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I have lost all faith in the Oscars!

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 8:12 PM

JYNNANTONNYX


...I am bewildered. I am shocked. I am ... flabbergahsted. The list goes on. While I was annoyed that "Serenity" didn't even get a nod I can't say I was particularily surprised. The Academy doesn't like those kind of films - too left field, "can't be quantified."

So you may be asking why am I so annoyed. I'm putting this in spoilers because I'm Australian and we aren't getting the Oscars on TV til tonight (damn you IMDB for flashing the results all over your screen)

Select to view spoiler:


Brokeback Mountain didn't win best picture. I mean, what the freaking hell!? Hey, I can live with Heath Ledger missing out, but this movie deserved the Best Picture award. What really gets my goat is that it was given to Crash - unoriginal and crappy. And crappified.



"Serenity" never had a chance - it wasn't about drugs. Maybe Simon should have developed a coke habit or something.


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Sunday, March 5, 2006 8:41 PM

THENCDUCK


I hear you loud and clear. In order to qualify for an Oscar your movie must either be about racisim, gays, or terrorist. SciFi or Fantasy movies are thrown out right away. The only chance they got is in special effects its a damn shame. Of the best picture noms the only one i saw was Crash, which I admit wasn't that bad and had some good directing, but wasn't even close to as good as Serenity to me.

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 9:08 PM

DINKY


Hahah Brokeback mountain, what a bad excuse for media.

Look I would share my opinion on the Oscars and several other award shows. But I'm afraid I would get plenty of replies disagreeing in a way that I don't feel like handling.

All I have to say is that I never had faith in the Oscars. And I don't need some award show telling me what movie's good.

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 9:19 PM

TIGER


You're right, Crash didn't deserve to win (I would have nominated Walk the Line instead in a heartbeat), but neither did Brokeback Mountain. I liked it a lot better than some people, but truthfully I would have been happy to see Capote win for screenplay, director, AND best picture.

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 9:36 PM

JYNNANTONNYX


It just makes me mad that the same kind of movies keep getting nominated and awarded. It makes me so gorram frustrated. To be honest, I didn't have much faith in the Oscars to start with but I always liked following the nominations.

Since I was about 12 my mum and I would try and watch all the movies nominated for best picture before the Awards so we could ponder and choose which one we think deserves to win. Quite often alot of them are only just released a week before the Oscars in Australia (or not even released at all). It always made me kinda gooey eyed for the movies.

Then I got older and wiser (ie more cynical) and the whole thing frustrates me. Each year I get more disallusioned with the movies that win awards. I'm glad that I've grown up and looked past the 'celebrated' films - they don't represent anything beyond what the Academy wants to represent this year.

I suppose in a world that a show like "Firefly" gets cancelled, yet we still have reality shows on every channel...well I couldn't have been expecting much

This must be what going mad feels like...

Also Tiger, I love your quote - did you hear it from "Equilibirium." Sean Bean gives me chills, and those lines made me crawl up into a ball and sob.

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Sunday, March 5, 2006 9:51 PM

TIGER


I was thinking this year was pretty good for the Oscars, considering all the best picture nominees were such high quality, well written, dramas without a hint of "pedantic blockbuster" among them.

No, I didn't get the quote from Equilibrium - well, I did hear it in that movie, but long after I fell in love with Yeats' work. :-) "He wishes for the cloths of Heaven", and "Second Coming" are my favs.

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Monday, March 6, 2006 1:07 AM

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Of the 5 nominated filmes, I watched Capote and Goodnight and Goodluck. Capote was the only one of the two worth a damn. Don't know why Walk the Line wasn't nominated before Siriana.

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Monday, March 6, 2006 1:49 AM

HAZE


The Oscars are a nauseating waist of time (no I’m not a fan).


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Monday, March 6, 2006 1:58 AM

GIXXER


Baffling.

You have $10. Blow it on

Brokeback, Crash, Syriana or Serenity?

No contest

I excluded "Walk the Line" because I'm with Jayne when it comes to the even remote possibility of a fair fight.

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Monday, March 6, 2006 1:58 AM

ALGUS


I thought Crash was an excellent film, and thought it never stood a chance of winning, it seems like it has more people who hate it then like it.

Science Fiction rarely, if ever, receives very many accolades from awards groups that aren't exclusively for science fiction. It's unfortunate, but it's a reality. And when it does win, its usually for something like effects.

