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FFF.NET mixed up because the cartel isn't playing nice.

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UPDATED: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 06:17
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Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:44 PM

Likes to mess with stuffs.

I apologize for the problems we're having with the fireflyfans.net domain. It seems that Network Solutions (the cartel) isn't playing very nice with TUCOWS and things got a bit out of sync with the domain. Hopefully by Monday things will get straightened out.

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:47 PM

PENGUIN

We've been getting the word out about some different work arounds to access the site...

I believe I speak for all Browncoats when I say THANK YOU for FFF.NET!

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:51 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

::gasps::

It's Haken!

(Don't ask. I just felt like doing it.)

(VERY IMPORTANT) Rules and voting: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=22892

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:55 PM

ASORTAFAIRYTALE

Yeah, the fireflyfans.net address hasn't been working for me, but when you leave out the "S", then it works just fine. I have no idea why.
But it's good to know that Haken's working on the problems!

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What's so amazing about really deep thoughts?

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:00 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
I apologize for the problems we're having with the fireflyfans.net domain. It seems that Network Solutions (the cartel) isn't playing very nice with TUCOWS and things got a bit out of sync with the domain. Hopefully by Monday things will get straightened out.

No worries Haken and no apologies. We are just grateful for the home!

ALL Hail HAKEN!!!!!!!!

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:09 PM

PENGUIN

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
ALL Hail HAKEN!!!!!!!!

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:41 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I'm so glad that fireflyfan mirrors fireflyfans! I would be going crazy about now without that. Thanks for that foresight, Haken!

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:52 PM

ANONYMOUS1

Quote:
Originally posted by yinyang:
::gasps::

It's Haken!

I agree!

And Thank you Haken.

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:58 PM

DAVESHAYNE

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
Hopefully by Monday things will get straightened out.

I know I speak for all of me when i say: Yay!

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:13 PM

BSCPANTHERFAN

And thanks to FollowMal for putting the workaround on some of the other sites out there. I've been going nuts the last day or so!

Thanks, Haken! The world's a brighter place because of folks like you!!

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:14 PM

REDLAVA

Thanks Haken for all that you are doing to keep our ship in the sky. Your the Kaylee of FFF.

Not that I think you're a girl or anything...it's just that you fix stuff and...I'll shut up now.

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Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:06 PM

FOLLOWMAL

Bumpin' this so folks can see what Haken said.

Thank you Haken for all you do!!

www.goodworkspresents.org

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Sunday, March 11, 2007 6:15 AM

STINKINGROSE

Bumping again because I can.

Folks over at the 76th site got the word out almost immediately.

It's an incestuous little 'verse, but it's ours!

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Sunday, March 11, 2007 6:35 AM

DARKJESTER

Quote:
Originally posted by Penguin:
Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
ALL Hail HAKEN!!!!!!!!

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

So Say We All!!!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

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Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:34 AM

CYBERSNARK

Thank you Haken! We knew you were looking out for us.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:37 AM

ODDSBODSKINS

Hey, just grateful for this place full stop ^^

Hope the sorting-out isn't stressing you out to ulcers ^_~

Do you like bread?

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Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:09 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Haken,
Not your fault, baby, we know that.

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Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:52 AM

CAPTAINCOUPI

No need to worry old bean.

Like the rest of the UK contingent, I'm just glad yer here.

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http://www.bigdamnthankyou.com/

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Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:24 PM

SOLAN

And for next time I shall actually know the mirror adress. :D

Keep up the good work, Haken. *cheers*

Every fear has a history.

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Monday, March 12, 2007 5:43 AM

ZOID

Solan, et al:

Fireflyfan.net is not a 'mirror site'. It's just a co-registered human-rememorable domain name, along with Fireflyfans.net, for the numeric Uniform Resource Locator (URL) of the server on which the site resides (lots of leetle files in a directory tree, just like on your computer's hard drive).

Specifically, Fireflyfan(s).net's numeric URL is 168.215.229.9, to which both domain 'names' are registered.

But rather than typing (or bookmarking) the domain name, one can always just use the numeric URL (i.e., http://168.215.229.9, or http://168.215.229.9/threadlist.asp?b=2, to get directly to the GenDis threadlist) and then bookmark that page (or set it as your homepage, as I have done for the past 3 years). Then just use that bookmark to get to the site.

Point is, one should not confuse a secondary domain name registration as a 'mirror', cuz it ain't. If fireflyfan(s)' server goes down, we're OoG 'til they get it fixed...

