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Originally posted by Zeek:
I really wonder about a made for TV movie or mini-series.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Syfy spends less on those movies than an individual episode of Firefly cost nearly a decade ago. Even a TV movie would require a bigger budget than that.

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Syfy spends less on those movies than an individual episode of Firefly cost nearly a decade ago. Even a TV movie would require a bigger budget than that.

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Summer Glau did Deadly Honeymoon, a TV movie with a $1,000,000 budget. It got 5.6 stars out of 10 - www.imdb.com/title/tt1526585/ It had half the budget of a typical SyFy movie but a superior script. So . . . if we can't have Serenity 1½ on SyFy with a script by Joss Whedon, then maybe we can have Serenity ¼ with a script by Zack Whedon for a www.myLifetime.com movie. Small can be beautiful.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Well we've already dropped two major cast members. So, that should cut casting costs a bit. They could do a movie that is just all shot planet side with no scenes on the ship. It would be a little sad not to see it, but I'd be ok with it for one movie.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Unless you want them to recast the crew and built the ship out of cardboard. It. Will. Cost. More. Period.

Having a great script doesn't make the other stuff cheaper. Comparisons to small films, with simple sets and a small cast are retarded - they're not the same, even if it featured Summer.

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Unless you want them to recast the crew and built the ship out of cardboard. It. Will. Cost. More.

Period.

Having a great script doesn't make the other stuff cheaper. Comparisons to small films, with simple sets and a small cast are retarded - they're not the same, even if it featured Summer.

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You're thinking too big. A Serenity movie could be done without building a Firefly set. Start with the zero budget R. Tam Sessions, where River murders a doctor at the Alliance institute. That could be the opening for the movie. Add a legless ex-soldier with prosthetic legs (call her Sarge, an otherwise unnamed original character) who covers up the murder. You didn't expect Dr. Mathias to do his own dirty work? Stealing directly from Avatar, Dr. Mathias is promising Sarge new legs for her cooperation with his evil plans. Every movie needs two villains.

Sarge will eventually: recapture River when she later escapes the institution on her own, teach River to fight, choose the safe words in Russian that make River sleep, and, finally, be the pilot who lifts Simon and River out of the secret Alliance facility. The plot is how River causes Sarge to sympathize with River's plight. Every movie needs a character arc. Sarge is that character.

In the epilogue, Mal, Zoe, Jayne, Kaylee, Inara get their one minute long cameo appearance in the shipyard. It is Sarge who is flying the salvage ship that is carrying the damaged Serenity. The movie's entire computer graphics budget is spent on this scene and the one where Sarge pulls up her pant leg to show her cybernetic legs.

Most everything in this movie happens underground in the secret Alliance facility or at some low rent bars where Sarge meets Simon to plot the escape. Very simple and cheap sets. And that's how you think about an ultra low budget sequel to Serenity.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
And would parlaiment be set in a bar, too? Played by cardboard cutouts?

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And would parlaiment be set in a bar, too? Played by cardboard cutouts?

Maybe Summer's stalkers would be content with a half-assed "movie" that consists of her in a dark room rambling on about the love lives of politicians, but it sounds like utter dreck to me.

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I'd rather no more, than crappy more.

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I refer you to the last X-Files movie...

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I refer you to the last X-Files movie... Point being, it was a huge show, with a huge following. After taking several years off, with the main storyline left dangling, they do a movie that's a cheap, simple one-off story. The fans were pissed that it didn't advance anything, non-fans were completely disinterested, and it flopped. Essentially killing the franchise, even though next year is the year the main storyline was supposed to wrap up, and even though the stars and creator are game, and the fans want to see that story - the studio won't finance it because the cheapie flopped.

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I refer you to the last X-Files movie... Point being, it was a huge show, with a huge following. After taking several years off, with the main storyline left dangling, they do a movie that's a cheap, simple one-off story. The fans were pissed that it didn't advance anything, non-fans were completely disinterested, and it flopped. Essentially killing the franchise, even though next year is the year the main storyline was supposed to wrap up, and even though the stars and creator are game, and the fans want to see that story - the studio won't finance it because the cheapie flopped.

