(2024_film)#Critical_respo
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Domestic Releases: January 12th, 2024 (Wide) by MGM
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Beekeeper-The-(2024)#tab=summary

The Pirates share a free copy of The Beekeeper
https://yts.mx/movies/the-beekeeper-2024
https://psa.wf/movie/the-beekeeper-2024/



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"It's a real shame that "The Beekeeper" isn't the righteous trash masterpiece that it keeps threatening to turn into."


MGM managed to keep the budget down to a lean $34 Million.

https://netbizplanet.in/the-beekeeper-box-office/

It's already broken even at 252% of the Production Budget and anything else it makes is gravy.


Also, The Beekeeper is a 2024 release.

Might I suggest you create your own piracy thread for 2024 releases you fuckin' dirtbag.

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
"It's a real shame that "The Beekeeper" isn't the righteous trash masterpiece that it keeps threatening to turn into."


MGM managed to keep the budget down to a lean $34 Million.

https://netbizplanet.in/the-beekeeper-box-office/

It's already broken even at 252% of the Production Budget and anything else it makes is gravy.


Also, The Beekeeper is a 2024 release.

Might I suggest you create your own piracy thread for 2024 releases you fuckin' dirtbag.

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You do realize that this movie is a piece of crap, right? Maybe not because you don't realize Trump is a piece. Anybody who paid to see this, or saw it for free, wasted their money and their life. That waste, not Trump's anger at Hollywood's "wokeness," is why Hollywood should go out of business, but the waste attracts certain people like dead rotting animals attract flies. The Beekeeper is "Woke" because it has women in roles that, per Trump, are traditionally reserved for men.

https://www.moviequotesandmore.com/the-beekeeper-movie-quotes/

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by second:
"It's a real shame that "The Beekeeper" isn't the righteous trash masterpiece that it keeps threatening to turn into."


MGM managed to keep the budget down to a lean $34 Million.

https://netbizplanet.in/the-beekeeper-box-office/

It's already broken even at 252% of the Production Budget and anything else it makes is gravy.


Also, The Beekeeper is a 2024 release.

Might I suggest you create your own piracy thread for 2024 releases you fuckin' dirtbag.

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You do realize that this movie is a piece of crap, right?


I know nothing about it. Jason Statham movies don't interest me.

All I know about it is that it's made its money back and is now up $1.3 Million in profit. And the only reason for this is because MGM is capable of making a movie on a reasonable budget in the 2020s, unlike most other studios out there. Had they spent $100 Million like Lionsgate did on Expendables 4 last year, they'd be starting off 2024 with a huge deficit, and given the fact they hardly make movies anymore, that would not be good for them.

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Maybe not because you don't realize Trump is a piece. Anybody who paid to see this, or saw it for free, wasted their money and their life. That waste, not Trump's anger at Hollywood's "wokeness," is why Hollywood should go out of business, but the waste attracts certain people like dead rotting animals attract flies. The Beekeeper is "Woke" because it has women in roles that, per Trump, are traditionally reserved for men.


You see Trump hiding behind every window and under every rock.

Get some help.




And once again, this is the 2023 Hollywood thread. The Beekeeper is a 2024 movie. Create your own piracy thread for 2024.

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You see Trump hiding behind every window and under every rock.

Get some help.
Since around the time Goldwater ran for President I noticed that some of my fellow Americans had deep problems remaining married, sober, healthy, gainfully employed, and housed decently. I followed their life stories until the end . . . death. They had children and grandchildren with the same sad life stories but with a twist: they became Trumptards, which didn't make it likely they would stay married, healthy, and gainfully employed.

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So you've said.

About 10,000 times.



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So you've said.

About 10,000 times.
Tough shit for you being a Trumptard but you earned the afflictions.

