The Flashbacks in OoG by ShinyGeeket

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The Flashbacks in OoG

POSTED BY: SHINYGEEKET
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 4, 2006 11:13
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Thursday, December 1, 2005 2:49 PM

I've been wondering about this for a while, but are the flashbacks in this ep in chronological order? I ask because I somehow got the impression that Jayne had been on Serenity longer than Inarya, but if you go by Mal's flashbacks, it's the other way around. Please excuse me if this has been brought up before, I'm feeling a might lazy today, and didn't bother to check if this was discussed in a pre-existing thread.

"We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land'."

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Thursday, December 1, 2005 2:56 PM

GYPSYLIFE

I always thought the flashbacks were in order of who he said goodbye to, or had a poinant moment with.

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Friday, December 2, 2005 12:10 AM

AGENTROUKA

I think they are in chronological order.

Inara's been with the crew for about 8 months, which would leave plenty of time for Jayne to come onboard after her.

I think it also fits with Jayne's shifty loyalty. If he's been on board a whole year, Mal would probably be a little more certain about him.

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Sunday, December 4, 2005 3:25 PM

MALSGIRL

I don't know, I never thought they were in order. I thought they were sort of triggered by something that was happening to Mal at the moment. Like the doors opening and what not. I always sort of assumed Jayne was there before Inara too. I think Jayne had to have been on the ship for at least a year because in the begining of 'Our Mrs. Reynolds' Mal says something along the lines of "Your not the man I met a year ago" to Jayne.

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Monday, December 5, 2005 1:29 AM

CBY

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Originally posted by MalsGirl:
I don't know, I never thought they were in order. I thought they were sort of triggered by something that was happening to Mal at the moment.

That's my guess as well. Especially since you see Mal buying the Serenity at the very end. So much for chronological order ;-)

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Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:17 PM

SHINYGEEKET

Okay, with the exception of Mal's last flashback, I always thought that they were in order. But the flashback's triggered by character interaction is making more sense to me now.

"We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land'."

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Wednesday, December 7, 2005 4:10 AM

DONCOAT

Here's my take on the order of events:

Mal goes shopping, buys the old firefly, and picks out the name "Serenity".

Mal shows off the ship to Zoe.

Mal hires the "genius mechanic".

Mal and Zoe interview Wash.

Mal fires the hot shot and hires Kaylee, and Serenity is flying.

Inara rents the shuttle.

Jayne joins up.

It's not obvious how much time elapsed between these events, though. My gut feel is that Jayne signed on relatively recently -- perhaps closer (in time) to the events of the pilot episode than to when Inara came aboard. But I don't think there's any real evidence for that.

All we really know is that Serenity was already on the job when Jayne joined; that may or may not have been true for Inara. In fact, it's even possible that Inara signed on before Kaylee, or after Jayne.

At least we know when Book, Simon, and River joined the happy family!

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Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.

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Wednesday, December 7, 2005 4:57 AM

KHYRON

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Originally posted by DonCoat:
All we really know is that Serenity was already on the job when Jayne joined; that may or may not have been true for Inara. In fact, it's even possible that Inara signed on before Kaylee, or after Jayne.

In The Train Job, didn't Inara say that she's been on the ship for 8 months when she was talking to Book? If that were the case, there's no way she's been onboard longer than Kaylee. It's also hard for me to imagine Jayne coming onboard less recently, but I guess it's possible.

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Wednesday, December 7, 2005 5:55 AM

CAPERCAILLIE

If you listen to the commentary on OOG, the gentlemen indicate that the events trigger the flashbacks - such as Mal needing an adrenaline shot comes from Zoe's, and the hands-up goes to Jayne's hands-up.

Totally off question, I love this episode. I have lent out my DVD set and I am experiencing withdrawal symptoms!

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 4:46 AM

GRAYFURY

I have 2 points on this.... In Our Mrs. Reynolds, Mal says to Jayne "You are not the man I met a year ago!" And when Hes interviewing Inara, he says that the shuttle is space worthy like serenity. so I take the order as....

Mal fights in war with Zoe

Mal Buys Serenity

Mal hires Bester(was he an Homage to Babylon 5's Psi-cop Alfred Bester?)

Mal hires Wash

Mal hires Kaylee

Mal fires Bester

Mal Turns Jayne (they are standing on the ramp of what appears to be a fully funcioning Serenity when this happens)

Mal rents shuttle to Inara

Kaylee Barks on Book

Kaylee Barks on Simon, River in tow (I like to think that Simon saw Kaylees face when Book showed her the box of strawberries and was intrigued, More by Kaylee than curiosity about the box)

Kaylee Barks on Dobson (which was probably pretty simple since he was following Simon)

"Dear God In Heaven!" - Plastic Dinosaur

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 1:37 PM

KYLENBLADE

All the flashbacks seem to be in order to me when I watch it.

Hey! You're back! And there's your front too!

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 3:33 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD

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Originally posted by GrayFury:
In Our Mrs. Reynolds, Mal says to Jayne "You are not the man I met a year ago!"

Mal was also wearing a dress and a pretty floral bonnet, and Jayne had just told the bandits that he "married a powerful ugly creature." This is clearly just banter and not meant to reference anything in the actual history of the crew.