Anyway, my opinion of the Oscars is this: Usually films with at least some substance are nominated, and usually films with pretty good performances are nominated, so I don't really care so much about which movie won the award as which ones were nominated. I'll try and watch the ones that were if I get a chance, and usually I'm not too dissapointed. I haven't gotten around to most of the films this year, but I caught almost all of last year's movies (and have Million Dollar Baby and Finding Neverland on DVD) and thought most of those films were excellent. But the Academy Awards are much more about internal Hollywood Politics then giving the film that most deserved it. So that's something you have to keep in mind too.

Ahh well, I was watching 3rd Rock From the Sun during the Awards anyway, so you can see how much I actually valued them :)

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Monday, March 6, 2006 7:44 AM

MATTCOZ


Quote:

Originally posted by JynnanTonnyx:
"Serenity" never had a chance - it wasn't about drugs. Maybe Simon should have developed a coke habit or something.

Simon with a coke habit, Book being kicked off the ship because he's black(I guess they forget about Zoe?), and Mal turning out to be sly. That would have got them nominated, probably would have swept the awards. Forget good storytelling and characters you care about, make it political or controversial! Oh, and the Operative turning out to be Inara's pimp and there's a song about how hard in the 'verse it is for him. (I tried to give the song a chance, but it was awful.)
Quote:

Originally posted by Algus:
Science Fiction rarely, if ever, receives very many accolades from awards groups that aren't exclusively for science fiction. It's unfortunate, but it's a reality. And when it does win, its usually for something like effects.

The original Star Wars was nominated for Best Picture, but other than that? Can't think of any.

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Monday, March 6, 2006 8:01 AM

KNIBBLET


I gave up after the Oscars hit an iceberg.

"Titanic" was one of the worst pieces of go seh I have ever suffered through. Halfway through the movie, I was begging them to drown already.

It won everything that year. That's when I stopped watching.

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Monday, March 6, 2006 1:11 PM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by JynnanTonnyx:
...I am bewildered. I am shocked. I am ... flabbergahsted. The list goes on. While I was annoyed that "Serenity" didn't even get a nod I can't say I was particularily surprised. The Academy doesn't like those kind of films - too left field, "can't be quantified."

So you may be asking why am I so annoyed. I'm putting this in spoilers because I'm Australian and we aren't getting the Oscars on TV til tonight (damn you IMDB for flashing the results all over your screen)

Select to view spoiler:


Brokeback Mountain didn't win best picture. I mean, what the freaking hell!? Hey, I can live with Heath Ledger missing out, but this movie deserved the Best Picture award. What really gets my goat is that it was given to Crash - unoriginal and crappy. And crappified.



"Serenity" never had a chance - it wasn't about drugs. Maybe Simon should have developed a coke habit or something.


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Serenity would have been nominated for an Oscar if Joss had made the character Simon a drug addict and gay.

River

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Monday, March 6, 2006 1:25 PM

20THCENTFOXHATER


I'm personally glad Crash beat Brokeback Mountain. Now, I guess most of you who disagree with me on this are going to call me a homophobe, or some crap like that. But let's face it, romance movies aren't the greatest movies around (except a select few), and one directed by the guy who did The Hulk, starring that bad actor named Heath Ledger.

Brokeback Mountain is an average, or just above average movie that deserves recognition, but not as much as it is receiving.

Crash shocks people, tells it how it is (in most cases), and just because it's "racist" doesn't mean it's not a good movie. Sometimes you need someone to drop something like racism right on your lap and yell "see! It actually does exist, and let's do something about it!"

I would have been far happier if Serenity, Lord of War, Sin City, or Batman Begins were nominated for anything (except Batman- it got one insignificant nomination).

Especially Serenity, and Sin City. I mean, come on, those should have gotten nominated for techical awards such as Visual Effects, Sound, Editing, Art Direction, or cinematography.

P.S.-as soon as the academy starts watching EVERY movie a year, and THEN judging them as Best this, Best that, then and only then, will I take them seriously.

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Monday, March 6, 2006 1:51 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by THENCDUCK:
In order to qualify for an Oscar your movie must either be about racisim, gays, or terrorist.



So, uh, how does that apply to (off the top of my head): Million Dollar Baby, Return of the King, Braveheart, Titanic, Shakespear in Love, A Beautiful Mind, or Gladiator?




I hadn't seen many of the films this year, but I thought they all sounded interesting - my town just doesn't tend to run many of these films, or if they do, it's only for a week and I often don't have time.