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The X-Files Movie about the psychic pedophile priest was the wrong example to prove your point about cheapness killing a franchise. It cost $30,000,000 to make. Two word explanation for its failure: pedophile priest. All the blame is on Chris Carter's script and direction. What studio will finance more of his movies? His following movie, self-financed, was the semi-autobiographical Fencewalker, which hasn't been released almost two years after filming was completed. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencewalker

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Blaming the script and direction is nonsensical, as people didn't show up to see how good or bad either were in the first place.

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TWO, I know everyone dissed on your idea, and I think you were just kidding, but if someone wrote that story over at fanfiction.net where I read, I would actually give it a go, try it out. Whether I finished it would depend on how well its written, but I'd try it.

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Well I'm with STORYMARK on this one, I'd rather have no more at all than some cheap crap spoiling what Firefly is right now. Additionally, Schwarzenegger and 'low budget' should probably not be mentioned in the same sentence, quality productions cost money and if there was going to be a Firefly ANYTHING then I would want quality.

I mean, how much did Dr. Horrible cost? Wasn't that like a quarter of a million or something without licensing, distribution and with the actors working for free?

And WTF!? Firefly without seeing Serenity? No thankyou. And that means rebuilding the sets, the startup costs of anything decent would be pretty big, not to mention actually coordinating everyone to come back to the show.

I can't think of anything worse than a poorly done, low budget piece of crap that would ultimately seal the fate of Firefly firmly in the dustbin. If it's going to be done, it needs to be done right.

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You think the more money spent on a production the better it is?

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How do you claim the X-file script is not to blame?:

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People don't know if something is well written or not unless they see it, and very few did. Giving me a synopsis is missing the point completely. I know the story, I saw it.

Rule of thumb in the industry is that opening weekend is about the marketing - because no one has seen the damned thing, and can't judge the content. This is why crappy movies with good trailers open huge then taper off. If they continue to draw crowd, then it's attributed to word of mouth - which equals people liking the story. But that can't happen until people actually see it.

And the vast majority of filmgoers are not people who scour the internet for plot points. No one here is a general viewer.

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I do not know why Joss moved the Operative closer to Mal for their shoot out, but I know that was a mistake. I think most of the audience noticed.

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You think the more money spent on a production the better it is?

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That's a straw man. No one said that.

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I'd rather have no more at all than some cheap crap spoiling what Firefly is right now.

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I do not know why Joss moved the Operative closer to Mal for their shoot out, but I know that was a mistake. I think most of the audience noticed.

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? I didn't think it was that big of a mistake. Mal was 1) focused on getting the broadwave out, 2) had to get across the gap anyway, 3) knew that the Operative wears body armor, 4) knew that the Operative is better with hand to hand combat, and needed to get the hell away long enough to to shoot him, 5) didn't know the Operative had stumbled across Mr. Universe's message and knew what he was planning, and 6) figured the Operative would be confused by his apparently insane decision to cross the gap. One of Mal's favourite strategies, seen in all the war time flashbacks in the series, is to be so unpredictable that he catches his enemies off guard.

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OR, because the Operative is better at hand to hand combat, Mal thought he might have ended up disarmed himself if he stayed nearby much longer, and potentially tackled off the platform.

You can shoot someone in the head, but he shot the gun out of the Operative's hand first, which was a bigger concern at the time. Guns have recoil, and unless you're River, it's very hard to get two very precise shots, one to disarm another gun, and then a headshot, off fast enough that that the recoil doesn't become a factor. They're close enough together that the Operative could have charged Mal during the recoil. So Mal retreated.

Yes, I was considering Mal trying for a headshot in the previous post. It still doesn't work, the Operative is just too good, it falls under point number 4.

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You think the more money spent on a production the better it is?

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That's a straw man. No one said that.

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I'd rather have no more at all than some cheap crap spoiling what Firefly is right now.

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Maybe InvaderChat didn't say the more money the better but he did say the less money the crappier. Therefore if you take money away and make the movie crappier than as you add money you must be taking the crappy away. Which would seem to be making it better.

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X Files (2008) failed because Chris Carter, the scriptwriter, pulled down his pants and mooned the audience. Way to go, Chris, you lazy writer. Carter left plot holes and logic slippages all over X Files. TV writers think mistakes will be ignored.

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Ok, go ahead and list the good scifi movies made in the last decade for a million bucks...

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Ok, go ahead and list the good scifi movies made in the last decade for a million bucks...

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Wow that's as close to an apology as I've ever seen you make. You're growing as a person. fff.net magic!

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