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STAR WARS IX: The Rise of Skywalker

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Friday, December 27, 2019 5:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I've seen all the other 8 episodes, so I stumbled into a theater with this on.


Much of the time I spent wondering: how did this hodgepodge mishmash of cut-and-paste escape the studio docks? And feeling a bit sorry for Daisy Ridley getting stuck in such dreck. She seemed like a plucky actress, capable beyond what has been shown in this realm, and the role had so much hope attached, in theory, when she was selected. I'm glad she at least got paid for this, and hopefully she can live it down.


Several of the characters I thought were dead already. And/or they were never to be seen again, but apparently not. Really disappointing in the nfailure of script, stpryline, saga arc.
I watched the original Episode IV in cinema several times. And to find the whole works ends in this is a drag.
I don't recall a single point when I felt thrilled that the characters or story was in a positive trajectory. None of the characters seemed to draw in any empathy. I didn't heard one single member of the audience cheer, clap, shout, or anything. I wasn't listening for groans.


I don't recall any scene which demanded it be seen on silver screen.


I still consider Rogue One to be the best entry in this verse lately.

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 12:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Sunday, December 29, 2019 11:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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So.



Are you considering the possibility of getting sober by Monday?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 29, 2019 12:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Hate it when NYE falls on a Tuesday night. Work 1 day, then half a day, off Wed, then back to work for a day, maybe a day and a half.

Then the weekend again.

Ugh.

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Monday, December 30, 2019 7:39 AM

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Top Opening Weekends By Month
December
1 Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens $247,966,675
2 Star Wars: Episode VIII-The Last Jedi $220,009,584
3 Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker $177,383,864
4 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story $155,081,681
5 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey $84,617,303
6 I Am Legend $77,211,321
7 Avatar $77,025,481
8 The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug $73,645,197
9 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $72,629,713
10 Aquaman $67,873,522

www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/release_top_opn_wkd_in_month/?in_occasion=
december&ref_=bo_rl_rr


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 30, 2019 8:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

The weekend isn’t looking good for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, as it is falling a lot faster than I expected. If estimates hold, it will fall 59% to $72.0 million over the weekend for a running tally of $361.8 million after two weeks of release. However, this is still a massive amount of money. It is already the seventh-biggest hit released in 2019, and is on pace to earn third place on that chart, maybe even second. Internationally, the film added $94.3 million in 52 markets for a running tally of $363.0 million internationally and $724.8 million worldwide. That’s without any earnings from South Korea, where it will debut in a couple of weeks. It should have no trouble getting to $1 billion worldwide by the end of its run, but most were expecting a lot more than that. It is yet another profitable disappoint—and we saw too many of those in 2019.


https://www.the-numbers.com/news/243840830-Weekend-Estimate-Skywalker-
Heads-Earthwards


That's a rough 2nd week.

Somebody will be fired.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 30, 2019 9:47 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Last night TNT aired Last Jedi for the first time. I watched even though I hated it in the theater two years ago. Yep, still sucks. Really sucks. I can only imagine how bad the new one is. But just out of curiosity I'll be watching it when it's available on cable On Demand for $5.99.

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Monday, December 30, 2019 6:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Last night TNT aired Last Jedi for the first time. I watched even though I hated it in the theater two years ago. Yep, still sucks. Really sucks. I can only imagine how bad the new one is. But just out of curiosity I'll be watching it when it's available on cable On Demand for $5.99.

You don't have local cinema with discount days? Like $5 for all shows that day?

You could spend ony the $5, and sit in a comfy chair - there was plenty of seating vacant at the showing of Skywalker I went to.
All but one show of Jumanji was sold out (both sides of town), and I got one of 2 seats remaining in that one, but Skywalker had acres of empty seats.

