date of firefly..the year is ? by JaynezTown

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date of firefly..the year is ?

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 11:29 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

maybe I wasn't paying enough attention the first time I watched

what time is it in firefly

?
when mal buys his ship or when the crew of serenity meet with the doc and shepherd what year is it ?

2200 ?

2400 ?

All I know is it's not any number before 2004

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 11:48 PM

PURPLEBELLY

A google for firefly timeline will give you any number of these,
but my usual plug for a community datasource:
http://www.fireflywiki.org/Firefly/FireflyTimeline

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 11:54 PM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
A google for firefly timeline will give you any number of these,
but my usual plug for a community datasource:
http://www.fireflywiki.org/Firefly/FireflyTimeline

that is good, but my impression was that Jayne joined the crew before Inara rented a shuttle.

In fact I thought Inara had come on board just shortly before the Tams & Book (like no more than weeks before)...

But yeah, definitely in the 2500's for the entire timeline

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Monday, August 2, 2004 3:52 AM

RHUTTNER

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

that is good, but my impression was that Jayne joined the crew before Inara rented a shuttle.

In fact I thought Inara had come on board just shortly before the Tams & Book (like no more than weeks before)...

In The Train Job, Inara said that shes been on the ship for 8 months. Although there is nothing to say how much time passed between Serenity and The Train Job, I don't think its very long based on River not really knowing where she is.

Also, there is no evidence pointing to Jayne joining before or after Inara rented the shuttle. That is speculative.

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Monday, August 2, 2004 4:38 AM

NEDWARD

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Originally posted by rhuttner:
Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
that is good, but my impression was that Jayne joined the crew before Inara rented a shuttle.
there is no evidence pointing to Jayne joining before or after Inara rented the shuttle. That is speculative.

I think there's good grounds for suspecting that Inara signed on before Jayne. When Inara looks around the shuttle, it's not fixed up yet, which to me implies Serenity hasn't set off on her journeys. (And, of course, Serenity needs Inara aboard for her ambassadorial role.) When Jayne and Mal meet, however, Mal and Zoe are clearly on a job.

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Monday, August 2, 2004 6:22 AM

RHUTTNER

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Originally posted by nedward:
Quote:
Originally posted by rhuttner:
Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
that is good, but my impression was that Jayne joined the crew before Inara rented a shuttle.
there is no evidence pointing to Jayne joining before or after Inara rented the shuttle. That is speculative.
I think there's good grounds for suspecting that Inara signed on before Jayne. When Inara looks around the shuttle, it's not fixed up yet, which to me implies Serenity hasn't set off on her journeys. (And, of course, Serenity needs Inara aboard for her ambassadorial role.) When Jayne and Mal meet, however, Mal and Zoe are clearly on a job.

Yeah, at first I figured that Mal rented the shuttle not too long after getting Serenity based on how the shuttle looked, but the shuttles may not have come with the ship. When Mal sees Serenity for the first time, at least the port shuttle is not there. So the shuttle(s) could have been purchased later. In fact in the shooting script Inara comments that the shuttle looks newer than the rest of the ship.

As for Jayne, its still speculation. Jayne could have actually been the first person to join. When Jayne and the other 2 were holding Mal and Zoe at gun point, where were Wash and either Bester or Kaylee? I would find it hard to believe that they would have left anyone else to run about the ship. Seems more likly they would have had the entire crew come out and even search the ship for other crew as well as the stuff they were looking for.

The only things we know for sure is that Bester came before Wash and Kaylee (from Out of Gas), Jayne has been there less than 4 years (from Jaynestown), and Inara has been there for about 8 months (from The Train Job).

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Monday, August 2, 2004 6:35 AM

NEDWARD

Quote:
Originally posted by rhuttner:
In fact in the shooting script Inara comments that the shuttle looks newer than the rest of the ship.

Aha. Thanks, really must read the scripts sometime.

I pull back my comment to the level of mere speculation.

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Monday, August 2, 2004 6:43 AM

RHUTTNER

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Originally posted by nedward:
Quote:
Originally posted by rhuttner:
In fact in the shooting script Inara comments that the shuttle looks newer than the rest of the ship.
Aha. Thanks, really must read the scripts sometime. I pull back my comment to the level of mere speculation.

Its funny this would come up today. I watched Out of Gas yesterday and was thinking about the order that everyone joined and realized you cant tell from what they showed. Its too bad there wasnt just a little bit more info to actually tell when Jayne joined.

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Monday, August 2, 2004 6:53 AM

SHEPHERDQ

Mal buys the ship.
Still sitting on the dirt side, Mal brings aboard Zoe.
Next on board is Wash as the ship appears to have had no repairs yet.
Jayne is next, as now the ship is flying and making runs. ( ship repaired by the Temp mechanic Bester )( note the poor state of bay repairs in Jayne scene in Out Of Gas )
Next is Inara.. Repairs are done to fly, but no kaylee touch anywhere in sight ( Note the webbing mess hanging in passage way, he is looking for long term passengers to get money to keep off the ground.
Kaylee is next and needing to fix the ship up Kaylee style.

