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I had always assumed that most of what they got for the ambulance craft would then be transferred for use on Serenity - they didn't keep the ambulance, they would have likely stripped it (maybe sold back to the junk yard). Never thought they would just waste it on one use.

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Yeah, I guess it never dawned on me that they actually got away with the ambulance. I was always so amazed they made it back alive, and then transitioning to the scene with Mal and Jayne, I never gave it much thought.

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Point of interest, it's Wash who actually finds what looks suspiciously like a catalyzer! (the part he gleefully tosses at that other piece of luh-suh craft). Now, that's a part Serenity would REALLY come to need.
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No. Wash found that in Ariel.
The catalyzer was needed in Out of Gas, a few episodes before.

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You said "a part they would come to need"

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... implying you thought OoG was after Ariel.

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Point of interest, it's Wash who actually finds what looks suspiciously like a catalyzer! (the part he gleefully tosses at that other piece of luh-suh craft). Now, that's a part Serenity would REALLY come to need.

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Originally posted by asarian:
Also, I just realized there's a relationship between Jayne's "Let's moon em!" and Badger's "And I didn't flash my arse at the gorram law!" :)


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Also, I just realized there's a relationship between Jayne's "Let's moon em!" and Badger's "And I didn't flash my arse at the gorram law!" :)

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Which i think says a lot about Badger - his desire for 'respectability' versus his jealousy of such rebellious gestures. He'd LOVE to flash his arse at the law, I'm sure!

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Of course, you might complain that I've read this in the Official Companion or something.

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Originally posted by HistoryPhil:
Not an observation, just a couple questions; How long after they were released from the POW camp was it that they bought their ship? And,where did Mal and Zoe get the money to buy a Firefly?

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Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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Originally posted by HistoryPhil:

,where did Mal and Zoe get the money to buy a Firefly?

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Originally posted by HistoryPhil:

,where did Mal and Zoe get the money to buy a Firefly?

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Point of interest, it's really just Mal's ship ("You paid money for this, Sir? On purpose?"). Zoe didn't co-buy it or anything.


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Originally posted by HistoryPhil:

OK. I will rephrase the question. How expensive is a used, non-functional, Firefly class transport ship and where did Mel get the money to buy and repair it? Was Mel's Independence Army back pay deposited in a bank that did not crash when the Independents lost? Did he receive a mustering out bonus from the Alliance when he was released? Maybe compensation from the Alliance for the destruction of his ranch on Shadow? Was he able to save enough working for others in the year between his release from the POW camp and the his purchase of Serenity to buy the ship?

Not arguing, just puzzled.

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In BDM I've always been bothered at the end, when KayLee finally gets some, River's hair is not visible when she's upside down in the ceiling. That always seemed goofy to me.

Also in BDM, until reading the script I never recognized Derria Book's final lines to Mal as paraphrasing Tom Hanks/Capt Miller's final lines to Matt Damon/Pvt Ryan in Saving Private Ryan, which was a film Nathan was in.

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What's most interesting though is that we got no "read" from Kaylee. Is it something that is buried deep within Kaylee's subconcious? Someone had mentioned in another post that Kaylee did not answer Jubal when he asked if she had ever been raped. It is a very interesting theory. As for Wash and Zoe - all she could feel was their love and passion for each other.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
could be praying for those he was about to terminate, or for forgiveness from the Lord for the sin of killing a man he was about to do, but rather just for him to survive the current situation.
Anybody think it was for any other reason? I can't see Mal caring that much about Alliance to consider them worthy of a prayer from him.

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I was particulary happy to see a Rhino Iguana. I can't for the life of me remember which episode? (I've only been watching Firefly for 3 months now). Aside from the domestic animals I think that was the only other animal in the show.

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More on BDM:
On Miranda, the Research and Rescue vehicle is labeled C53D. Also, the first vehicle (car like) that Jayne finds with a withered victim is also labeled C53D in the same font.
Regarding the smaller vehicle, I don't understand why it has the same model name or logo. If it came with the crashed vehicle that investigated the deaths, how quick did this stuff act to make the driver just stop, after just arriving on planet?

...I figured the discrepancy was just the non-technical nature of Joss.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
See the similarity to UNION of ALLIED PLANETS , or even , UNITED FEDERATION of PLANETS ?

That's good , because Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry drew inspiration from the Robert Wise classic , Forbidden Planet , when creating the seminal TV series...