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Monday, December 30, 2019 6:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Top Opening Weekends By Month
December
1 Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens $247,966,675
2 Star Wars: Episode VIII-The Last Jedi $220,009,584
3 Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker $177,383,864
4 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story $155,081,681
5 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey $84,617,303
6 I Am Legend $77,211,321
7 Avatar $77,025,481
8 The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug $73,645,197
9 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $72,629,713
10 Aquaman $67,873,522

www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/release_top_opn_wkd_in_month/?in_occasion=
december&ref_=bo_rl_rr



That is a crying shame that Rogue One is 4th behind all that other dreck.





SPOILER ALERT!!






SPOILER ALERT!!!


In the 3rd post following this, second will has posted SPOILERS while intentionally keeping any SPOILER ALERT absent.

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Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Don't give them 5 bucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 31, 2019 9:57 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Don't give them 5 bucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



I second that. First Star Wars movie with an episode number that I haven't seen in theaters and nothing I've read has changed my mind.

Star Wars needs a reboot.

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Tuesday, December 31, 2019 11:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Don't give them 5 bucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



I second that. First Star Wars movie with an episode number that I haven't seen in theaters and nothing I've read has changed my mind.

Star Wars needs a reboot.

I saw the pirate copy: "Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker 2019 HDTS XViD-ETRG.avi" I was only slightly annoyed by the Chinese subtitles, but I got to see Rey and Kylo passionately kiss after killing the Emperor. That's not really a spoiler, is it? How could the movie end with him alive? The movie immediately keeps Rey/Kylo from becoming a loving couple. That's not really another spoiler, is it, since Kylo Ren is a bad boy and Rey has A Greater Destiny than becoming a Mommy -- She will become The Mother of All Jedi Knights.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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No Rose/Finn love story. After the passionate kiss in TLJ and after Rose risked her life for Finn, all she gets in TRoS is a "no, you stay here buddy" and a pat on the back.

Nobody cares about Rey or what she's doing after this. Certainly not Daisy Ridley who just phoned in this performance.

And a recent interview with John Boyega he was asked if he'd be coming back and reprising his role as Finn and all he had to say was "You're not going to Disney Plus me", with a laugh.

Fuck Star Wars.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 1, 2020 7:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No Rose/Finn love story. After the passionate kiss in TLJ and after Rose risked her life for Finn, all she gets in TRoS is a "no, you stay here buddy" and a pat on the back.

Nobody cares about Rey or what she's doing after this. Certainly not Daisy Ridley who just phoned in this performance.

And a recent interview with John Boyega he was asked if he'd be coming back and reprising his role as Finn and all he had to say was "You're not going to Disney Plus me", with a laugh.

Fuck Star Wars.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Don't give up on Star Wars. The Mandalorian has a story as good as the best Star Wars movies, at least for the first 3 episodes on the Disney+ channel. Then it had 4 episodes that were completely forgettable, but were very good looking. Then the 8th and final episode of the season introduced a major villain for next season.

That last episode was pretty good, except for a schlock sequence were the Mandalorian was severely wounded in an explosion. He had to be carried. He tells his comrades to leave him behind to die like a warrior. Everyone tearfully goes away, except for the droid, which then performs a medical miracle on a fractured skull, using only an aerosol can of medicine. With his brain injury fixed, the Mandalorian is back on his feet. That was a few minutes of perhaps necessary schlock for children in the middle of a good episode. The children get to see the Mandalorian without his helmet for the first, and maybe last, time.

"I Never Knew How Much I Needed a Star Wars TV Series Before The Mandalorian"
https://io9.gizmodo.com/i-never-knew-how-much-i-needed-a-star-wars-tv-
series-be-1840725748


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I didn't give up on Star Wars. Disney did.

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Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:10 AM

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To my surprise, my biggest complaint, the one thing keeping this final Skywalker-infused installment of the Star Wars saga from clearing my Threshold of Awesome, was the editing.

Well… not the technical bits of the editing so much as the way the editing was used to influence the pacing. The first half (at least) of the film raced from scene to scene, switching from thread to thread, without giving me time to process. Lots of scenes, not enough sequels.