The Journey is the worthier part.

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Monday, August 2, 2004 9:07 AM

MCFLY

I agree with most of that except for the Kaylee part. It was pretty clear to me that Wash and Kaylee came aboard before they ever got Serenity flying. It seems to me they had hired Wash, had their first job lined up and were only waiting for buddy to get the engines online to get to it. Then in stepped Kaylee to save the day. The rest came afterwords.

Just my take.

Hack the planet!

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Monday, August 2, 2004 9:39 AM

RHUTTNER

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Originally posted by McFly:
It was pretty clear to me that Wash and Kaylee came aboard before they ever got Serenity flying.

When Mal found Bester and Kaylee in the engine room, he said to Bester, "When we landed here you
said you just needed a few days before we were
space worthy again and is there somethin' wrong
with your bunk?"

So Serenity was flying before Kaylee, and possibly before Wash since Bester was hired first.

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Monday, August 2, 2004 12:51 PM

SHEPHERDQ

hmmm I do think Wash was before Bester as it was flying, and landed with Bester for repairs.. so Wash was aboard as pilot and looking at the cockpit when wash is checking it over looks like no repairs to bridge yet. still dirtside. but that one is a toughie as both Bester and Wash were needed to get her moving.

The Journey is the worthier part.

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Monday, August 2, 2004 1:03 PM

RHUTTNER

Quote:
Originally posted by ShepherdQ:
hmmm I do think Wash was before Bester as it was flying, and landed with Bester for repairs.. so Wash was aboard as pilot and looking at the cockpit when wash is checking it over looks like no repairs to bridge yet. still dirtside. but that one is a toughie as both Bester and Wash were needed to get her moving.

The Journey is the worthier part.

Bester was already on board when Wash was interviewing for the job. So Bester came before Wash.

It has been shown that Mal can fly Serenity and Zoe can fly a shuttle. For certain things a dedicated pilot may not be needed. But to do the kinds of jobs that they planned to, they would need a pilot. So its possible that Mal and Zoe flew Serenity before hiring a pilot.

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Monday, August 2, 2004 6:45 PM

THEREALME

I always assumed that the scenes in the Out of Gas flashbacks were in order chronologically.

The Real Me

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Tuesday, August 3, 2004 7:07 AM

SHEPHERDQ

I have no idea where you get that " It has been shown that Bester was on board before Wash" I have seen no such thing. Mal needs a pilot to do the work he intended, he is no pilot although anyone can sit watch to see if anything goes wrong.. Even sences with Inara he can not even work the shuttle properly.. nope, no way he is leaving dirt without a pilot.

The Journey is the worthier part.

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Tuesday, August 3, 2004 7:09 AM

SHEPHERDQ

Nope, the scenes are placed in the order that he goes back through the ship, each place he passes kicks in the flashback.. that is even mentioned in the commentary.

The Journey is the worthier part.

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Tuesday, August 3, 2004 7:50 AM

ARRGHYLE

Mal interviews Wash. Mal and Zoe discuss Wash, she doesn't like Wash. Mal says something like, "I've got a genius mechanic and, now, a hotshot pilot." Bester appears, wiping a tool and says, "Ain't never been called a genius before."

That's how I remember it, at least.

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Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:01 AM

RHUTTNER

Quote:
Originally posted by ShepherdQ:
I have no idea where you get that " It has been shown that Bester was on board before Wash" I have seen no such thing. Mal needs a pilot to do the work he intended, he is no pilot although anyone can sit watch to see if anything goes wrong.. Even sences with Inara he can not even work the shuttle properly.. nope, no way he is leaving dirt without a pilot.

Watch Out of Gas again. When Wash is interviewing Mal says: Look, we finally got ourselves a genius mechanic. It's about time we hired someone to fly the damn thing.

Then we see Bester.

So Bester was on board BEFORE Wash.

Since he said 'finally' and 'about time', that suggests that some time has past since he bought Serenity. I don't think Serenity was on the lot all that time. Mal and Zoe probably got Serenity running enough to get her off the lot. Then they hired Bester.

Like I said, Mal needs a pilot to do the work he wants to do, but both Mal and Zoe have flown shuttles so they may have flown Serenity until they hired Wash.

But bottom line, Bester came first.

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Tuesday, August 3, 2004 5:42 PM

SHEPHERDQ

So it seems the who came first is now pretty much resolved

Works for me !
Bless all those awake during OOG
Heck, Bless you all..

The Journey is the worthier part.

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