Coming April 19th, 2024: The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare (2024)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_of_Ungentlemanly_Warfare

World War II, Filmed in Turkey, Nazis, Action Comedy
Source: Based on Factual Book/Article

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ministry-of-Ungentlemanly-Warfare-Th
e-(2024)#tab=summary



Based upon recently declassified files of the British War Department and inspired by true events, THE MINISTRY OF UNGENTLEMANLY WARFARE is an action-comedy that tells the story of the first-ever special forces organization formed during WWII by UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill and a small group of military officials including author Ian Fleming. The top-secret combat unit, composed of a motley crew of rogues and mavericks, goes on a daring mission against the Nazis using entirely unconventional and utterly “ungentlemanly” fighting techniques. Ultimately their audacious approach changed the course of the war and laid the foundation for the British SAS and modern Black Ops warfare.

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This is the 2023 thread dummy.

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This is the 2023 thread dummy.
This movie was a 2022 movie, then a 2023 movie, then . . . it doesn't matter because Hollywood finally decided (at the last second) to send The Tiger’s Apprentice directly to pirates for free:
https://yts.mx/movies/the-tigers-apprentice-2024

The Tiger’s Apprentice is going to TV on Paramount Plus.

Domestic Releases: January 19th, 2024 (Canceled) by Paramount Pictures
International Releases: December 21st, 2023 (Canceled) (Italy)
January 11th, 2024 (Canceled) (Australia)
January 11th, 2024 (Canceled) (New Zealand)
January 18th, 2024 (Canceled), released as O APRENDIZ DO TIGRE (Brazil)
January 19th, 2024 (Canceled) (South Africa)

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Tigers-Apprentice-The-(2024)#tab=sum
mary

It started out as a live-action/CG hybrid television film adaptation of the novel in the late 2000s, but it never came to fruition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tiger%27s_Apprentice_(2024_film)#Dev
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Rated 55 out of 100 at https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-tigers-apprentice/

89% Audience Score / 50% Critics Score at https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_tigers_apprentice



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They can't all be Paw Patrol.

Hopefully Paramount didn't spend Peter Pan and Wendy money on that.



Nope....

https://slashpage.com/tiger-apprentice-full-movie?lang=en

$70 Million vs Disney's loss of $170 Million.

They probably should have ate that cost last year since they already lost nearly $600 Million in 2023.



https://filmyap.substack.com/p/the-tigers-apprentice

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The animation is decent, with a very sharp, detailed look that still retains a certain cartoon-y aesthetic. Similarly the voice work is emotive and engaging, and includes some “name” actors including Lucy Liu, Sandra Oh, Henry Golding and Michelle Yeoh.

Unfortunately, the storytelling doesn’t have the same level of polish.

Directed by Raman Hui from a screenplay by David Magee and Christopher Yost (based on the novel by Laurence Yep), it’s a fast-paced, slapdash and often confusing affair that will probably leave anyone older than kindergarten age underwhelmed.

If you don’t include the credits bonus scene, the movie comes in around 73 minutes. It feels like it either needs to be much shorter or longer.



Why don't they go back to good storytelling instead of making identity the only selling point?

I'd watch Spirited Away for the 5th time, or rewatch any single production from Studio Ghibli I've already seen or delve even deeper into their catalog of things I haven't seen before I spent 1 minute watching The Tiger's Apprentice.



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Nope....

https://slashpage.com/tiger-apprentice-full-movie?lang=en

$70 Million vs Disney's loss of $170 Million.

They probably should have ate that cost last year since they lost nearly $600 Million in 2023.
From that same page, here is a sentence that does NOT make sense:
"Warner Bros. is continuing to beat out Warner Bros. and Warner Bros,, over the New Year’s holiday weekend, with “Tiger's Apprentice (2024) ” now rising above “Tiger's Apprentice (2024) ” and “Tiger's Apprentice (2024) .”"

I think that page was written by an A.I., one that makes up fake numbers to fill in blank spaces such as $70 Million for the cost of making The Tiger's Apprentice.

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I only cited it because it had the production budget listed. It very well may be completely made up. I can't seem to find anybody else who is listing the costs. I'd say it cost at least $70 Million since they're hiding that figure now that it released on streaming only.

The article probably was written by A.I. A large amount of the so-called "movie critics" that have been mindlessly shilling for Disney for years now are already out of their jobs with more layoffs to come. Nobody is taking any of them seriously anymore, and they know it because the ones who haven't been fired yet have all turned on Disney and identity politics so A.I. doesn't come and take their jobs too.



