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Godzilla: King of the Monsters

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Friday, March 8, 2019 9:20 PM

AURAPTOR

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Putting this above all others as my 'want to see ' category. Been looking forward and getting updates as best I can, primarily on the YouTubes channels. Great stuff, btw.

However, also been looking back at the 2014 movie. Minor things I picked up, from multiple viewings and some things don't make sense.

Early on, young Ford Brody is making a birthday sign for his dad. On Ford's bedroom wall, is a poster. It's a poster of 2 kaiju fighting. They look extremely similar to Godzilla and a MUTO. What's up w/ that ?

Oh, and Ford's mother, Elle, tells the elder Brody that Ford made a sign for him, but then he acts all surprised that she tells him it's his birthday, AFTER the discussion where she says she'll go pick up a cake on her way home from work.

After the brief skirmish between the flying Muto and Godzilla in Hawaii, we see the US navy 'tracking' Godzilla as he follows the MUTO. US carrier and other ships are literally right next to Godzilla as he swims. He's not bothering them, and all across the Pacific, they don't shoot him. And yet, the US military puts tanks on the Golden Gate bridge, which is loaded w/ civilians.. how is this even possible ? They've known where Godzilla was , all the way from Hawaii to S.F. tracking him , and yet the army acts all surprised and defensive, as he approaches the city ?

How did the female MUTO escape all detection until the folks at Monarch figure out there ' might 'be a problem in Vegas. And then voila ! There she is, 300 ft tall, having just popped out of the nuclear storage facility , which was in direct eye sight of Las Vegas, in broad day light. No hint of a problem before that though, huh ?

I hope they don't make these sort of faux pas in the upcoming movie. I guess we're expected to overlook such things in origin movies.


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Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:50 PM

AURAPTOR

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Seriously ? No one is commenting on this yet ? I'm at a loss for words.

OK, I get it. Kaiju movies not for everyone. I don't like Transformers, so there's that. But this... this is next level stuff.

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Just curious as to how we expect Godzilla to suruvive this massive Titan cage match, where he beats / is the last one standing - Ghidorah, but then somehow we're expected to believe Kong would have any chance ? Maybe they'll not actually ' fight ' each other this time ? Unless it's RIGHT after , and Godzilla isn't recovered, but that'd just be bad writing. Anyway …




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Monday, April 1, 2019 12:18 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I liked Transformers, but have not really followed this. You seem to have a lot invested, and I am unlikely to disagree with your guidance on this subject. Many others viewing this thread may be in the same boat.
This comes out 31 May.
Not sure of the point in your Spoiler bit. Could the primate be assumed able to outsmart lizards and whatever other things there are?

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Monday, April 1, 2019 2:47 AM

AURAPTOR

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Godzilla and kaiju of its universe are Toho studios property. Toho loaned those rights to Legendary, which is making 4 movies...

Kong-Skull Island
Godzilla 2014
Godzilla KotM
Godzilla vs Kong ( 2020 )

And yes, Kong is a Universal creation, but w/ it's interjection into the kaiju verse, it essentially is Toho. I suppose it ' could' be a stand alone character, for future movies, if there are no signed deals and it doesn't tangle w/ Toho specific critters, but there's also the matter of Monarch, the scientific group that keeps track of the monsters. That as well belongs to Toho.

Some have speculated that KOTM is a set up for future kaiju, to be used by Legendary, if no further rights to Godzilla etc...are forthcoming.


Also, Toho plans it's own monster verse movies, aside from what's been put out by Legendary, so … take that into consideration as well.

Simple, huh?

Truth is, this could go several different ways.

I must note the title of the last movie. Where as 1962 was ' Kong vs Godzilla ', and Kong was the accepted winner by most , the 2020 title has the names flipped.

Does this indicate Godzilla wins in the rematch ?


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Monday, April 1, 2019 8:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I just couldn't get into the old ones when I was a kid. Dunno why. I loved the Nintendo game Godzilla, just didn't like the movies.

Then there was that horrible Matthew Broderick movie in the late 90's or early 2000's that probably turned a whole bunch of people off to it in America.


How was the new one from a few years back?