Crash being only Best Picture nominee I did see, I thought the acting was fantastic, and it was very nicely shot. Story-wise, I felt it was a slightly too contrived as far as the connections between characters, and waaay to heavy-handed with it's theme -- I thought it was a little over the top in the notion that everything that everyone does is motivated by race.

It was still an impressive, entertaining movie - just not, IMO, the best picture. Even from my admittedly limited knowledge of the nominated films (overall, not just best pic noms), I felt a couple were easily better. Personally, I would have chosen Batman Begins as film of the year, but out of the so-called "prestige" films that are generally up for Oscars, I thought The Constant Gardener was the best drama I saw last year.

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Monday, March 6, 2006 2:24 PM

JYNNANTONNYX


Quote:

Originally posted by mattcoz:
Simon with a coke habit, Book being kicked off the ship because he's black(I guess they forget about Zoe?), and Mal turning out to be sly. That would have got them nominated, probably would have swept the awards. Forget good storytelling and characters you care about, make it political or controversial! Oh, and the Operative turning out to be Inara's pimp and there's a song about how hard in the 'verse it is for him. (I tried to give the song a chance, but it was awful.)



Simon should have been a gay drug addict (adddicted to the sedatives he gives River) pining after Mal. Mal is in love with the space whore who wants to give up her life of sex and drugs (hey we all saw the syringe!) to be with Mal but in the end she gets killed by an client who can't bare to be apart from her.

I could just go on and on.

I didn't even end up watching the Oscars - Supernatural was on and then my boyfriend played playstation to all hours of the night. I shouldn't get to upset I suppose - most of my favourite movies were never mentioned at the Awards.

It's a shame that sci-fi/fantasy films are only ever considered for technical awards (LOTR excluded). They can't escape their genre. It reminds me when I used to make my mum watch Buffy with me - she couldn't get pass the whole vampire thing.
"Oh this is a cute show. It's about vampires"
"well no not really mum, it's about identity and the struggles of ..."
"oh look at the funny witch"
"...sigh"

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Tuesday, March 7, 2006 12:03 AM

GIXXER



"...So, uh, how does that apply to (off the top of my head): Million Dollar Baby, Return of the King, Braveheart, Titanic, Shakespear in Love, A Beautiful Mind, or Gladiator?..."





MDB - dunno

ROTK - racist as concerns Orcs. Gollum. That's as serious addiction problem as I've ever seen. Sam and Frodo. Pippin and Merry. Legolas with pretty much anyone of either sex he put his mind to pulling.

Braveheart - One man's Freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. The victors get to write the history. Mal did remark on the important distinction between being on the wrong and losing sides.

Titanic - racist as in locking up the Irish in steerage. (Floundering slightly - never bothered watching it. Hitting an iceberg, the boat sinks under the weight of all the Oscars, doesn't it?)

SIL - William Shakespeare has, at one time or another covered most plot lines, but racism in Othello and The Merchant of Venice. Drugs in a Midsummers Nights Dream and Romeo & Juliet. Er... that's my lot. I'm a Philistine.

BM - got me there

Gladiator - again on shaky ground, since it was so boring I never got to the end, but did he do a Spartacus, or overthrow the Empire or something? And the gladiator stuff. Goes without saying, a simmering hotbed of homoeroticism.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:19 AM

MER


I given up on Oscars ages ago when I noticed what would win and what wouldn't. If anybody who won an academy in the past is in it, the movie is going to win something by default. If it's insanely popular, it's going to win.
And this is regardless if you think that the movie sucks or not.

A lot of movies are trying to fit into the Oscars's formula.....which is dry and most likely bribeable.

I hate it b/c nothing that deserve to win since Lord of the Rings has won during my lifetime.
BrokeBack didn't really need the ocsars to have an award.

There's always a Sci-Fi like award or something.

Q: HAs an sci-fi ever won an academy award?

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Tuesday, March 7, 2006 11:18 PM

AUSSAY


Wow, ok

Well I thought Crash was a great movie. I saw all the oscar nominated films, except Goodnight and Goodluck, and thought it was definetly the best movie.

Brokeback was beautifully directed, Capote had a great performance and Walk the Line was well acted and all. Crash seemed a very real and frightening look at how anger in the world leads to intolerance.

Dont get me wrong, I wish Serenity was up there, but in terms of previous years when totally unremarkable movies have won best pciture, it was good to see a movie I thought was good get one

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Friday, March 10, 2006 9:42 AM

RABBIT2


Well, I still think Serenity has a fair chance of winning a Hugo this year.
A bit of `Ballot box stuffing` by all you browncoats out there might help though I think it will do fairly well anyway.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 9:51 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Gixxer:

"...So, uh, how does that apply to (off the top of my head): Million Dollar Baby, Return of the King, Braveheart, Titanic, Shakespear in Love, A Beautiful Mind, or Gladiator?..."