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The Iron Claw arrived in theaters Dec 22, 2023 in the US, and Dec 21 in Germany.

It has finally arrived at the Pirates. Only 54 days between Dec 21, 2023 – Feb 13, 2024
https://psa.wf/movie/the-iron-claw-2023/
https://yts.mx/movies/the-iron-claw-2023

Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office $35,302,251
International Box Office $2,972,368
Worldwide Box Office $38,274,619

Production Budget: $15,900,000 (worldwide box office is 2.4 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Iron-Claw-The-(2023)#tab=summary

Too bad about the low ticket sales for a well-reviewed movie.
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-iron-claw/
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_iron_claw_2023 94% audience score

Main character is Zac Efron, who played young Simon Tam, which connects Firefly to the movie.



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Only needs less than $1.5 Million to break even. Probably not going to get it though.

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The most Hollywoodish movie I ever saw, when it was new in 1962, was Lawrence of Arabia.

Domestic Share: 53.6% (domestic box office/worldwide)
Production Budget: $15,000,000 (worldwide box office is 4.7 times production budget)

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/lawrence-of-arabia-re-release/ rated 100%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lawrence_of_arabia rated 94%
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Lawrence-of-Arabia#tab=summary

It is about time that Hollywood makes a Lawrence of Arabia sequel: Lawrence after Arabia.

I was surprised to learn Hollywood made the sequel not once but twice:
1) https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a_dangerous_man_lawrence_after_arabia

2) https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lawrence_after_arabia

Funny, but neither made any money because one of the sequels was not released to theaters.
https://www.the-numbers.com/custom-search?searchterm=Lawrence+After+Ar
abia&searchtype=simple

There are no featured reviews for A Dangerous Man: Lawrence After Arabia because the movie has not been released yet to theaters.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a_dangerous_man_lawrence_after_arabia

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Maybe you should make a Hollywood 1962 thread?

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BTW... Universal's Migration has moved way up the list now with $175 Million in the bank and is just $5 Million short of breaking even on its $72 Million budget, which it will easily do by the end of the weekend.


Migration is the little movie that could.

I haven't been paying much attention to the 2023 movies that are still in the box office since I decided I wouldn't update the numbers on this thread until they were all out of the theater.

It took 3rd place on Monday behind Bob Marley and Madame Web and above Argylle and Wonka.

It's added another $80 Million to its global total in the last 33 days since I made that post above.

A nice little profit of $75 Million extra for Universal's 2023 total right there, which is great for them considering that it opened in the US with only $12.3 Million, which was the worst Illumination Entertainment box office out of its 14 movies. It had a really staggered global schedule, and it only opened in 13 markets outside of the US that weekend, adding only another $6.5 Million for a grand total of $18.8 Million on opening weekend.

$18.8 Million compared to its $72 Million production budget was only 26%. I don't have all the data in front of me right now, but I don't even need to in order to say that this the record in 2023 for a comeback on a movie. I'm pretty sure that there wasn't another movie in 2023 that earned less than 70 to 80% of its budget on opening weekend that ended up breaking even. And not only did it eventually do that but it's still hitting number 3 in the box office several months later and it's now grossed 356% of its production budget.

Congrats again to 2023 Universal.

2024 Universal needs to get its shit together quick.

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Mean Girls, the #1 Movie in US (#5 in World)
is now available for free from the Pirates. How can Hollywood compete with free?

https://yts.mx/movies/mean-girls-2024
https://psa.wf/movie/mean-girls-2024/
https://tpb30.ukpass.co/search.php?q=Mean+Girls+2024

Top 2024 Movies at the Domestic Box Office

1 Mean Girls $71,310,000
2 The Beekeeper $60,489,000
3 Bob Marley: One Love $52,001,000
4 Argylle $37,498,000
5 Night Swim $31,338,000
6 Madame Web $26,205,000

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/cum
ulative/released-in-2024

