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Originally posted by Lurkalot:

Bottom line is I think Firefly and Serenity are excellent

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Not sure what obvious reasons you would suppose caucasians don't feel the need to grasp and revel in the concept of victimhood. Perhaps you feel the victimhood angle is the sole domain of minorities.

All of the characters had wonderful backstories which were tragically not explored due to the unfortunate cancellation.
Posts like yours force me and others to disengage from the feel-good of enjoying our show

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Originally posted by Lurkalot:

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

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Bottom line is I think Firefly and Serenity are excellent

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Not sure what obvious reasons you would suppose caucasians don't feel the need to grasp and revel in the concept of victimhood. Perhaps you feel the victimhood angle is the sole domain of minorities.

All of the characters had wonderful backstories which were tragically not explored due to the unfortunate cancellation.
Posts like yours force me and others to disengage from the feel-good of enjoying our show

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Whereas I agree about the back stories being excellent and your related comments to that effect , the rest of your comments are just baloney! Victimhood? Did you even read my comments or just knee jerked to things you didnt like?
Every comment I made was for discussion including the problems people have in discussing race which you sadly have proved.
I am sorry this has proved too difficult to discuss because the universe we are talking about lends itself well to those discussions.

Great shows. Interesting verse. But are the fans really ready?

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Originally posted by Lurkalot:

Also what I was opining was that besides Gina the only other black characters were mentally limited in some ways, one possibly by psychosis the other by indoctrination.

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You mentioned that besides Gina the only two other characters of color were mentally limited in some way, with one being by a possible psychosis and the other by indoctrination, and I have to agree and disagree with you here. With Jubal Early I think it was clear that he was limited with a psychosis, but I think it was also that psychosis which helped enable him in a similar way that River’s helps her. With Shepard Book I don’t believe that he was mentally limited by his indoctrination in any way out of the ordinary, and he may have physically limited, but if so that was his choice.

I was thinking about the show Gilligan’s Island where the entire basis of the show was that each of the seven characters was a representation of one of the seven deadly sins, and I am trying to understand if there is any similar concept for the characters of Firefly. I think that if there is it will be entirely unintentional by Joss though because in the extras of the fourth DVD I believe Joss said that he was originally going to have five characters living on Serenity but then later on decided to up that number to nine because of lessons learned from Angel.




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Originally posted by ShinySahara:
From Rallem post:
"...he said to her that the first episode which I think he was referring to Serenity has incredible insight on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. (PTSD) My Councilor said to me that he said he would like to discuss this issue with her, and then I think she said that he told her he was thinking of making all of the Doctors and Councilors at the V.A watch that episode so it could be studied and discussed..."

Will you come back and tell us what they said? I'm getting my Master's in Social Work with a focus in PTSD and disaster recovery, and so I would be VERY interested! Thanks!

And getting back to the topic of the thread, I don't know if someone pointed this out already, but... So Saffron has a poison or somethin' mixed into her gloss so that when she kisses people, they're knocked out, you know, the Goodnight Kiss, I think it was. How come she doesn't poison herself with it? Even when one has lip gloss on, it's still hard not to lick one's lips anyway, I think it's even unconscious. So she would have licked it herself, and would have knocked herself out.
I know that it wouldn't have helped the story, but still.


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Originally posted by rallem:
You mentioned that besides Gina the only two other characters of color were mentally limited in some way, with one being by a possible psychosis and the other by indoctrination, and I have to agree and disagree with you here. With Jubal Early I think it was clear that he was limited with a psychosis, but I think it was also that psychosis which helped enable him in a similar way that River’s helps her. With Shepard Book I don’t believe that he was mentally limited by his indoctrination in any way out of the ordinary, and he may have physically limited, but if so that was his choice.

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Originally posted by ShinySahara:
he said to her that the first episode which I think he was referring to Serenity has incredible insight on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. (PTSD) My Councilor said to me that he said he would like to discuss this issue with her, and then I think she said that he told her he was thinking of making all of the Doctors and Councilors at the V.A watch that episode so it could be studied and discussed.

Will you come back and tell us what they said? I'm getting my Master's in Social Work with a focus in PTSD and disaster recovery, and so I would be VERY interested! Thanks!