How does it compare to Cloverfield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 1, 2019 10:53 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I saw Rodan on tv when I was a kid back in the 60's, and for me it has remained all these years as my favorite Japanese monster movie.

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Monday, April 1, 2019 2:17 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


How was the new one from a few years back?

How does it compare to Cloverfield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Godzilla 2014 was more in line w/ the original , though not as directly menacing to mankind.

After the 1st one came out, back in 1954, they started camping up the monsters, basically making them more ' kid friendly ', like happened in Star Wars, and the Ewoks.

Cloverfield was decent, but they by far and away over did the ' shaky ' crap. I know that was supposed to be the style, but I didn't care for it.


Legendary is the same studio for Cloverfield, Pacific Rim and Godzilla. Kinda thought we'd see a cross over , but it doesn't look like it now.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2019 12:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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How was the new one from a few years back?

How does it compare to Cloverfield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Godzilla 2014 was more in line w/ the original , though not as directly menacing to mankind.

After the 1st one came out, back in 1954, they started camping up the monsters, basically making them more ' kid friendly ', like happened in Star Wars, and the Ewoks.

Cloverfield was decent, but they by far and away over did the ' shaky ' crap. I know that was supposed to be the style, but I didn't care for it.


Legendary is the same studio for Cloverfield, Pacific Rim and Godzilla. Kinda thought we'd see a cross over , but it doesn't look like it now.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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I actually really liked Cloverfield, and the shaky cam didn't bother me. Generally though, I agree with you and I don't like the style. I think it's far too overdone now, and I think there's something about getting older that makes it unpalatable to sit through. I was only in my mid to late 20's when I saw it.

Really, I don't like the cinematography for most action flicks these days. Transformers was horrible. The bits and pieces I saw of the last Die Hard movie from reviews I've watched were horrible. There's just so much crap happening all at once and such weird editing done that you can't even follow along with what is actually happening. Maybe actually caring about what is happening would make you try harder, but honestly, there was nothing offered in any of the Transformers movies I saw that made me care enough to bother trying.



A Godzilla and Cloverfield crossover would be cool someday. But you'd have to really build the universes first before that happened, I think. As big as Godzilla is, he's dwarfed by the Cloverfield monsters. I know there were historically instances where Godzilla and a few of the other monsters were actually protagonists against other monsters. It would have to end up being some kind of team effort of Godzilla monsters and mankind against the nebulous Cloverfield menace for it to make any sense. I think Godzilla alone would just get crushed.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, April 2, 2019 1:52 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Wasn't the shaky cam pioneered on Firefly, helping win Special Effects Emmy for 2002? Helping kick off Zoic Studios?

I try to not be too bothered by those copying Firefly.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2019 9:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I'd thought about repeating the hype I remember surrounding Cloverfield for it, but then I remembered that it wasn't the first time it was used. Firefly wouldn't be either. I'm not sure if the Blair Witch Project was, but it predates both of them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, April 2, 2019 9:59 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


A Godzilla and Cloverfield crossover would be cool someday. But you'd have to really build the universes first before that happened, I think. As big as Godzilla is, he's dwarfed by the Cloverfield monsters. I know there were historically instances where Godzilla and a few of the other monsters were actually protagonists against other monsters. It would have to end up being some kind of team effort of Godzilla monsters and mankind against the nebulous Cloverfield menace for it to make any sense. I think Godzilla alone would just get crushed.



Do Right, Be Right. :)



Well, from the 1st Cloverfield movie, Godzilla wouldn't have much of a problem. Cloverfield is roughly the same as the female MUTO, and Godzilla tossed her around like a ragdoll. Now, with the other Netflix versions, I guess it gets debatable.

I had an idea where Godzilla could appear in the Pacific Rim 'verse, get misidentified as a alien Kaiju, but then the humans would come to their senses and see he's on their side, as a protector of the Earth.


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The basic synopsis of my Pacific Rim / Godzilla cross over goes like this...

Rift opens up. 1, then 2 monsters emerge. Alerts are sent out, Jaeger teams assembled, and are quickly on their way to face the threat, head on.