Top 2024 Movies at the Worldwide Box Office

1 YOLO (Chinese) $214,828,929
2 Pegasus 2 (Chinese) $189,765,167
3 The Beekeeper $120,487,241
4 Boonie Bears: Time Twist (Chinese) $111,344,798
5 Mean Girls $99,630,438
6 Article 20 (Chinese) $87,005,102
7 Bob Marley: One Love $80,943,382
8 Argylle $77,517,000
9 Madame Web $51,905,000
10 Night Swim $48,069,896
11 Kholop 2 (Russian) $42,234,849
12 Lin Shi' Jie An (Chinese) $32,816,388

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/cu
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BTW... Universal's Migration has moved way up the list now with $175 Million in the bank and is just $5 Million short of breaking even on its $72 Million budget, which it will easily do by the end of the weekend.


Migration is the little movie that could.

I haven't been paying much attention to the 2023 movies that are still in the box office since I decided I wouldn't update the numbers on this thread until they were all out of the theater.

It took 3rd place on Monday behind Bob Marley and Madame Web and above Argylle and Wonka.
The Pirates are giving away free copies of Migration:
https://yts.mx/movies/migration-2023
https://psa.wf/movie/migration-2023/
https://tpb30.ukpass.co/search.php?q=Migration+2023

Free copies of Wonka, too!
https://psa.wf/movie/wonka-2023/
https://yts.mx/movies/wonka-2023
https://tpb30.ukpass.co/search.php?q=Wonka+2023

How does Hollywood stay in business when the competition's price is Free?

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Quote:
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Mean Girls, the #1 Movie in US (#5 in World)
is now available for free from the Pirates. How can Hollywood compete with free?


No. It's not the number one movie in the world.

It's been in 11th place in the box office since Thursday of last week. It was 10th place on Valentine's Day.

It has currently grossed $100 Million on a $36 Million budget, or 278% of the budget. Currently it has made $10 Million for Paramount Pictures.

Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (January 17th):

BTW... Universal's Migration has moved way up the list now with $175 Million in the bank and is just $5 Million short of breaking even on its $72 Million budget, which it will easily do by the end of the weekend.


Migration is the little movie that could.

I haven't been paying much attention to the 2023 movies that are still in the box office since I decided I wouldn't update the numbers on this thread until they were all out of the theater.

It took 3rd place on Monday behind Bob Marley and Madame Web and above Argylle and Wonka.
The Pirates are giving away free copies of Migration:

Free copies of Wonka, too!

How does Hollywood stay in business when the competition's price is Free?



Apparently it's not to difficult for them when the movie is worth watching.

As stated before (and not what you quoted), Migration has come from a very poor opening weekend of only 26% worldwide and now has made 356% of its production budget, which is a profit of $75 Million on its 60th day in the theaters for Universal. It's still doing well enough 60 days from release to be taking 3rd place in the box office, only behind the two large releases last weekend. Most of the time it's been making this money was long after the pirates released it for free.

Wonka has made $605 Million on a $125 Million budget, or 484% of its production budget and a $292.5 Million profit for Warner Bros. during its 67 day run in the box office.


But thanks yet again for making my point for me.

Hollywood just needs to make good movies and stop making movies for you Lefty Communist weirdos on Twitter that screech the loudest and never actually pay to see any of the movies that they cave and make for you.



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Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:40 AM

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BTW... Universal's Migration has moved way up the list now with $175 Million in the bank and is just $5 Million short of breaking even on its $72 Million budget, which it will easily do by the end of the weekend.



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Migration is the little movie that could.

I haven't been paying much attention to the 2023 movies that are still in the box office since I decided I wouldn't update the numbers on this thread until they were all out of the theater.

It took 3rd place on Monday behind Bob Marley and Madame Web and above Argylle and Wonka.

It's added another $80 Million to its global total in the last 33 days since I made that post above.

A nice little profit of $75 Million extra for Universal's 2023 total right there, which is great for them considering that it opened in the US with only $12.3 Million, which was the worst Illumination Entertainment box office out of its 14 movies. It had a really staggered global schedule, and it only opened in 13 markets outside of the US that weekend, adding only another $6.5 Million for a grand total of $18.8 Million on opening weekend.