TERMINOLOGY BREAK: “Scene/Sequel” format was described sixty years ago by Dwight Swain². In his terminology, “scene” is a unit of conflict, and “sequel” is linking material in which the reader (or viewer) has time to process the previous scene, and is made ready for the next one. “Scene” might be a car chase. “Sequel” would be sitting on the back bumper of the ambulance talking about what happened, perhaps while watching one of the cars burn in the background.

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker kept changing scenes on me before I was done thinking about them. We’d jump from location to location so quickly I began to wonder if some poor editor wasn’t told to shave 20 minutes off the film by chopping 20 seconds from the end of sixty consecutive scenes.

It was exhausting. At the halfway point I was worried that I was going to exit the theater asking myself “what even WAS that?”

More at www.schlockmercenary.com/blog/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Speaking of cut scenes, what did Finn have to tell Rey?

A lot of people speculated that he wanted to tell her that he loved her, given the way he was so protective of her earlier in the series. In fact, that's the only theory I had heard when people were complaining about how shot after shot things would end before they should of and never seemed to resolve themselves.

If you look online now though, everybody seems to be in agreement that he was going to tell her that he was force sensitive. Because JJ says so.



Funny. Wasn't there a book that was required reading for the 2nd film centering around one of the main characters?

Now the director has to come out and explain gaping plot holes created by a terrible editing job.


And people are still giving them money for this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 2, 2020 5:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Don't give them 5 bucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



I second that. First Star Wars movie with an episode number that I haven't seen in theaters and nothing I've read has changed my mind.

Star Wars needs a reboot.

I can agree. I did not give them 5 bucks for SWIX. I paid $5 for Jumanji, which was sold out for every show in my city, and then afterward walked across the hallway to a showing of Skywalker, which had empty seats galore. Groups of 10 could have easily found seats together.

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Thursday, January 2, 2020 9:20 PM

AURAPTOR

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Finn and Rey were heading towards a far more meaningful relationship, and then we got this twisted 50 Shades of Reylo. Forced nonsense, because mental and violently abusive relationships are far more preferable than *gasp!* interracial ones.

Finn was a garbage man.

#SoloLostMoney

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Saturday, January 4, 2020 3:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Finn and Rey were heading towards a far more meaningful relationship, and then we got this twisted 50 Shades of Reylo. Forced nonsense, because mental and violently abusive relationships are far more preferable than *gasp!* interracial ones.

Finn was a garbage man.

#SoloLostMoney

So many of the lame melodramtic scenes were drawn out, took forever. I don't recall any of that junk in EpIV. Lucas had described SW as cowboys and indians in space, making analogy of the thrill of chase, evasion, combat. I felt none of that in IX. Did JJ never even bother to watch the original trilogy? It was successful for a reason.

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Saturday, January 4, 2020 10:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


TLJ had 3 of the most idiotic moments in the SW saga..

1. Space bombers , having to fly DIRECTLY over the target...

2. Space Grond! The Galactic battering ram!

3. The tug boat speed armada scene... just irredeemably bad.


Even the hyperdrive kamikaze attack wasn't enough to counteract this nonsense.

Also most anything having to do w/ Luke, the blue boobie milk, Mary Rey Sue's emerging power...just horrific.

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Saturday, January 4, 2020 10:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Would you guys say that Spaceballs was a better Star Wars movie than the Disney Trilogy?



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Saturday, January 4, 2020 10:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


How did I never notice the 'cock and balls' tie on Dark Helmet's uniform? LOL!!!

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Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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lol Dunno buddy. It was staring you right in the face this whole time.



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Monday, January 6, 2020 9:41 AM

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Disney rushed J. J. Abrams into completing ‘The Rise of Skywalker’

The Rise of Skywalker crew had three months less to work on the new film than they did for The Force Awakens, according to editor Maryann Brandon’s estimates. Disney set the Dec. 20, 2019 release date and was steadfast that it could not change.

With Disney’s refusal to change the date, the editor and director continued onward, doing the best they could. However, three months more of shooting, directing, and editing might have created an entirely different movie. From film editor Brandon’s account, it is evident that the work environment created by Disney was not ideal.

