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We know Inara has her reasons for not TAKING what she wants, she's dying, by keeping Mal at arm's length, she's thinking of him and not herself.

It's called self sacrifice, there’s no emotional cowardness in that.

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BTW, did anyone else notice Jayne playing with his girl's hair in the scene set in the HoG common room? Huh. Not sure what to make of that. He never struck me as the type who would play with a woman's hair, especially in front of everyone.

I wonder if he paints toenails?

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Although I have no solid proof, I think there is much more to Jayne than meets the eye.]

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I harbor the suspicion, OK delight in the pet theory, that he is secretly sweet on Kaylee.

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Again, I'm in full agreement, as you might guess, but you present the case much nicer than I did. Rather than getting involved myself I should have bit my tongue and let you make the case.

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Well, thank you kindly, Toady, but please don't bite your tongue and keep quiet. You've gotten some bona fide discussions going here, and I rather enjoy it. I'm rather thrilled to be able to talk Firefly somewhere where people aren't rolling their eyes at me.

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Well, I started out on this thread "why can't we all just get along" and then something turned. I got frustrated, then combative and then insulting, and that is no way to "win friends and influence people." But, I think I'm one of a few males on here, and I'm a crotchety old fart to begin with, so no doubt I approach things differently and I don't have an over abundance of either patience or tact. None of this helps my arguments.

Yeah, the rolling of the eyes thing, that would be my wife hahaha, or rather she just gives me a blank stare whenever I mention anything Sci-fi or Fantasy. This is the first time I've ever sought out a place like this so, either Firefly is just that good or I'm slipping into early senility.

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...I think harbour that same suspicion, and if Simon hadn't come along, I think he would have made a big, clumsy, play for her - not unlike the boy who set off a stink bomb in the trash can of my Dad's middle school English class in an attempt to impress a girl. (She was not amused.)

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OK. Obviously Kaylee is sexually attracted to Simon. We get that clearly from her conversation with Inara in Safe. But I doubt that her goal is sparkling conversation. Kaylee isn't a complicated girl, and thank God for that. Remember, she was sexually attracted to the doofus mechanic Mal hired before her and she boinked him in the engine room because "engines make her hot." hahaha Kaylee is a sexual girl and would mount Trigger given half a chance. haha

As far as being clumsy, who could be more clumsy than Simon? He continually insults her and the ship, hurting her feelings and pissing her off. At least when Jayne acts up it takes the form of good natured teasing. The first time it clearly hurts her feelings because it was in front of Simon who she just met and was trying to flatter. The second time Jayne teases her was while they were playing ball in the cargo bay and she hauls off and slugs him in the arm. If you notice, she was smiling while she slugged him. In Dead or Alive she cuffs Jayne in the back of the head because she thinks he is being insensitive. If she truly detested the man she would, like Inara, not come within a mile of him.

I think Simon is all wrong for her. Their personalities are incompatible and they have nothing in common, except that neither have been laid in a while. I think she wants Simon but I don't think she loves him. In the final battle, after he tells her he is sorry he had never "been with" her she says:"as in SEX?!" She is suddenly willing to fight...for sex. This is not an exchange between two people who deeply love each other.