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"Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:42 PM

HWOONDAHN

Well, i am a recent fan of Firefly/Serenity. Just before join Fireflyfans, i said myself i must prepare a good introduction talking about me and why i love this show. But many have do before me, and i have the same reasons.

So i start here, with a (bizarre, insane, funny, choose a add a adjective) question who is, i hope in the good thread (there's many about out of gas), (yes i like brackets).

Let's start. When Mal make Zoe visit Serenity in the teaser, he said at a point "Yeah,just step around that. I think
something must have been living in here." Just after that, he continue his speech wich many passion, perhaps too much. Because, few seconds after, zoe look at Mal's feet, smile and have a short and discret laugh. For me, Mal have walk in the go-se of what "have been living in here". What is your opinion?

That's kind of details who make me fond of serenity. Each time i see a episode, i found new ones. The first time, i see OfG, i was focused on mal's speech, watching his face, and miss zoe scene. Perhaps, someone make a thread with second plan jokes (i don't dare for a first post).

Finally, it's a kind of "good introduction talking about me and why i love this show". Just hope, you don't judge my personality on this go-se question of go-se, event that's effectly a part of my personality.

PS: forgive my english, if it seems you to come too much from a border planet.

Yeah. They are my heroes (me)
Yeah. He's my hero. (Mal to Book, about Simon)

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:46 PM

SHUTTLE2

Yeah i just assumed they were triggered by what was happeneing at the time coz they showed Mal buying Serenity last.

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:55 PM

FREDIKAYLLOW

don't forget that when mal says 'you are not the man i met a year ago', a significant amount of time could have passed from the start of the series, up to maybe 2 months. if that was so, then inara would have have been on the ship for ten months, and we don't know how much time passed between the hiring of jayne and inara coming on board. i don't know about you, but i often say 'a year' when referring to nine or ten months.
bt, i always assumed that the flashbacks were in chronological order, and that they coincidentally corresponded with what was happening. or, maybe his progress around the ship was a subconscious journey through his life on serenity, sort of a 'i want to relive this experience so i'll go to this room and do this'
sorry, reading that back i realise that i made little or no sense. my apologies.

No Power In The 'Verse Can Stop Me

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Friday, December 23, 2005 3:18 AM

ZOOT

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Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:
Quote:
Originally posted by GrayFury:
In Our Mrs. Reynolds, Mal says to Jayne "You are not the man I met a year ago!"

Mal was also wearing a dress and a pretty floral bonnet, and Jayne had just told the bandits that he "married a powerful ugly creature." This is clearly just banter and not meant to reference anything in the actual history of the crew.

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"Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."

I was SO waiting for someone to make that point! Well done!!

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Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm
armed.

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Friday, December 23, 2005 5:19 AM

ARCLIGHT

An excellent first post HWOONDAHN. Welcome to the 'verse. Always feel free to post a question or comment here. This is a very friendly place with lots of good people, except for the occassional Troll.

arclight

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Friday, December 30, 2005 11:39 AM

MEMORYMAN

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Originally posted by GrayFury:

Mal hires Bester(was he an Homage to Babylon 5's Psi-cop Alfred Bester?)

Howdy. I just received the series box from my Brother for Christmas, and I'm totally loving it. Only one episode and the BDM left to watch.

I never watched Babylon 5, but Alfred Bester is also the name of a great sci-fi writer. His novel The Stars My Destination begins with a situation not unlike the one Mal finds himself in in this episode.

-ryan

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Friday, December 30, 2005 9:24 PM

MAKGRAF

Bester from B5 is named after Alfred Bester

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Monday, January 2, 2006 6:38 PM

SHINYTALENT

I don't think they're in order, I always got the feeling that Jayne had been onboard longer than Inara and as has already been suggested a few times I think the flashbacks are triggered by certain things on the ship.

The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.

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Tuesday, January 3, 2006 4:19 AM

KANESKI

Commentary on the series mentions rearranging the scenes over and over. I'd say the order of the scenes is not good to rely on. The chronological order up to Kaylee is pretty clear. The main tossup is between Jayne and Inara and my vote is Inara joined before Jayne.

My main reasoning for this is what Jayne says as they're coming out of Badger's place in the pilot - "I did not sign up with this crew to take in the sights." Gives me an impression of a recent event. He also mentions his cut - 10%, which in and of itself means nothing in the pilot, but combined with the flashback in OoG, the underlying meaning of the quote becomes "you offered me 10% to join." - also reeks of a recent event.

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 11:13 AM

NANDIGIRL730

Hey all, I'm also new here, been lurking for a bit, but now you have touched on something I spend much time musing about. I always felt the flashbacks corrosponded with what Mal was doing. Whenever he was in a situation where another crew member would have been useful, it cut to meeting that crew member. But it was mostly based on the flashback to Jayne (when the other crew comes in, guns blazin'), and Inara (when he droppes the part and needs to find that last reserve of strength). However, upon repeat viewing I'm not sure it matches up exactly. It never occured to me before reading this thread that Jayne came on board after Inara, but that last post nearly has me convinced...

did I mention I tend to be a bit wishy-washy?

Anyway, pleasure to make your acquantance and please forgive my spelling...

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Lady, you're my kind of stupid.

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 11:13 AM

NANDIGIRL730

whoa, accidentally posted twice...

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