“The TROS we saw last night was not the TROS we thought we worked on,” an unnamed source, close to Abrams, reported through a Reddit post.

“J. J. [Abrams] was devastated and blindsided by this,” the source continued. “He’s been feeling down over the last six months because of some of the ridiculous demands Disney had that changed his movie’s story. While the scenes were shot, a lot of the changes were made in post-production, and the audio was rerecorded and altered.”

“My source said they’ve never seen anything like this happen before,” wrote the Redditor who is keeping the source anonymous. “He’s the director, and he wasn’t in the know about what they (Disney) were doing behind his back.”

If this new information is accurate, it is likely Abrams will refuse to work with Disney again.

More at www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/why-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-d
irector-j-j-abrams-will-likely-never-work-with-disney-again.html
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, January 6, 2020 10:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Double post.

Oh shit. There goes the planet.

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Monday, January 6, 2020 10:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Yup. I heard that they started going re-shoots on September 10th. Not a good time for that with what should have been the biggest movie of 2019 premiering only 3 months later.

Nobody should be blaming JJ or anyone working for him, including the actors and the editors.

This is something to put on Kathleen Kennedy and anybody above her all the way to the tippy-top of the Disney Pyramid. Hell... at this point, I'm even willing to give Kennedy some slack. She should have been removed from the franchise a long time ago when it was apparent she couldn't do the job.

Disney wasn't paying attention because they thought of Star Wars as the golden goose that nobody could fuck up. They were wrong.




It's probably fixable though. People seem to like Mandalorian, and I've heard some interest in other side projects. Disney also seems to want to ditch the whole Trilogy format from here on out, which I also think is a very wise decision.

Maybe they should consider slowly introducing the extended universe back into Star Wars through movies and TV shows over the coming years. I'm only a fan of that idea if the people who wrote the stuff originally are compensated well for their ideas though and Disney isn't just stealing other people's work after throwing it in the garbage.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 6, 2020 11:26 AM

JONGSSTRAW


ROS is already past $1 billion in ticket sales. That's a profit already of about $700 million, even before merchandising and dvd profits are calculated. Nobody at Disney is gonna be upset with that. Why should they give a rat's patoot if the movie disappoints 50 & 60 year-olds who still expect and yearn for the quality of the original trilogy? Money talks, quality walks.

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Monday, January 6, 2020 6:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
ROS is already past $1 billion in ticket sales. That's a profit already of about $700 million, even before merchandising and dvd profits are calculated. Nobody at Disney is gonna be upset with that. Why should they give a rat's patoot if the movie disappoints 50 & 60 year-olds who still expect and yearn for the quality of the original trilogy? Money talks, quality walks.



Nah. It's only at $920 Million right now, although it will hit a Billion.

It's not a profit of $700 Million either because you almost always double the production budget for a movie for the marketing budget. So let's be conservative and call it a $500 Million profit when it reaches a billion.

Merchandising won't be much. Have you seen the Star Wars sections at toy stores this holiday season? The last few years there were entire aisles devoted to them, but they didn't sell out and this year all you had were little nooks that were half taken up with crap that didn't sell out in the last 2 years. Hasbro has been turning them into plastic cubes to recycle. It wouldn't be surprising to me if the toys themselves have actually amounted to a net loss since the Disney Trilogy has come out. They'll make some money on DVD and BluRay sales though for sure. Lots of stupid people out there.



At the end of the day though, the first movie cost less money to make and made over $2 Billion. And they actually lost money on SOLO in between. Try as hard as they might, but they're not pulling in enough new fans to displace the old ones. They took one of the most marketable names in Hollywood history and made it a mediocre property. They'll no doubt find a way to milk that cash cow for all that it's worth and be happy with the $4 billion the spent to acquire it, but it's going to take a lot longer and a lot more work then they thought it would.



