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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The claim of Serenity's top speed of 7% of Speed of Light (or 0.50Au/hr) is incompatible with canon of episode Safe.

In Safe, to get from Jaingyin to Greenleaf at top speed while Book bleeds to death, will take 10 hours.
Travel distance between these 2 planets, assuming not passing through the center of the Red Sun, is between 6.375Au and 7.312Au.
IF Serenity had instantaneous acceleration to top speed of 0.50Au/hr, then everybody here can clearly see that in 10 hours Serenity would cover 5.0 Au, which falls far short of 6.37Au - that would take at least 12.76 hours.
This claim is preposterous. Sorry.


Even if max velocity of Serenity was 10% of Speed of Light (0.72Au/hr), she would need near instantaneous acceleration to travel 6.375Au in 10 hours.
Unlikely.

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Mal might be estimating about 10 hours. He could be rounding 12.76 hours down to 10. Only River would really be so exact as to call it 12.76 hours.

I don't really have anything we could use to quick-patch the Beaumonde thing though. Moving it to the other side of it's orbit is a start, but 10 hours is a pretty set in stone number. And at these speeds relativity isn't really going to shave off much time.


Maybe the 10 hours Mal says to Beaumonde is really kinda a cruel comment/threat to Simon about kicking Simon off the ship before they get there? Sort of like in the pilot episode when he makes a similar threat that Simon "will be getting off a mite sooner" if he doesn't save Kaylee.

Or, he could just be underestimating the travel time by about half. Maybe if they had to make any stops on their way to Lilac after their meeting with Fanty and Mingo that set up the bank heist he doesn't know off hand the amount of time it'll take.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Yeah, that's the biggest potential logical pitfall of the interpretation.

Mal IS normally bankrupt, but as far as I can tell, not because he's bad at giving people correct arrival and departure times. Plus Inara would find it even more annoying if he was more than half a day late getting her anywhere.

But at the same time, if Mal's in an argument, has a lot on his mind, hasn't just done that same trip, and/or might be distracted and thinking of another route, I could see that maybe his first off hand estimate of how long a trip might take might be wrong.

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Originally posted by ElectricLion:
And I need to remind you that for all the focus on Beaumonde, the only way to make Beaumonde-to-Lilac work is to break something else.

AND... Beaumonde is too populous to work as a rim world. The entire population of the Blue Sun system is only 15 million after the loss of Miranda.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Have you found locations for the following:

Ita Moon?

Kowlonshi?

Kowlon Fed Base?

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Originally posted by YELLOWJACKET:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Have you found locations for the following:

Ita Moon?

Kowlonshi?

Kowlon Fed Base?

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Ita Moon is a satellite of Whittier in the Kalidasa System and is already featured in the Verse in Numbers and the ARC of the Verse.

Ita
S/2176(Whittier)01
Orbit: 968,688 km
Period: 68.80 days
Diameter: 900 km
Mass: 2.744x1019 tonnes
Surface Gravity: 0.9204 gn
Terraformed (year): Ongoing
Population: ~8,000+ (Terraform Crew + Depot Crew + other)

Notation from the Verse in Numbers:
Note: Ita is the smallest body in the Verse to undergo
terraforming. As a result, the terraforming efforts have
not been successful. Ita has become a test bed for
experimental terraforming techniques. In 2470, Ita
was chosen as a location for a secondary Alliance
orbital dry-dock facility. However budget restructuring
has left the Ita facility as little more than a holding
facility and scrap yard. “Towed to Ita” has become a
euphemism for permanent impound. While there is a
small used spaceship business at Ita, most ships leave
Ita in pieces. The scrap yards at Ita’s L4 and L5
positions are havens for small-time salvagers, both
legitimate and otherwise.

Kowlonshi is problematic, because I don't believe that it's been established whether or not Kowlonshi is a colony, city, moon or planet. The same goes for Kowlon Fed Base. I'd welcome anymore discussion about Kowlonshi and Kowlon Base.

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Thanks.
IIRC, Kowlonshi was listed as Kaylee's birthplace in the DVD extras on the Serenity Collector's Edition DVD. Other similar references were Shadow for Mal, and in space for Zoe. This implies Planet of birth.
If Kowlonshi was a planet, I have considered that Kowlon may have been a slang or abbreviated form of that, or the Fed Base was named for the same.
I had just figured that these seemed to be the final locations actually named in script or data, and would be top targets for conciliation in the data.

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Originally posted by yellowjacket:
I spoke with the creative forces at Margaret Weis Productions and the name Kowlonshi doesn't appear in an materials they have access to under their license for Firefly. Evidently, it's only on the Serenity extras, which begs the question, did Universal make it up, or did Joss lend that tidbit to them while working on the film?

I'm going to chase some more leads.

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Originally posted by yellowjacket:
I spoke with the creative forces at Margaret Weis Productions and the name Kowlonshi doesn't appear in an materials they have access to under their license for Firefly. Evidently, it's only on the Serenity extras, which begs the question, did Universal make it up, or did Joss lend that tidbit to them while working on the film?

I'm going to chase some more leads.

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Perhaps they derived it from the script mention of Kowlon Fed Base in the Pilot, which I think never got to the screen. Just a possibility I had considered.

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Originally posted by YELLOWJACKET:
Well…we had a little 'development'.

I asked Tim if he'd consider choosing a home planet for Kaylee, since Kowlonshi was never added to the Official Map of the Verse as a world, and no mention of it appears anywhere else but the bluray.

This lead to a discussion about the Red Sun System, since Mal mentions that they have work waiting for them on Paquin, a planet around the Heinlein protostar.

Long story short…Tim said this…

"You haven't detected Kaylee's Farradian accent? Seems so pronounced to me."

Now, this might be Tim being purposely vague, since FOX owns the rights and he may have no room to add canon where none exists. Setting that aside, let's discuss.

There is a Farraday in the Red Sun System. It's a moon of Harvest, along with Higgin's Moon. If this is where Kowlonshi is, then Kaylee grew up relatively near to Canton (or Jaynestown), but as it's implied that Jayne became a crew member after Kaylee, so the discussion of Canton likely never came up before the episode about Mudder's and Jayne's part in all of that.

It also improves the mythos, because it limits the whole 'Hero of Canton' to a narrow perspective and to the narrative of that episode and moon. Jayne never mentioned it before and no one knew about it.

Farraday is also an interesting choice, because it has a very small population and it's referred to as a 'prairie' world, so Mal's 'prairie harpy' comment ties well to Farraday. This would also mean that Kowlonshi is a place on a world and not a world itself. In short, it's a small, backwater 'rock' with prairie and a small population.

Thoughts?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I feel like we should announce somehow this info about Kaylee's home. But I don't want to get Tim in trouble.

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Do you think Kowlon Fed Base would also be on Farraday? The whole rest of Safe took place in Red Sun System.

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Now I'm thinking it a little weird that when departing Jaynestown, or heading for Kowlon Fed Base, no mention was made of Kaylee visiting her home.

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