And getting back to the topic of the thread, I don't know if someone pointed this out already, but... So Saffron has a poison or somethin' mixed into her gloss so that when she kisses people, they're knocked out, you know, the Goodnight Kiss, I think it was. How come she doesn't poison herself with it? Even when one has lip gloss on, it's still hard not to lick one's lips anyway, I think it's even unconscious. So she would have licked it herself, and would have knocked herself out.
I know that it wouldn't have helped the story, but still.


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Originally posted by rallem:
I think Book may have been the potentially most explosive and dynamic character on the show because he was who he said he was and so much more. I was not too disapointed with his loss in Serenity because he had so much of a mysterious past that even dead Ron Glass could be back to do lots of background episodes if they ever were made.

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I think Book may have been the potentially most explosive and dynamic character on the show because he was who he said he was and so much more. I was not too disapointed with his loss in Serenity because he had so much of a mysterious past that even dead Ron Glass could be back to do lots of background episodes if they ever were made.

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That would be interesting. Book doesn't seem to have any martial training as Early took him out way to easy.

Early vs the Believer. Now thats a fight I would want to see. Now if they could some how fit Jet Li (Chinese not US films version of him) into that fight somehow that would be stunning .

Hey, actually that could almost work after all China is one of the remaining super powers in this verse. (didn't know that until recently)

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I always liked in War Stories when Inara shows her client out, Jayne says "I'll be in my bunk" and Zoe comes out with "Jayne, grab your weapon". However, the script makes it clear this is to be obvious (to everybody but Jayne), so we can't really call it subtle.

Also, int the pilot, I've been mostly puzzled when at the end, Mal says to Simon that, among other things, he ain't weak, and that ain't nothing - I didn't see how he would be referring to Simon's physical strength, or strong doctoring skills, or strong fighting ability, but I didn't conjure a whole lot about it. Now it dawns on me that Mal was probably referring to Simon's rescuing River, defying the Alliance, saving an innocent - that is what Mal sees as strength, and that perhaps Simon is human enough, despite his upbringing and social status, that he and Mal can work out the sharing of mutual space for a while.

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Originally posted by rallem:
"Why Saffron was not affected by the poison on her lips was explained in the episode when Simon said that she placed the poison on a seal."


But the seal was on her lips, wasn't it? I like the theory that she had built up a tolerance for it, like in Princess Bride. That is totally in keeping with her character.



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Originally posted by DraginSpleen:
Got a couple real quick observations, first is one that was touched on previously about Mal bowing... The part that was excluded from The Train Job ep. but was in the script had Mal mistakenly curtsy as Simon was introducing River. As a follow up in Shindig during the dance with Inara, Mal begins a cursty at the start of the dance, catches himself, then bows instead :P (I love it!)
A second little one I noticed, though it was probably pretty obvious apart from the fact that I have recurring brain-farts: Jayne's busy stealing Simon and River's stuff while they're busy trying to get themselves 'lit on fire', in Safe, right? At the end of the episode, River steals Jayne's breadroll when they're having dinner. She knew what he did, and it was payback time! Pretty cool moment I hadn't noticed before. :D

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I always liked in War Stories when Inara shows her client out, Jayne says "I'll be in my bunk" and Zoe comes out with "Jayne, grab your weapon". However, the script makes it clear this is to be obvious (to everybody but Jayne), so we can't really call it subtle.

Also, int the pilot, I've been mostly puzzled when at the end, Mal says to Simon that, among other things, he ain't weak, and that ain't nothing - I didn't see how he would be referring to Simon's physical strength, or strong doctoring skills, or strong fighting ability, but I didn't conjure a whole lot about it. Now it dawns on me that Mal was probably referring to Simon's rescuing River, defying the Alliance, saving an innocent - that is what Mal sees as strength, and that perhaps Simon is human enough, despite his upbringing and social status, that he and Mal can work out the sharing of mutual space for a while.

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I know this response is for a post from almost a year ago, but I had to. I just rewatched the Pilot a few nights ago(for the 4,378th time ;P), and that thought hit me too, in regards to Mal viewing Simon as 'not weak' by the end of the episode, here are my thoughts...: Simon took two tremendous punches from the Captain in that episode alone. Not only was Simon NOT knocked unconcious, nor seriously bloodied, he had nary a tear in his eye. Mal found out that Simon can take one hell of a punch, and get right back up again! Kudos to the observation on inner strength as well, Simon is very strong and heroic in that respect too! I'm sure all of it factored in to Mal's growing respect for him. I just love the fact that Simon actually gets to finally deck Mal back on the movie! Paybacks are hell, ain't they?

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