Honestly, I haven't given a real shit about Star Wars itself since I was a kid, and was only mildly entertained by the first two entries of the second trilogy and didn't even bother with the third one. I don't really care about the past or the future of Star Wars, as the only real properties in that franchise to me are and will always be the original trilogy.

I'm just hopeful that with the lessons to be offered here along with other hard core flops like Cats, Dark Fate, Charlies Angles and all of the other woke bullshit that lost money dating back to at least Ghostbusters 2016 that they're going to take them to heart and stop making shit that nobody wants to see.



But even then, I don't really care about that either. I hardly watch any of the shit Hollywood puts out... even the stuff supposedly "made for me".

I'm always for a little schadenfreude.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 6, 2020 8:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
ROS is already past $1 billion in ticket sales. That's a profit already of about $700 million, even before merchandising and dvd profits are calculated. Nobody at Disney is gonna be upset with that. Why should they give a rat's patoot if the movie disappoints 50 & 60 year-olds who still expect and yearn for the quality of the original trilogy?



Money talks, quality walks.


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Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Why did you quote that? It's wrong.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2020 5:21 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why did you quote that? It's wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The last 4 words.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Okay, but the money isn't talking is what I'm saying.

Typically, the third movie in a trilogy does better than the second movie, and if there's enough hype it will actually do better than the first. We're seeing the exact opposite here with the total profit being close to a billion dollars less than Episode 7. And that's if we believe the production costs were only $275 million and they weren't paying massive overtime to all the union members with all the re-shoots and new editing that didn't even begin until the second week of September.


With the success of Mandalorian happening while this tank-fest began, I think there's lessons to be learned here.

I suspect that they're going to shift Star Wars in general more toward the TV show format and tone down the wokeness a tad. It will still be there of course, but maybe they won't be so in your face with everything going forward.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:39 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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And the rock keeps sinking...

Quote:

Dec 20, 2019 1 $89,615,288 4,406 $20,339 $89,615,288 1
Dec 21, 2019 1 $47,467,565 -47% 4,406 $10,773 $137,082,853 2
Dec 22, 2019 1 $40,301,011 -15% 4,406 $9,147 $177,383,864 3
Dec 23, 2019 1 $29,389,847 -27% 4,406 $6,670 $206,773,711 4
Dec 24, 2019 1 $20,270,474 -31% 4,406 $4,601 $227,044,185 5
Dec 25, 2019 1 $32,165,681 +59% 4,406 $7,300 $259,209,866 6
Dec 26, 2019 1 $30,586,950 -5% 4,406 $6,942 $289,796,816 7
Dec 27, 2019 1 $26,069,973 -15% -71% 4,406 $5,917 $315,866,789 8
Dec 28, 2019 1 $25,075,535 -4% -47% 4,406 $5,691 $340,942,324 9
Dec 29, 2019 1 $21,244,082 -15% -47% 4,406 $4,822 $362,186,406 10
Dec 30, 2019 1 $15,302,130 -28% -48% 4,406 $3,473 $377,488,536 11
Dec 31, 2019 1 $13,217,698 -14% -35% 4,406 $3,000 $390,706,234 12
Jan 1, 2020 1 $17,076,472 +29% -47% 4,406 $3,876 $407,782,706 13
Jan 2, 2020 1 $9,274,735 -46% -70% 4,406 $2,105 $417,057,441 14
Jan 3, 2020 1 $11,038,440 +19% -58% 4,406 $2,505 $428,095,881 15
Jan 4, 2020 1 $14,319,903 +30% -43% 4,406 $3,250 $442,415,784 16
Jan 5, 2020 1 $9,166,472 -36% -57% 4,406 $2,080 $451,582,256 17
Jan 6, 2020 1 $2,978,242 -68% -81% 4,406 $676 $454,560,498 18



That's huge. A 68% drop from Sunday to Monday.



Joker also had a 67% drop on it's third Sunday, but that was after a 104% increase the previous Friday and a 45% increase of that on Saturday.

Episode 9 only saw a 19% increase on Friday and a 30% increase of that on Saturday.