Explanatorily,

zoid

P.S.
I, of course, have tattooed my HOSTS file with "168.215.229.9 fireflyfans.net"; but there's one potential snag with this workaround. If -- at some later date -- Haken decides to move the site to another web provider's server(s), then the numeric URL will change. The site itself will still be usable to people who enter " www.fireflyfans.net", because Haken will transfer that domain name to the numeric URL.

The funny part will be that those who've tattooed their HOSTS file as I have, will have to (subliminal) remember to delete that line (and send Haken a check) (/subliminal), or else be unable to connect to the new site. That line tells my computer, "Every time I enter www.fireflyfans.net into my web browser, go to numeric URL 168.215.229.9." Which will no longer be hosting the leetle files that make up FFFn.

So, that'll be fun, when the time comes...
_________________________________________________

"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Monday, March 12, 2007 5:50 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
Fireflyfan.net is not a 'mirror site'. It's just a co-registered human-readable domain name, along with Fireflyfans.net, for the numeric Uniform Resource Locator (URL) of the server on which the site resides (lots of leetle files in a directory tree, just like on your computer's hard drive).

Sorry; it seemed to be mirroring the information, I figured it was a mirror. I'm not as techie-smart as you *bows in not worthy fashion* It got me through the rough patch, and that's all that matters to me

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

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Monday, March 12, 2007 6:10 AM

JORUNE

Thanks for the update.

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Monday, March 12, 2007 6:12 AM

DAVESHAYNE

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
The funny part will be that those who've tattooed their HOSTS file as I have, will have to (subliminal) remember to delete that line (and send Haken a check) (/subliminal), or else be unable to connect to the new site. That line tells my computer, "Every time I enter www.fireflyfans.net into my web browser, go to numeric URL 168.215.229.9." Which will no longer be hosting the leetle files that make up FFFn.

So, that'll be fun, when the time comes...

I intend to comment out the hosts file entry when I'm sure that the DNS problem is resolved. That way if a server change comes about I'm covered but if the DNS problem comes back it's a simple change to get the workaround back in place.

For the technically uninclined puting a # in front of a line in files like hosts tells the system to ignore that line.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Monday, March 12, 2007 6:19 AM

SHINYED

Thanks Haken for getting us flying again!
When I couldn't log on from home this weekend I first thought the Zena fans were up to no good....then I thought...jeeeeesh, maybe I've been banned, then I thought I really need to get A LIFE...ya know...something that's NOT Firefly intensive 24/7....then I remembered, I've been there, done that "normal life" thing...with all due respects to Jerry McGuire, FireflyFans completes me.

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Monday, March 12, 2007 11:16 AM

SOLAN

Zoid: Thanks for clearing that up. So it's basically two pointers going the same way. Since I never bothered to check IPs... *cough* Either way. We now know better. Thanks again. :D

Every fear has a history.

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Monday, March 12, 2007 11:31 AM

CHRISISALL

ZOID!!! LTNS!!

Deckard was NOT a replicant! (Zoidbait, HA HA HA!)

Chrisisall

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Monday, March 12, 2007 11:52 AM

CAUSAL

THE MAN. Thanks for the site, Haken. Feels like coming home, every time.

________________________________________________________________________
Grand High Poobah of the Mythical Land of Iowa, and Keeper of State Secrets

Captain, FFF.net Grammar Police

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Monday, March 12, 2007 1:28 PM

SHINY

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I'm so glad that fireflyfan mirrors fireflyfans! I would be going crazy about now without that. Thanks for that foresight, Haken!

Not to take away from Haken's "reader" mystique, but the actual reason he got that domain was that there was a reference to the site in the fan section of the Firefly DVDs but they spelled it wrong. :)

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I don't need a gorram back-spaceship driver!!!

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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:08 PM

ZOID

chrisisall wrote:

Quote:
ZOID!!! LTNS!!

Deckard was NOT a replicant! (Zoidbait, HA HA HA!)

Chrisisall

Oh, I've been back for about a month now (i.e, since the end of the football season, because I'm heterosexual and a Texan). Ever seen "Fever Pitch"? Same principle.

...And yes, Rick was definitely a Nexus-6, he just didn't know it. Then again, neither did Rachael:
Deckard: "She doesn't know."
Tyrell: "She's beginning to suspect, I think."
Deckard: "Suspect? How can it not know what it is?"
(NB: But of course, she didn't know, and neither did Rick.)

It's good to be back home, though. Posters on the Dallas Cowboys forums are, for the most part, utter morons. It's nice to engage in intelligent conversation for a change. (Speaking of which, re the Deckard Debate, "Nyah, nyah, ny-nyah, nyah!")