Jaegers are on the scene, kaiju are being tracked. 1, 2, … wait, what's that ? A 3rd signal, very big, but moving fast.. how come we didn't get the alert from the breech ? Never mind, time to fight !

The original 2 kaiju begin to engage the jaegers. One lands a massive blow, knocking a jaeger off balance. Everyone waits for the other kaiju to engage...

Nothing happens.

Even the first kaiju takes a moment, turns, and wonders what's keeping his partner.

The partner will never come.

The water boils, and then we see the head of the other kaiju break the surface. But only the head. It rises up, but ..., something is immediately wrong. Instead of where a body should be, the massive arm of … something else, holding the now severed head.

They soon see to what the arm belongs … it's the arm of Godzilla , and he's looking for more heads to take !

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Tuesday, April 2, 2019 4:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I don't know anything about Pacific Rim. Was that any good?


I think the problem with Godzilla vs the Netflix Cloverfield movies would be different depending on the movie. In 10 Cloverfield Lane, I get the feeling he'd be outnumbered about a million to 1. Really, the only scene I've seen from Paradox was the final scene where the monster looks to be around 20 to 50 times larger than Godzilla.

Even in the original Cloverfield, who knows how that would go. We really didn't get much of an idea of what was happening, from the limited perspective of the found footage. If I remember right, there were two or possibly three giant monsters that we were aware of, but there were also an unknown amount of those smaller ones that we knew little about. Were they just parasites of the larger monsters? Were they offspring that would eventually grow to be the size of the giants?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, April 2, 2019 7:08 PM

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I don't know anything about Pacific Rim. Was that any good?


I think the problem with Godzilla vs the Netflix Cloverfield movies would be different depending on the movie. In 10 Cloverfield Lane, I get the feeling he'd be outnumbered about a million to 1. Really, the only scene I've seen from Paradox was the final scene where the monster looks to be around 20 to 50 times larger than Godzilla.

Even in the original Cloverfield, who knows how that would go. We really didn't get much of an idea of what was happening, from the limited perspective of the found footage. If I remember right, there were two or possibly three giant monsters that we were aware of, but there were also an unknown amount of those smaller ones that we knew little about. Were they just parasites of the larger monsters? Were they offspring that would eventually grow to be the size of the giants?

Do Right, Be Right. :)



I didn't expect much from Pacific Rim, but eventually saw it, and was presently surprised.

Don't get me wrong, it still a bit cheesy and all, but it was also cleverly done.

Plus... Idris Elba. Nuff said.

As for G v C, I was only aware of one main Cloverfield monster, that tore up NYC. The little hatchlings or what ever, would be inconsequential.

In the Nexflix Paradox version, the one giant Cloverfield could be deceptive. We simply don't know how big it is, on what it's standing... but did you see the animated Godzilla on Netflix ? Godzilla Earth ?

There are many YouTubers who have waded into this discussion. Here's one.



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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 2:21 AM

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Ok, I just saw the trailer you posted, and although I'm not a fan of these movies, it looks interesting.


SGG


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Seriously ? No one is commenting on this yet ? I'm at a loss for words.

OK, I get it. Kaiju movies not for everyone. I don't like Transformers, so there's that. But this... this is next level stuff.

Select to view spoiler:


Just curious as to how we expect Godzilla to suruvive this massive Titan cage match, where he beats / is the last one standing - Ghidorah, but then somehow we're expected to believe Kong would have any chance ? Maybe they'll not actually ' fight ' each other this time ? Unless it's RIGHT after , and Godzilla isn't recovered, but that'd just be bad writing. Anyway …





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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 6:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I didn't expect much from Pacific Rim, but eventually saw it, and was presently surprised.

Don't get me wrong, it still a bit cheesy and all, but it was also cleverly done.

Plus... Idris Elba. Nuff said.

As for G v C, I was only aware of one main Cloverfield monster, that tore up NYC. The little hatchlings or what ever, would be inconsequential.

In the Nexflix Paradox version, the one giant Cloverfield could be deceptive. We simply don't know how big it is, on what it's standing... but did you see the animated Godzilla on Netflix ? Godzilla Earth ?