$18.8 Million compared to its $72 Million production budget was only 26%. I don't have all the data in front of me right now, but I don't even need to in order to say that this the record in 2023 for a comeback on a movie. I'm pretty sure that there wasn't another movie in 2023 that earned less than 70 to 80% of its budget on opening weekend that ended up breaking even. And not only did it eventually do that but it's still hitting number 3 in the box office several months later and it's now grossed 356% of its production budget.

Congrats again to 2023 Universal.

2024 Universal needs to get its shit together quick.


Migration is now just over $200k shy of $270 Million worldwide. If it doesn't make that tonight, it will on Friday.

That's now 375% of its $72 Million budget.

I do believe that when I finalize the 2023 numbers that Migration will be the comeback movie of the year after its abysmal opening weekend.



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"The biggest screens show the biggest blockbusters, and the smaller screens show other films. What has been happening is they show the same shit on all the screens. I think that will change. I'm positive."

By Zack Sharf | Mar 1, 2024, 2:52pm PT

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The "Dune" movies are the latest Hollywood tentpoles starring Skarsgåard, who appeared in several Marvel movies as "Dr. Erik Selvig." His most recent MCU appearance was in 2022's "Thor: Love and Thunder." When asked about recent Marvel box office disappointments and if he thinks movies like "Dune" and "Oppenheimer" mean creativity is being restored in the big budget movie, the actor answered: "I do, in a way."

"Those films you named made a lot of money, so it makes the studio heads courageous," Skarsgåard said. "But it only takes one flop to make them scared again. The thing is, it takes a lot of talent to make an ‘Oppenheimer' or a ‘Dune,' and we can't produce that much talent enough to have 100 releases like that each year. But I think the cinema will survive."

"They will go back to how the multiplex was intended to be," he added. "The biggest screens show the biggest blockbusters, and the smaller screens show other films. What has been happening is they show the same shit on all the screens. I think that will change. I'm positive."

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I'm in full agreement with him. That is a good article.


I'd also add that budgets need to come down by a huge margin. All we hear about is how the Hollywood Actor isn't a thing anymore, so there is no reason any of them should be making $10 Million or $20 Million or $50 Million to star in a movie when that means the movie needs to make $25 Million to $125 Million more just to break even on their salary.


I'd suggest points on the back end. I know Hollywood doesn't want to do that because they want to own everything, but the quality of cinema will increase drastically if they were to incentivize residuals for a job well done. (Not just the actors, but EVERYONE involved). Even if it is a temporary thing that fizzles out after a few years of streaming and the rights revert back to the studios as they always do. But no more of this tens of millions of dollars shit for any actors up front.

You make a good movie that people want to see, you get paid. If you make crap that nobody wants to see, time to find a different career path. Easy peasy.


Also, we have such a huge library of great movies from the past that has been accumulated, we should be seeing more of them in the theaters again. I'm glad to see that this has started to be a thing post-Covid lockdowns, but it should be much more regular.

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I'm in full agreement with him. That is a good article.


I'd also add that budgets need to come down by a huge margin. All we hear about is how the Hollywood Actor isn't a thing anymore, so there is no reason any of them should be making $10 Million or $20 Million or $50 Million to star in a movie when that means the movie needs to make $25 Million to $125 Million more just to break even on their salary.
The correct budget for many movies would be zero. Most movies should not be made. The best recent example is Killers of the Flower Moon.

Production Budget: $200,000,000 (worldwide box office is 0.8 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Killers-of-the-Flower-Moon-(2023)#ta
b=summary

Killers started with one script, which was scrapped and then rewritten for Leonardo DiCaprio to move from the star's expanded role in the first script to the star's newly expanded role in the second script so that he remains the star. His pay stays the same: $30 million. Killers should have remained as only a book, not a movie. The fundamental idea behind the true story is mass murder for money and how slow the FBI is to convict obvious criminals who are piling up bigger and bigger heaps of money, one murder after another. A better movie would be one where the real story was rewritten for the victims to bypass the FBI and, instead, shoot DiCaprio and Robert De Niro in the head. That is a murder movie that would be profitable and far cheaper to film.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killers_of_the_Flower_Moon_%28film%29#Wr
iting

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm in full agreement with him. That is a good article.