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Robert Wise directed a lot of great movies, but Forbidden Planet was not one of them. It was directed by Fred Wilcox. Some of Wise's movies were :
Day The Earth Stood Still
Andromeda Strain
Sand Pebbles
Sound Of Music
Run Silent, Run Deep
The Hindenburg
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More on BDM:
On Miranda, the Research and Rescue vehicle is labeled C53D. Also, the first vehicle (car like) that Jayne finds with a withered victim is also labeled C53D in the same font.
Regarding the smaller vehicle, I don't understand why it has the same model name or logo. If it came with the crashed vehicle that investigated the deaths, how quick did this stuff act to make the driver just stop, after just arriving on planet?

...I figured the discrepancy was just the non-technical nature of Joss.

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Not the helo...

The smaller craft belonged to the larger one , and was transported aboard it...It belonged to the mission just like the Galileo shuttle belonged to Star Trek's Enterprise...The Galileo was one of 7 shuttles that belonged to
NCC-1701 , so it was marked 'NCC-1701~7'.

...Same deal with the two Alliance vessels in Serenity BDM .

The pilot of the smaller craft was probably debilitated gradually , and eventually became incapacitated , while still aboard...He'd probably been out on a recon mission of a sort , before he stopped caring about finishing what they'd come there for...

Remember, the craft were marked ' Research & Rescue ' , an odd sort of dual mission , but one that was appropriate to planet Miranda , given the circumstances of the failure there...

Actually , the I.D. number on the two craft is 'C57D' . It's an homage to FORBIDDEN PLANET , an earlier Science Fiction classic film...

In the film , the spacecraft is designated UNITED PLANETS Cruiser C-57D...

See the similarity to UNION of ALLIED PLANETS , or even , UNITED FEDERATION of PLANETS ?

That's good , because Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry drew inspiration from the Robert Wise classic , Forbidden Planet , when creating the seminal TV series...

If you ever watch Forbidden Planet , and then see the Star Trek pilot episode ," THE CAGE ", you'll notice a lot of similarities , plus a natural progression...

There was a stiff and notable militarism in both , as one example...

Another connection is that Robert Wise was eventually tapped by Roddenberry to direct the first Trek film ,
Star Trek : The Motion Picture...

Forbidden Planet was very influential...

It's theme was really a retelling of Shakespeare's 'The Tempest'...In the science fiction version , there was a 'creature from the id' , a battle for the mind , that is of a kinship with River's brain storms...

And , Miranda is ' a forbidden planet ' to the folk in the 'Verse , and Serenity's crew...

The antithesis of Tempest is Serenity...

" Storm's getting worse... "

" We'll pass through it , soon enough..."

Give Joss all due credit...The man knows his trade...

When something ' sciency ' is happening , there'll be blinking lights that can't be missed...

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Robert Wise directed a lot of great movies, but Forbidden Planet was not one of them. It was directed by Fred Wilcox. Some of Wise's movies were :
Day The Earth Stood Still
Andromeda Strain
Sand Pebbles
Sound Of Music
Run Silent, Run Deep
The Hindenburg
West Side Story
Star Trek Motion Picture

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My bad !

Mental mix-up with 'Day The Earth Stood Still'...

Same genre , same era , different though great film...

Incidentally , I think that 'The Hindenburg' success had much to do with Wise being selected to direct ST:TMP...

YMMV , of course...

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Now it dawns on me that Mal was probably referring to Simon's rescuing River, defying the Alliance, saving an innocent - that is what Mal sees as strength, and that perhaps Simon is human enough, despite his upbringing and social status, that he and Mal can work out the sharing of mutual space for a while.

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In "Objects in Space" when Jubal Early asks Kaylee if she had ever been raped,

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Thanks for your response. At least you did respond. I get the feeling that this is a subject that many Caucasians don't want to go near (for obvious reasons I suppose.

Bottom line is I think Firefly and Serenity are excellent and while I was watching the shows these issues didn't even occur to me (with one exception) as I was enjoying them too much. I saw Serenity first then Firefly. However after watching the OiG episode it occurred to me that Early and "the Believer" were very similar characters with slightly different motivators. The rest of my thoughts followed afterward.

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Lurkalot: The Shepherd's Tale is supposed to be Book's back story, and that is going to be released in a few months. Not all hope is lost!

Rallem: I think the lack of Asian people in the show a symptom of it being canceled so quickly. It is very, very possible that Serenity would have traveled to planets that were more populated by Asian descendants than European. There is evidence there were plans for other cultures to pop up here and there as well. Niska spoke Czech, so it can be easily assumed that there are pockets of the 'verse that are neither of Asian or English influence.

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