There are many YouTubers who have waded into this discussion. Here's one.



I don't even know who Idris Elba is man. Maybe that shows how out of the Hollywood loop I am these days?

That was an interesting video. He clearly seems to think the Cloverfield monster at the end of Paradox is a lot smaller than I did.

I don't think we're asking the right questions here though...

Does the Cloverfield universe deserve a spot next to the Godzilla universe?

Sure... I was never a fan of the cheezy old flicks myself, and the Matthew Broderick movie was a huge disappointment, but the whole universe has a storied history and is beloved by a lot of fans, for generations now.

And sure... I LOVED Cloverfield, and even though the Cloverfield universe was shoe-horned into 10 Cloverfield Lane after the fact, I think I liked that one even more. Paradox though, held no interest for me, and it seems that it didn't go over too well with audiences either.


I'm kind of coming from the other side of the argument about how much merit the Godzilla flicks have, and I still wonder if Cloverfield even deserves the Ultra-Heavyweight bought against Godzilla.

I think Cloverfield has a lot to prove before that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 9:07 AM

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First of all, I say forget Cloverfield as any sort of a cross over. The NY movie was interesting, but then we got the Paradox, and all hell breaks loose. Alternate realities, monster dimensions, and excuse me, but what is the biological purpose of a 6,000 ft tall creature anyways ? It could NOT exist in our world, at least not for very long. Damn thing would starve , or die from lack of oxygen... it's beyond silly.

Idris Elba is a bad ass British actor. Likely you'd recognize him.

Godzilla 1998 was a disaster. 'zilla wasn't even in the same league as Godzilla. It made no sense... created in the S. Pacific, then swims around to lay eggs in … NYC ?? Stupid.

There are reportedly 17-19 Titans already in the Legendary Godzilla ' monster verse '.

Cloverfield can suck it.




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Thursday, April 4, 2019 2:47 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Wasn't the shaky cam pioneered on Firefly, helping win Special Effects Emmy for 2002? Helping kick off Zoic Studios?

I try to not be too bothered by those copying Firefly.

i somewhat misspoke.

Zoic with Firefly integrated the camera shake into the CGI shots, and that was the innovation. Camera shake was already a thing. But for CGI, the shot cannot be shaky when filmed - unlike how Blair Witch did it. The CGI frame shots must be filmed in steady cam, and then the CGI can process the frames within the flow of action, and then afterwards the shake can be injected for the final effect. This was counterintuitive because the sense was that CGI would provide better resolution, detail, focus, and not the shakiness.

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:52 PM

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I hear ' shaky cam ', I think of what we first got with Blair Witch. As a means of telling a story, from the perspective of a person holding a camcorder, or videoing from their phone. Blair Witch, maybe a couple of other horror movies, and then Cloverfield, were the main feature movies to employ this feature through out the movie.

What Firefly did, aside from reintroduce lens flare, was to incorp brief out of focus shots, then quick zoom ins. Think the first heist from the pilot ep, or the ship coupling scene from Bushwhacked.

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Friday, April 5, 2019 10:11 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I hear ' shaky cam ', I think of what we first got with Blair Witch. As a means of telling a story, from the perspective of a person holding a camcorder, or videoing from their phone. Blair Witch, maybe a couple of other horror movies, and then Cloverfield, were the main feature movies to employ this feature through out the movie.

What Firefly did, aside from reintroduce lens flare, was to incorp brief out of focus shots, then quick zoom ins. Think the first heist from the pilot ep, or the ship coupling scene from Bushwhacked.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

Do you remember, before the quick zoom, the shaky image before coming into focus? I'm thinking the Reaver Ship in BDM, but others before that.

The high speed chase shots, like also in The Message.

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Friday, April 5, 2019 6:16 PM

AURAPTOR

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So there's less / no confusion about what is being discussed...


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Friday, April 5, 2019 6:37 PM

MOOSE


IIRC, they talked about the “jump”-zoom (or whatever it’s called) in one of the dvd commentaries.
They were quite proud of it, then they noticed Lucas used it in Attack of the Clones.

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Friday, April 26, 2019 8:53 AM

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Final Godzilla : KOTM trailer



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