I'd also add that budgets need to come down by a huge margin. All we hear about is how the Hollywood Actor isn't a thing anymore, so there is no reason any of them should be making $10 Million or $20 Million or $50 Million to star in a movie when that means the movie needs to make $25 Million to $125 Million more just to break even on their salary.
The correct budget for many movies would be zero. Most movies should not be made.


That's too oversimplified though. A lot of those movies were made before, but on shoestring budgets. Some of them even ended up being quite good because of the passion behind the project.

I'm glad to see that smaller companies are making good indie flicks again. Everything, Everywhere All At Once was made by A24 for only $25 Million and it was quite enjoyable. And I'll never miss an opportunity to plug 2009's Ink. That movie was written by a guy you never heard of, produced by him and his wife who you've also never heard of and starred a bunch of people you never heard of. It only cost $250,000 to make, which was 1/100th of the cost of EEaaO, and in my opinion it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.

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The best recent example is Killers of the Flower Moon.

Production Budget: $200,000,000 (worldwide box office is 0.8 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Killers-of-the-Flower-Moon-(2023)#ta
b=summary

Killers started with one script, which was scrapped and then rewritten for Leonardo DiCaprio to move from the star's expanded role in the first script to the star's newly expanded role in the second script so that he remains the star. His pay stays the same: $30 million. Killers should have remained as only a book, not a movie. The fundamental idea behind the true story is mass murder for money and how slow the FBI is to convict obvious criminals who are piling up bigger and bigger heaps of money, one murder after another. A better movie would be one where the real story was rewritten for the victims to bypass the FBI and, instead, shoot DiCaprio and Robert De Niro in the head. That is a murder movie that would be profitable and far cheaper to film.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killers_of_the_Flower_Moon_%28film%29#Wr
iting
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To this day, nobody knows where $200 Million went.

It's a great example, but it's not the most recent example. Argylle cost the same $200 Million to make and it's extremely likely it doesn't crack $100 Million worldwide. Killers at least managed to gross $156 Million. I believe The Marvels lost more money for Disney too because of its budget of at least $275 Million.

None of these movies should have cost more than $50 Million to make. One of them still would have lost the studio money, but the other two would have at least made some profit.

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To this day, nobody knows where $200 Million went.
The money went into a thief's pocket for a movie that should not have been made.

The same people who made Murders of the Flower Moon also made The Irishman with Robert De Niro, but his presence inflated the Production Budget to $159,000,000 (worldwide box office is 0.0 times production budget)
Worldwide Box Office $914,706
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Irishman-The-(2019)#tab=summary

The gigantic budget was wasted on thieves to de-age De Niro. How else can Hollywood people afford to live as they do? They have to steal the money and, because it requires billions per year to maintain their lifestyle, they have to do it by making numerous movies (with at least half the budget stolen) that should never have been made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irishman#Visual_effects

If I sound bitter about Hollywood, it is not because of Hollywood's politics. It is because I read several of the books from the article The 125 Best Books About Hollywood

Grit, glamour, scandal! These remarkable memoirs, biographies, and histories take us inside Tinseltown, warts and all.
Alex Belth | Mar 25, 2022
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/g39111994/best-books-about
-hollywood/

Hollywood has always been a crappy place to do business because most of the artists have no talent for telling stories and most of the executives are thieves. It's greed all the time behind the scenes of most movies. Bad motivation almost inevitably must produce a bad product.

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When food is bad, I know from the first bite.
With a movie, I must endure the whole thing in case it redeems itself at the end.
So, we demand a monetary refund, plus two hours of life.

https://www.gocomics.com/fminus/2024/03/16

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When food is bad, I know from the first bite.
With a movie, I must endure the whole thing in case it redeems itself at the end.
So, we demand a monetary refund, plus two hours of life.

https://www.gocomics.com/fminus/2024/03/16

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


This sounds like audience reviews for Amazing Magical Club of Extraordinary Black Folk.


