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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike is basically righht, and I think that message should get through to him.

Myself, I ignore the word Jew, and all the other gratuitous adjectives. I find his posts to be fairly informative and insightful.

The counter argument I don't really understand. I'm never going to take *anyone's* word as gospel, I'm only *ever* using someone's post as a root to search from* so he whole sources thing also doesnt always make sense, though sometimes it does, like, i'd like to read more, ooint me somewhere.

* I even do this with frem who is quite credible. People who post from mainstream sources I usually end up ignoring because it tends to be stuff i've already read.

I like to read *all* opposing views, even those of nazis, and I'm jewish, and the descendent of holocaust non-survivors. I suspect Mince has a similar, but more mocking, take.


Nick

Think of it this way:

Would you really want a govt. Made entirely of democrats? Wouldn't such a discussion quickly degenate into a brain trust star chamber? Pretty soon, people would be reinforcing their own opinions, appointing themselves haralds of the truth, and no thinking would go on.

Now, take that logic and continue it to its logical extreme. If differing opinions are good, in that they make you think more, extreme differing opinions across an entire spectum are vastly superior, as they make you think even more.

Most lf the world's political systems have a much wider spectrum than ours (problem with a two party system) we need the outside perspectives of the lunatic fringe.

It's basically the same reason why the world community is better off with ahmadinejad than without him.

So, yeah, I'm likely to agree with a minority of what he posts, but the same is true of niki or auraptor. It's that minority that I'm here from. From everyone.

People don't get sent to troll country, only threads.

Everyone has something to contribute.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

There are occasions, Nick, albiet rare ones - he's not quite as crazy as he pretends to be, and while I get frustrated with him on many an occasion as well, I too am all for free speech, and view him as kind of our pet papparazi/tabloid vector.
There's also that I've a bit more sympathy cause I know at least in part how he got to be that way.

If dealing with PN is the only price free speech has around here, count thyself very, very lucky, cause I've seen much worse.

-Frem

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...oh and if you think having a government full of Dems would just become brain trust star chamber you missed the health care debates.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Just wondering why is Piratenews allowed to post the stuff he does outside of the troll country?

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Free speech is good but there should be a place for trolling and BS.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Just wondering why is Piratenews allowed to post the stuff he does outside of the troll country?

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Why not?

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There is no law requiring payment of income tax, since that law would be unconstitutional. All unconstitutional "laws" are void from inception, according to the US Supreme Court. - http://bit.ly/oXLLT5

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I'm just glad I did'nt miss out on one of the biannual ban Pirate News threads. Some of those who defend him now have wanted him banned in the past so don't feel like you are alone. I've always defend his right to post even though he pisses me off as much as anyone. I think the point that someone made about him believing his own crap is one of the most important reasons his posts have merit. I wish I could say the same about some of the other regulars here.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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Originally posted by SimonWho:

But the simplest reason why people like PirateNews should be banned is they're pure poison to a place like this. When every other thread is started by someone like him, with titles that are racist, homophobic, anti-semitic...

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"I have to admit that my news is pirate news, I'll still come here for one reason: It's just more informative and more efficient to keep up with what's going on in the world by coming here than it is by reading the news."
-DREAMTROVE jew

"A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs and Christians. It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe."
—Ralph Nader (homosexual Arab Semite from Lebannon), C-SPAN, 2003

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
www.khazaria.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Ashkenazim.html
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/culture/?id=35105

"It's a trick we always use it. When in Europe somebody cricize Israel then we bring out the Holocaust. When in this country somebody criticize Israel then they are anti-Semitic. The organization is strong and has a lot of money, and ties between Israel and the Jewish establishment is very powerful in this country. And that justify everything we do to the Palestinians."
-Shulamit Aloni, jewish minister of Israel, talking to lesbian jew Amy Goodman on Democracy Now
youtube.com/watch?v=j-Caq0h_Wds

"Jewish control of the media is preventing free Holocaust debate. Israel has fucked up United States foreign policy for years. [Jew Adolf] Hitler [Shicklegruber Rothschild] is an easy scapegoat throughout history and it's been used cheaply. Hitler was a Frankenstein -- there was also a [jewish] Dr Frankenstein. We're going to educate our minds and liberalize them and broaden them. We want to move beyond opinions. Go into the funding of the Nazi party. How many [jewish] American corporations were involved, from GM through IBM. [jew] Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated.”
-Jew Oliver Stone, Hollywood director
www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Review/article352668.ece