At $2,978,242, Episode 9 almost made less money than R-Rated Joker did on it's 3rd Monday ($2,742,836).

That's where Disney is at with this turd right now. Hoping to god that it has the legs of Joker and doesn't get embarrassed next week.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:03 PM

BYTEMITE




I am the dinosaur.

The new star wars is a hodgepodge as was said of some good and bad half-baked ideas... That you'll hate me for saying, but at the time I watched them I actually enjoyed, because I no longer expect Star Wars movies to be "good" exactly.

Maybe it's just the prequels lowered my expectations that much - and honestly I still think the prequels are worse if you can believe it.

Mostly I just picked out the stuff I liked about them and blanked out the bad stuff.

I still think some things about it are good. To understand where I'm coming from you have to understand that I actually think that the casino scene is the heart of the trilogy.

But why?! It's Dumb! Camels! Rose is there and she's no Lando in terms of a sixth ranger coming in to the main group in the second movie!

All correct. The Camel scene is a really dumb sequence, meant to be something entertaining for the kids in the middle of all the philosophizing. Rose is an incredibly weak love interest who doesn't really serve any point in the movies and disappears from ROS for a reason.

So why is Rose there?

Because, my theory is, in earlier drafts of the script Rose was supposed to be Rey, and Rey was supposed to come back sooner. Rey was supposed to be the one explaining to Finn about the weapon merchants that keep stirring up the war, a perspective coming from both what she understood as a scavenger of the parts and weapons that would blow up and fall on Jakku, and as an exploration about how both Light and Dark sides would get stirred up against each other and perpetuate the war. Then the explanation goes into why it's still important for them to fight, and keep pushing for freedom. Then the moment with the force kid - the galaxy has a future, and it's the small folk with hidden talents, foreshadowing when the galaxy as a whole answers the call in ROS.

It would have been far more meaningful for all this explanation for Finn to come from Rey instead of Rose, because of their relationship, but Rey wasn't there, so they wrote in someone we just met to say it all and it took out all the impact.

Why did they do that? Because I suspect Disney was getting backlash for hinting at Rey/Finn, and like cowards they backed off. And they brought it back when their weak ass attempt to placate the Rey/Finn haters with a new Finn love interest failed.

That said, I actually think Finn was going to try to tell Rey that he knew what her heritage was, all the contextual clues seem to be there, more than a declaration of love would be. I'm not sure how he would have FOUND OUT exactly, but it would have had the most emotional impact. It's strange they never followed up on it.

Kylo/Rey is a garbage pairing, no disagreements there, but I don't mind the kiss so much because at least he died in the end rather than continue the messed up mutual abuse thing they had going on. Though I'd rather they didn't kiss at all, and Kylo live, because the die to redeem yourself thing in star wars is pretty played out.

I liked that Rey wasn't really a chosen one, it's a cliche that always bothers me in writing. I like that she stole all her skill from Kylo rummaging around in her mind without really thinking that he had to protect himself from that. Maybe in star wars where the force itself is a concept of fate and destiny, a chosen one can make sense, but it's still an idea that's also really played out for me. I like the stories about the small people who don't have some grand destiny/plot armor trying to get by in a bigger world, I think that wanting a story to be relatable is not uncommon (and might be why people tend to prefer Rogue One over the sequels, RIP Kyle Katarn though).

Of course they undid all that in Rise of Skywalker, but whatever. I know that was controversial so they had to come up with *some* shocking twist about Rey's heritage and they weren't going to make her a secret Skywalker by birth because that's too obvious.

Bringing Palpatine back is no big deal, it's not like he hasn't cloned himself before. I also saw nods to the Sith Emperor from Old Republic 10000 bby in what he claims about how he can possess people, which raises interesting implications in how far back the Sith machinations go. Ian's probably one of the highlights of Rise of Skywalker anyway.