Respectfully,

zoid
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"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?" -Gaff (E.J. Olmos), Blade Runner, arguably the best science fiction movie ever filmed

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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:19 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
re the Deckard Debate, "Nyah, nyah, ny-nyah, nyah!")

He seemed to have pretty heavy-duty emotional responses- better than Rachael's...if he WAS a Nexus, he must have been a prototype with no termination date or something, he's lived a lot longer than four years!

Dog with a replicant bone Chrisisall

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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:22 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

I need chocolate.

FORSAKEN original

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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:35 PM

RMMC

Thanks, Haken! We really appreciate all you do for us and know it was beyond your control.

*****
RMMC

When we're down, don't frown. Come join the camp-out at serenitymovie.org.

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”I’m on a first name basis with your wrath, sir.” -- Lieutenant Eve Dallas & Officer Delia Peabody, Portrait in Death by J. D. Robb

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Monday, March 12, 2007 2:41 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by RMMC:
Thanks, Haken! We really appreciate all you do for us and know it was beyond your control.

SO SAY WE ALL!

Adamaisall

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Monday, March 12, 2007 4:39 PM

ZOID

'Dwarb' Chrisisall wrote:

Quote:
He seemed to have pretty heavy-duty emotional responses- better than Rachael's...if he WAS a Nexus, he must have been a prototype with no termination date or something, he's lived a lot longer than four years!

Rick's emotional responses were, if anything, less "heavy-duty" than the other replicants. Rachael gets quite disturbed when Deckard reveals the truth about her past, 'gifted' from Tyrell's niece (remember the story about the mama spider?).

Even Roy and Priss show a lot of emotion. "More human than human. That's our motto," brags Tyrell. Even Deckard marvels over his lack of sensation, of emotion, when he retires a skin job. In his encounter with both Leon and R. Batty, he is almost unafraid: pragmatic, yes; scared witless, no.

As to his apparent age, well, all the replicants have an apparent age older than 4 years, c'mon.

The point of 'replicant vs. actual human' is that you cannot tell them apart; as such, in every meaningful way, replicants are humans, soulful, and deserving of being treated with humanity. The movie is a thinly veiled allegory to slavery. De-humanizing the slave allows the master to control or dispose of 'it' as the master wishes.

Deckard is as much a 'slave' to the system as any of the replicants. He serves his masters, and is gifted by them with the illusion of a 'life', a photographically captured past and the illusion of a meaningful future.

To reprise Gaff's comment: It's too bad he won't live, but then again, who does?

Hijacking-ly,

zoid

P.S.
We're all 'replicants', working for the benefit of some dimly perceived master (usually, they're called 'shareholders')... Just not in the same sense as Roy, Priss, Leon, Zhora, Rachael and Rick Deckard were actually replicants.
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Monday, March 12, 2007 6:51 PM

JASONZZZ

Yeah, I'd definitely comment out the hardwired address translations in the hosts file, pretty sure Haken has a block of IPs that he can potentially move servers around if he sees the need to. If he does that, you might accidentally bring up some of his other projects instead of fff.net one day...

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
Solan, et al:

...
...

P.S.
I, of course, have tattooed my HOSTS file with "168.215.229.9 fireflyfans.net"; but there's one potential snag with this workaround. If -- at some later date -- Haken decides to move the site to another web provider's server(s), then the numeric URL will change. The site itself will still be usable to people who enter " www.fireflyfans.net", because Haken will transfer that domain name to the numeric URL.

The funny part will be that those who've tattooed their HOSTS file as I have, will have to (subliminal) remember to delete that line (and send Haken a check) (/subliminal), or else be unable to connect to the new site. That line tells my computer, "Every time I enter www.fireflyfans.net into my web browser, go to numeric URL 168.215.229.9." Which will no longer be hosting the leetle files that make up FFFn.

So, that'll be fun, when the time comes...
_________________________________________________

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Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:40 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

As to his apparent age, well, all the replicants have an apparent age older than 4 years, c'mon.

That's not what I meant, remember Roy almost crying? Then a quick change to not? Like a child (a FOUR year old)- emotions running rampant. Deckard controlls his emotions better because he's used to them; it's not that he feels any less. Therefore I postulate that he's had them much longer than a mere four years precisely because he controlls them so well.

Take this plane to LA 2019 Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:21 AM

GWEK

Hi, folks. Just wanted to say that when fff.net is down (and then back up!) we usually have a thread about it in our forum over at www.stillflying.net, so if this happens again and you need (or--better yet--can provide) news, feel free to head on over.

