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Originally posted by esme:
I don't think that recognizing the real dark dangerous power of sex and sex for a living (in any time period) is a blind spot, or intolerance.

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Originally posted by Zencat:

Out of Gas was so good, I watched it again immediately after it was over. Wow. The way the flashbacks were interwoven with the present-time was so beautifully done, I hardly realized that there were two sets of flashbacks going on. That's damn hard to pull off. Kudos to Tim Minear.

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Originally posted by Poetic4U:
It should be noted that "Out of Gas" was the original pilot episode for Firefly.

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Inara wasn't making googly eyes at Mal.

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Kaylee may be very innocent and lacking in the experience and that might make her appear to be very trusting. That however has absolutely nothing to do with having sex, contrary to popular opinion. So I don't think the sexuality in that scene was the least bit out of character.

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I agree completely. Kaylee is obviously very uninhibited, but that doesn't mean she isn't innocent and inexperienced.

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Originally posted by Thegn:

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Kaylee may be very innocent and lacking in the experience and that might make her appear to be very trusting. That however has absolutely nothing to do with having sex, contrary to popular opinion. So I don't think the sexuality in that scene was the least bit out of character.

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I agree completely. Kaylee is obviously very uninhibited, but that doesn't mean she isn't innocent and inexperienced.

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She figured out how to make the ...do-hickey run. While boinking a good-looking guy. Inexperienced? No. Just young

Sensou
Sweet is love when all is sane
Sweet is death to end the pain
Cruel is death when all is well
Cruel is love when all is hell <-fixed it!

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Originally posted by Undeadlord:
The only problem I had with the show was Kaylee's scene. ... The only think I don't like about it, was how out-of-character it seemed. Kaylee comes across as very sweet,innocent and naive, which I think is a part of her charm.

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Where do you get that from??? Bester was clearly an idiot from the moment he first walked on camera. And Mal knew it, but (it seems implied) hired him anyway because Bester was the best he could come up with.

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...not picking up on what Joss Whedon is trying to do with this show in terms of depicting complex, messy, multi-dimensional characters.

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Originally posted by Delvo:

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Where do you get that from??? Bester was clearly an idiot from the moment he first walked on camera. And Mal knew it, but (it seems implied) hired him anyway because Bester was the best he could come up with.

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OK, you got me on that detail, but the problem still remains: Just happening to pick up an outstanding engineer because she's screwing aboard the ship with the present one is still obviously just put in there for the sake of throwing in some meaningless sex. So it's still a cheap, lazy, sensationalist, preachy way to fill in a scene by falling back to the tired old you-can-put-it-anywhere-in-the-story default. Sex is the duct tape and caulk of TV; it's used to cobble together and patch over something that wasn't built right in the first place.

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...not picking up on what Joss Whedon is trying to do with this show in terms of depicting complex, messy, multi-dimensional characters.

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Either that, or we're tired of being preached at that throwing sex all over everything equals multidimensional, complex, deep, philosophical character development.

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Originally posted by Delvo:
Sex is the duct tape and caulk of TV; it's used to cobble together and patch over something that wasn't built right in the first place.

Either that, or we're tired of being preached at that throwing sex all over everything equals multidimensional, complex, deep, philosophical character development.

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Originally posted by kef:

While I WILL agree with you that sex is way overused in general on TV, I have to disagree about this particular instance. For me it was an amusing and unexpected way of introducing Kaylee's character. I would also point out that it's the only sex scene we've seen out of eight episodes, which I don't think is that bad. Particularly considering that one of the main characters is a prostitute.

We'll just have to agree to disagree!

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Originally posted by Sensou:

Well, there was the time with Inara, and Zoe&Wash, and, umm...the other time that I can't seem to remember, but you get the point.

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