I also liked Luke's characterization - he feels like the grown up version of the whiny farmboy, someone who would out of guilt run off the moment he made one big mistake and go into hiding for years, becoming more and more grumpy and resentful towards the force and how it caused it all. He doesn't feel perfect or like he's a mary sue, which sometimes I felt like how the old EU characterized Luke was borderline.

Really the only thing that I can't really hand wave away or grudgingly accept is that Kylo was the end of the Skywalker bloodline. Rey taking up the mantle is a nice touch, but it's not the same.

Call me crazy, but due to the force powers involved in the whole "bringing someone to life thing" that goes back to Palpatine and Plagueis manipulating midichlorians to create Anakin immaculately... I almost like to think maybe Rey is pregnant with a Skywalker? Sure Kylo was shit, but at least it was consensual at the end, and she'd get one good thing out of that trainwreck.

Do still miss parts of the EU though, especially Mara Jade. Jedi Legends and the New Jedi Order became a mess in the end though so I don't really miss that.

/mad rambling and random unrelated drop in

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Friday, January 10, 2020 8:27 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The galaxy isn’t far far away, it’s just very small.

It’s one thing — a depressing thing — to see that, obviously, there was never any unifying vision for this trilogy; no one mapped out even a sketch of a overarching plot for the three movies, and the story it tells is damn near incoherent because no one seems to have had any idea what it was going to be about. Worse, though, is how, with The Rise of Skywalker — the film struggles to justify that title — Star Wars became the Empire, solidifying ideas about lineage and destiny and heritage that, more than ever in today’s world, need to die, when slavish adherence to dynasties and heritage are doing so much damage.

I’m always shocked when anything considered science fiction or fantasy shows itself to be so lacking in imagination, and when its fans reward it for its narrowmindedness. It’s clear now that whatever flight of fancy Star Wars once took me on, it is no longer interested in having me along on the journey. This saddens me, but there are plenty of other stories out there that will engage me as I need.

More at www.flickfilosopher.com/2020/01/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-movie-
review-the-galaxy-isnt-far-far-away-its-just-very-small.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 11, 2020 7:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Good, Second. Go watch the other stories then.








Hey Bytemite. Deeper analysis than I've read pretty much anywhere else you have there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I don't buy that SW ' screwed ' JJ in any manner. The Disney trilogy was never going to pay homage to the original story. It was doomed from the very start. They opted to NOT reunite Han, Luke and Leia on screen in the first movie, then Carrie Fisher up and died.

From that point forward, the story they WANTED to tell, of Leia taking over for Luke , had come to an end.

Instead of putting in serious hard work researching the canon stories from the EU ( KK claimed there WAS no source material, remember? ) the chose to push forward w/ the original idea. Through old footage and the magic of Hollywood ( CG ) they tried to piece the tattered parts of their dream together.

But it was never going to work. They knew it. But still weren't deterred.

They gave us Disney RoS, and then shortly after, this nonsense about the Jar-Jar Abrams cut started circulating. The REAL story?

Nope. That died even before Carrie Fisher passed. It died when Lucas sold the story to Disney.

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 2:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't buy that SW ' screwed ' JJ in any manner. The Disney trilogy was never going to pay homage to the original story. It was doomed from the very start. They opted to NOT reunite Han, Luke and Leia on screen in the first movie, then Carrie Fisher up and died.

From that point forward, the story they WANTED to tell, of Leia taking over for Luke , had come to an end.

Instead of putting in serious hard work researching the canon stories from the EU ( KK claimed there WAS no source material, remember? ) the chose to push forward w/ the original idea. Through old footage and the magic of Hollywood ( CG ) they tried to piece the tattered parts of their dream together.

But it was never going to work. They knew it. But still weren't deterred.

They gave us Disney RoS, and then shortly after, this nonsense about the Jar-Jar Abrams cut started circulating. The REAL story?

Nope. That died even before Carrie Fisher passed. It died when Lucas sold the story to Disney.

It is interesting that you don't believe the story.

I can say that after seeing the film in cinema, the description of Disney editing behind the Director's back without telling him really does seem like the most fitting explanation of what I saw on screen.

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