MDB - dunno

ROTK - racist as concerns Orcs. Gollum. That's as serious addiction problem as I've ever seen. Sam and Frodo. Pippin and Merry. Legolas with pretty much anyone of either sex he put his mind to pulling.

Braveheart - One man's Freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. The victors get to write the history. Mal did remark on the important distinction between being on the wrong and losing sides.

Titanic - racist as in locking up the Irish in steerage. (Floundering slightly - never bothered watching it. Hitting an iceberg, the boat sinks under the weight of all the Oscars, doesn't it?)

SIL - William Shakespeare has, at one time or another covered most plot lines, but racism in Othello and The Merchant of Venice. Drugs in a Midsummers Nights Dream and Romeo & Juliet. Er... that's my lot. I'm a Philistine.

BM - got me there

Gladiator - again on shaky ground, since it was so boring I never got to the end, but did he do a Spartacus, or overthrow the Empire or something? And the gladiator stuff. Goes without saying, a simmering hotbed of homoeroticism.



Er.. given the ammount of stretching done there, I'll assume this was tongue-in-cheek.

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Friday, March 10, 2006 10:53 AM

GUNRUNNER


Quote:

Originally posted by Gixxer:

"...So, uh, how does that apply to (off the top of my head): Million Dollar Baby, Return of the King, Braveheart, Titanic, Shakespear in Love, A Beautiful Mind, or Gladiator?..."



BM - got me there




There was the whole thing where the professor was thinking he war trying to stop Renegade Russians from setting off an A-Bomb in America so Terrorism right there, and I guess some slight racism with all the use of the term "Reds".

Anyways…

Joss should have kept that scene where Inara is helping train all the Companions! Every movie that had to do with same sex loving got nominated Serenity would have had to get in by default!

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:43 AM

MALSDOXY

I know what did this...


remember, it has nothing to do with 'us'...the viewers. these are given by their peers, those in the business and they saw something in 'crash' that perhaps we didn't...it is a very good movie, as were all the nominees...

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:11 AM

6250THOMAS


The Academy Awards lost me back in 1978 when Woody Allen's "Annie Hall" got best picture instead of Star Wars. Star Wars (The first movie, now Chapter 4) broke new ground of every kind in Hollywood and was really what innovation was all about. Instead, that one-dimentional twerp Allen gets it for some boring little sit-com movie. He's been playing the same neurotic character ever since.

Gladiator lost me when, 45 minutes into the film, Crowe's character, rushing home to rescue his wife and kid, stopped to camp below Mt. Whitney in Owen's Valley (California) before arriving back in Italy. Talk about a bad location continuity error!

Was "Serenity" even nominated for anything this year?

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:23 AM

OTMA


One thing about the Oscars . . .The voters don't have to have seen any of the movies they are voting on. None. You can be an Oscar voter even if you have seen no movies that year.
Oscar voters vote for the kind of movies they are supposed to vote for. Sometimes, they pick a deserving candidate. Seldom do they pick the year's best.
Most awards shows aren't about artistic quality anyway. The Grammys don't even pretend. Oscar would like to think it is, but it's vision is too narrow. And, of course, like the "World Series", it's really just about the United States, except for the "foreign film" category.
Mostly, the Oscars are a big industry party, all about pretension, hype, faux suspense, and deciding which female celebrities were the best or worst fashion plates (the men mostly dress alike)
In the end, the Oscars are just a movie beauty contest. Like any beauty contest, only those whose looks conform to the standard can win. To you, the most beautiful is the one you love. Serenity will still be flying long after this year's crop of Oscar nominees have passed on into Trivial Pursuit questions. We all know what keeps a ship flying. Works for movies too.

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:15 PM

MALSDOXY

I know what did this...


read the list of all the oscar best pic winners...there's quite a lot of susbtance there

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:40 PM

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OK - was anyone happy that Wallace & Grommit won for best long animated movie? I was ecstatic about that one. I liked The Corpse Bride and all - but love my Grommit!

The rest of the movies were ok and while I agree that I would have loved to see Serenity up there, I'm enough of a realist to know that was never gonna happen - I mean Joss never won an Emmy for writing for Buffy (although he was nominated for "Hush")and the show genrally only won make-up or music awards. "The Body" would have been a contender had the Emmys remembered to put it on the ballot - but they forgot until it was too late. Genre shows are just not given any credence by the ill-informed (i.e most of the American viewing public and the industry people who vote).