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Give me back the two hours of my life I just lost. What did I just watch?

I wish I could get my time and money back.

Failing in reverse. I think there's more intelligence on The View than in this entire production.

The amount of watermelon, basketball, and cocoa butter jokes in this movie made me uncomfortable. I love our culture but this was just bad taste

A satirical comedy that completely misses the point. Jordan Peele made this film already in "Get Out" and that was an excellent product. This is simply a waste of time in virtually every category imaginable.

Both me and my husband are African Americans. This movie made absolutely no sense. It was definitely not funny. A total waste of our money. We left after 30 minutes couldn't take it anymore.


Good on that last black couple for walking out after 30 minutes. I hope they got their money back.


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is 2024 another bad year for Hollywood

yes ok the Hollywood blockbuster may take and keep the number 1 spot but so many of the rest of the Top Ten seem to be Chinese, indie Euro indie, HongKong, South Korea tv, Japan cartoon movies...it might be all starting to truly crash down?

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is 2024 another bad year for Hollywood

yes ok the Hollywood blockbuster may take and keep the number 1 spot but so many of the rest of the Top Ten seem to be Chinese, indie Euro indie, HongKong, South Korea tv, Japan cartoon movies...it might be all starting to truly crash down?


I can't really say. I never really started tracking the box office as a whole until last year. And if memory serves, it was a bit later in the year than where we're at in 2024 today. I do remember at the time making remarks about how surprised I was that so many Chinese movies were in the Top 100, but at that point I don't think there were more than a handful of them in the Top 20.

Right now, there is only 40 movies on Bruce's Top 100 list for 2024. That seems particularly low to me 3.5 months into the year, especially when it looks as though 13 of them are Chinese. 4 of them are Russian or some other Cyrillic using nation. And without going deep into detail on all the movies, of the movies that don't have parenthesis with Chinese or Cyrillic text after the title, I know for sure that at least one movie is from South Korea. It's #40 on the list, Alienoid: The Return to the Future.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/cu
mulative/released-in-2024

I think that this is one part fallout from the Writer's and Actor's strikes, and I think it's one part a lot less movies are being made right now after the Writers/Actors got their way.

Hollywood as a whole just doesn't have the volume of movies to put in the theaters that it usually has this time of year. I mean, look at the 9th place movie over the weekend. It was Shrek 2, with $1.35 Million, which was shown in over 1,500 theaters.


I have little doubt that by the end of the year the US won't have the Top 10 movies in 2024. We're far enough into the year where I think YOLO showed us what China is capable of maxing out at for the year when it has very little avenues for showing its movies outside of its borders, and probably just as equally little outside interest.

If I'm wrong about this and Hollywood can't manage to put out 8 more flicks in 2024 that can gross over half a Billion, then yeah.... Hollywood probably is in trouble.

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I'm currently in the process of giving the 2023 list an update. The first since January 4th of this year.

I'm about 20 movies deep into the list, and there have been 3 movies that had an adjusted production budget so far. 16 out of 20 movies have had a change in the final worldwide box office numbers.

The only major shift so far has been that Oppenheimer raises to 7 on the list and Barbie falls to 8th place because The-Numbers now reports that the production budget was $151 Million instead of $145 Million, and that was enough to make the two swap places based off the Budget/WW Gross ratio.

It should get more interesting once I start getting to the Disney movies, but they were all so low on the list in 2023 that I haven't got to one of them yet.



Not sure when I'll get around to the painstaking process of updating the list here in the original thread, but I'll make another post here when I've gotten around to changing it.


This will be my last update for the 2023 movies. At this point, I don't care if some numbers change a little bit here and there. I think I've given them plenty of time to get their shit together 7 months after 2023 was over. I'm just not going to spend the next 2 years making tiny edits to the final Worldwide Box Office numbers.


I'm not sure when I'll get around making 2024 charts. I'm not in any big hurry simply because of how much time and effort it takes constantly updating them as the year goes on and new movies come out. Maybe I'll do the first one in December.