And while you're there, feel free to read our virtual continuation of the series. :)

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

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Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:33 PM

ZOID

Jack to the Future Chrisisall explained:

Quote:
That's not what I meant, remember Roy almost crying? Then a quick change to not? Like a child (a FOUR year old)- emotions running rampant. Deckard controlls his emotions better because he's used to them; it's not that he feels any less. Therefore I postulate that he's had them much longer than a mere four years precisely because he controlls them so well.

Take this plane to LA 2019 Chrisisall

Okay, now I can see where you were going with the remark. And you have a valid point where Roy, Priss, Leon and Zhora are concerned.

I'll confess. I was so reinvigorated by our little exchange last night that I rewatched th DC of Blade Runner. Upon reviewing it, my conclusion that Deckard is a replicant was only confirmed. For while your point of the off-world N-6's is valid, remember that Tyrell said Rachael was different, because of the memory implant...

Quote:
Tyrell: We began to recognize in them a strange obsession. After all, they are emotionally inexperienced, with only a few years in which to store up the experiences which you and I take for granted. If we gift them with a past, we create a cushion or a pillow for their emotions, and consequently, we can control them better.
Deckard: Memories! You're talking about memories!

For me, the telling "obsession" is the photographs. Leon left his in the hotel room ("Hotel Untervasser" = Underwater). Rachael presents a handful of photos to Deckard as proof she's "real". Deckard has a piano top full of photos.

Speaking of Rick's piano: He plays. Rachael plays, although she is unsure whether her memories of lessons were implanted or not ("You play beautifully," Deckard replies). It's like standard programming practice. Perhaps, as part of the break-in process for a new Tyrell-designed brain, they put it through the paces of learning the piano (since music ultimately boils down to mathematical relationships)...

And of course the big 'tell': All the replicants -- to include the owl -- have eyes that 'shine' like a dog's. In particular, in the scene in Deckard's kitchen in which Rachael asks if Rick will hunt her down ("No. I owe you one."), her eyes 'shine' as she stares straight ahead. In the background, out-of-focus, we see Deckard's 'eye-shine', too.

Of course, it should be pointed out that the movie and the original P.K.Dick novella bear very little resemblance to one another. I don't think Dick's Deckard was a replicant, for what that's worth. In "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", Deckard is like a particularly flat-footed Gestapo sergeant who hunts down timid Jews in hiding (the replicants). It was really an entirely different story, much more bleak and devoid of hope.
(NB: Although I did like Deckard's pet android sheep that he kept on his rooftop. Kinda like a penance for humanity crashing the global ecosystem.)

Respectfully,

zoid
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:54 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
In particular, in the scene in Deckard's kitchen in which Rachael asks if Rick will hunt her down ("No. I owe you one."), her eyes 'shine' as she stares straight ahead. In the background, out-of-focus, we see Deckard's 'eye-shine', too.

IMO Zoid, this is the strongest part of your argument, and something I noticed the first time I saw it back in '82. I take it as possible mis-direction, since the 'shine' is never referred to as being a replicant trait (why do Voit-Kamph? Just shine a flashlight in thier eyes), or it could be a wink at the audience to say "Look, they really aren't so different, heh heh".

In the end, I enjoy the ambiguity. Maybe he is one, maybe not. But everyone in the movie is human(as Kirk might say), in any case, and that's what it's all about for me.

Thanks Zoid, this was fun (again!).

Can't stop talkin' about his second favourite movie Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:17 AM

ZOID

chrisisall wrote:

Quote:
...Thanks Zoid, this was fun (again!).

Can't stop talkin' about his second favourite movie Chrisisall

Thank you, too, Chris. Like I said, after 6 months on the Dallas Cowboys Forums, intelligent discourse is a welcome breath of fresh air.

It was good to engage in a friendly discussion of my favorite sci-fi movie (with apologies to "Serenity"; but coming second only to "Blade Runner" and Ridley Scott is anything but faint praise, from me). On the other hand, there's no doubt in my mind that Firefly was the best series ever aired on TV -- foreign or domestic -- and that the Serenity pre/sequel would be at least as illustrious as the first movie (presuming we can beat the astronomical odds, once more).

See ya' around the ranch, pardner...

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
I apologize (and I'm sure I speak for c'isall) to everyone that our little personal hijacking of the thread might have upset. Forgive us.

...That's part of the attraction of this website: Old correspondents can catch up with each other, pretty much anywhere they'd like, without anyone getting too mad about it. Still, thanks for your forebearance and understanding...

v/r
-zed
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