Anyhow - the awards were exactly what I expected. There is a point to remember that it's not supposed to be about the most popular movie (Otherwise Momma's House 2 and Saw 2 will be up next year - spare us!) - but about breaking new ground and artistic development as recognized by peers. Some of these had that - some of these pretended to have it which in Hollywood is sometimes one and the same. If it looks deep and sounds deep - it must be deep.

Anyways - I really watched for Jon Stewart - who I love and enjoyed him thoroughly so I was happy!!

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:02 PM

MALSDOXY

I know what did this...


Wallace & Grommit rule. so cleverly done.And yes, jon stewart saved it for us all, i would like a copy of that broadcast just for him

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:41 PM

OTMA


Quote:

Originally posted by MalsDoxy:
read the list of all the oscar best pic winners...there's quite a lot of susbtance there



You are right about that. many Oscar winners were classics, and many had stunning performances. I'd never dismiss a movie simply for being "Oscar worthy", but I wouldn't embrace one for that reason either. Some of the winners were just good movies, and all of them have detractors.
Star Wars vs. Annie Hall.
Acting talent? I haven't seen Annie hall, but I'd bet it wins. Even Star Wars fans usually admit to the wooden acting and bad dialogue.
Plot and story? Probably depends on what kind of story you like to hear.
Groundbreaking Impact on film making and culture? Star Wars, definitely.
Enduring characters? I'd bet there probably are people who loved Annie Hall, and felt the characters were like old friends. Nowhere near as many as the legions of Star Wars fans, but why belittle their experience? call it a tie.
Cinematography? Star Wars broke more ground, but it's story needed ground breaking effects. Annie Hall may have been filmed perfectly for the story it had to tell.
Was it a better movie? In some ways, probably yes. In others, no. By the criteria used by Oscar voters, yes. In a "Best Picture" vote by science fiction fans, it's not even in the running.
But did Star Wars have substance? It was an epic story, told with characters people immediately related to, in spite of the sometimes iffy acting and script. The development of the characters took the entire trilogy to come out fully, but it was there.
Besides, if the academy wanted me to take it seriously, they should have nominated Björk

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:16 PM

BREWSKI


Ahhh... I knew this was a cool website when I stumbled here.

I honestly have more faith in the Razzies than the Oscars.

My 5 favorite movies of the year were:

Batman Begins
The 40-Year-Old Virgin
Cinderella Man
Sin City
Serenity

Note: Before I get dissed for my movie choices... these are considered INSTANT CLASSICS in my book, and the difference between my ratings of these movies were very slight.

NONE of these 5 got Oscars. The only two movies I was happy to see getting Oscars were Wallace and Gromit and Reese Witherspoon for Walk the Line.

However, out of the Best Picture Oscar contenders, I did give Crash the highest rating. It's a good movie, but not a movie to make anyone comfortable seeing. Highly racial, and pretty condensed too.

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Monday, March 13, 2006 7:03 AM

MATTCOZ


Sin City not getting a single nomination was just ridiculous. It was a marvelous achievement in film making. For an awards show that claims to reward artistic endeavors, shutting out Sin City is a crime.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:23 AM

RAKARR


All I gotta say is that I for one liked "Crash" and like it got best picture.

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Monday, April 26, 2021 8:03 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Monday, April 26, 2021 8:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol... If it weren't for college "educated" white idiots and old people who've been programmed for generations to watch it every year, nobody would have watched that.

I talked to my grandma last night and she had just settled in to watch some TV after dinner and said she was going to watch the Oscars.

I said "you're not really going to watch that woke shit, are you?"

"What do you mean?", she asked.

"They round up all the worst people in the country and shove them all in a room so they can jerk each other off about how great they are and tell you why you're garbage."

Then she started repeating what some dude was talking about on the Oscars to me and said "oh... you're right. I'm sure I'll find something else to watch tonight."



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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

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Monday, April 26, 2021 9:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-sunday-april-25
-2021-oscars


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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

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Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:16 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


They are going to give a West Side Story remake an Oscar or some Gucci thing ?

China complained they in American have gone too globalist leftwing and the US should just be themselves and avoid all that 'PC' stuff which seems to Maoist for Chinese

Political correctness to destroy Hollywood's reputation one day
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202111/1240208.shtml

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Wednesday, December 22, 2021 8:46 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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