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I have no desire to work on updating anything on this site now, but there's a few interesting things to note now that my spreadsheets for 2023 are done...

Disney did not lose as much as I thought they did. As of the January 4th update, they were down only $1.5 Billion and change. Even though Wish and The Marvels were major flops, they both did bring in a few hundred million combined before New Years and I'd forgotten about that.

However, my list only had the original $300 Million budget for Indy 5. I know that budget was raised to something like $360 at some point, but I'd never updated that. It gets even worse now, because if you look at The-Numbers the budget for Indy 5 was a staggering $402.5 Million!!!! (I could be wrong, but I think that has to be the record for the most expensive movie ever made).

That movie alone, lost over $611 Million for Disney.

But both The Marvels and especially Wish did make more money after new years, so when all of that is factored in together Disney "only" lost slightly over $1.7 Billion in 2023.

As far as other Disney movies having higher budgets, I've heard people say it over the last year, but according to the-numbers Indy 5 was the only one that changed. I go by what The-Numbers says above any source in my records, so until Bruce changes any of that, those budgets for The Marvels and The Little Mermaid remain unchanged from last update.



The most interesting change in my opinion?

Sydney Sweeny's rom-com "Anyone But You" which was released on December 23rd, 2023 had a run all the way until April 18th, 2024. On a paltry $25 Million budget, it ended up grossing $219,589,175 worldwide. I don't have the chart up in front of me right now, but this was something in the area of 815% of the production budget and propelled it from 47th place on January 4th to 9th place for the entire year. And since Barbie was knocked down to 8th place, that means it was almost as successful as Barbie was on the Production Budget vs. Worldwide Gross chart. It came in above Saw X which took 10th place.

Honestly, I'd forgotten this movie even existed and I don't think I gave it another thought after adding it as one of the last few NEW movies on the 2023 list on my January 4th update.

No wonder Sydney Sweeny wasn't sweating the Madame Web losses and was going on shows like SNL to make fun of it. At the same time that she was taking a back seat in one of the largest flops of 2024, she was was the co-lead in one of the biggest success stories in 2023.

Madame Web came out nearly 2 months after Anyone But You, and both ended their theater runs on the same day, April 18th.

Amazing what happens when you put a body like that in a bikini instead of covering it up in a Girl Power trash flick run by a bunch of "weird" lesbian man hating cat ladies.





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Again, I haven't done any figuring for 2024 movies yet I'm writing this, but without even doing the math on current year movies, I believe that Anyone But You would have been the highest movie on the list in 2024 when it comes to Production Budget vs. Worldwide Gross. The closest right now, I believe, would be the $1.5 Billion Inside Out 2 which currently sits just a little above 750% of its $200 Million production budget. Despicable Me 4 is at 687% of its $100 Million budget. Time will tell how much Deadpool & Wolverine makes above its $200 Million budget.

It really is a shame it was released in late December instead of early January since 90% of its run was in early 2024.

As it is now, based just on worldwide gross alone, had this movie come out two weeks later and been counted as a 2024 release, it would be the 17th highest grossing movie of the year, including the 5 Chinese movies that would be above it. Last year it ended up 35 on that list.

There are only 2 non-Chinese movies that rank higher for Worldwide Gross that cost less than $100 Million to make. Garfield ($60 Million) and A Quiet Place: Day One ($67 Million). And they've only made in the area of 300% to 400% of their production budgets. The other 9 non-Chinese movies that rank higher on the list currently all cost anywhere from $100 Million to $200 Million to make, or anywhere from 4 to 8 times what Anyone But You cost.

That's extraordinary for a Rom-Com, especially since that genre has fallen so deeply out of favor in recent years. The only other Rom-Com I'm aware of that came out in 2023 was Jennifer Lawrence's movie No Hard Feelings, which made $83,453,541 worldwide on a $45 Million budget. It took 79th place last year on the Top 100 list Worldwide and lost over $29 Million for Sony Pictures.

In celebration of this feat, here's another picture of the blonde goddess' assets that the weird lesbian man-hating cat ladies who made Madame Web were trying to hide from the world.



You go girl.





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