The Secret History of the United States: Jew Oliver Stone says jew banksters aided jew Adolf Hitler, Stone's JFK forced Congress to declassify Operation Northwoods signed by jewish General Lyman Lemnitzer
www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jaefUfWXwMYP_e7B
OeoYwU-aV9rg

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews become worse. This will assist in realization of our plans. I have an excellent idea -- I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends.”
-Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897

"We have a case of the Jew, a totally different species. The body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of members of all other nations of the world. Bodies of the Gentiles are in vain. An even greater difference is in regard to the soul A non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness."
-Rabbi Mendel Schneerson, Lubavitcher friend of George Bush Sr

"The Law of Return is Israeli legislation, enacted in 1950, that gives Jews, those of Jewish ancestry, and their spouses the right to migrate to and settle in Israel and gain citizenship. The law gives the right of return to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having a Jewish father or grandfather) and converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages). In the Law of Return, the State of Israel put into practice the Zionist movement's "credo" as pledged in Israel's Declaration of Independence and recognized by the League of Nations in 1922, when charging Britain with the duty of establishing a Jewish National Home, and by the United Nations within the Partition Plan of 1947 which provided for establishment of Israel as an independent Jewish state. Originally, the Law of Return was restricted to Jews only. A 1970 amendment, however, stated that, "The rights of a Jew under this Law and the rights of an oleh under the Nationality Law... are also vested in a child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew, the spouse of a child of a Jew and the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew". The Law of Return also excludes any "person who has been a Jew and has voluntarily changed his religion." The Supreme Court of Israel ruled in 1989 that Messianic Judaism ["Christianity"] constituted another religion, and that people who had become Messianic Jews were not therefore eligible for Aliyah under the law."
-Israeli Law of Return
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

"Messianic Jews [Christians] are not entitled to automatic Israeli citizenship, Israel's Supreme Court has ruled, concluding that their belief that Jesus was the Messiah makes them Christians instead of Jews. The ruling, published in Israeli newspapers today, supported Orthodox religious interpretations of the state's 1950 Law of Return. The law forms the basis of Jewish immigration to Israel. The law and its subsequent amendments define a Jew as a person born to a Jewish mother or who converts to Judaism and professes no other faith. Orthodox politicians have long sought a more precise definition, and the court's Christmas Day ruling has resolved one issue. The 100-page decision said that belief in Jesus made one a member of another faith and ineligible for automatic Israeli citizenship, The Jerusalem Post, Hadashot and Yediot Ahronot reported. A Supreme Court spokesman, Shmaryahu Cohen, declined on two occasions today to show the 100-page ruling to The Associated Press or comment on its contents."
-New York Times, Israeli Court Rules Jews for Jesus Cannot Automatically Be Citizens, December 27, 1989
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/27/world/israeli-court-rules-jews-for-j
esus-cannot-automatically-be-citizens.html

"Even an act of kindness by a Christian toward a Jew, such as giving a gift of food, can be interpreted as trying to convert the Jew to Christianity and can bring a 5 year prison sentence."
-Jew Jack Bernstein, assassinated by Mossad
http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/christian-persecution-aler
t-messianic-jews-arrested-in-israel/

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassI
D=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

"Fuck Obama! White Power! Fuck the niggers! Obama, who even knows if he was born in the United States? We haven't seen his birth certificate yet. I'm a jew, I'm Israel. Obama, I'm gonna teabag your ass and put it on youtube, faggot."
-White jews in Israel, June 2009
video: www.tu.tv/videos/feeling-the-hate-in-jerusalem-on-eve-of
http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2009/06/youth-in-israel-speak-out-about-
obamas.html
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1244371044168&pagename=JPAr
ticle/ShowFull
youtube.com/watch?v=Ze5dbxPO8cU

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassI
D=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

"Even an act of kindness by a Christian toward a Jew, such as giving a gift of food, can be interpreted as trying to convert the Jew to Christianity and can bring a 5 year prison sentence."
-Jew Jack Bernstein, assassinated by Mossad
http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/christian-persecution-aler
t-messianic-jews-arrested-in-israel/

The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel Where Christianity Is a Felony
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm

The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews - by Rabbi Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva, 9 Nov 2009
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/updated-version-of-the-com
plete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/

British court indicts Israeli minister for warcrimes in Gaza
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=41155

“Just the Jews are humans, the Non-Jews are no humans, but cattle.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Kerithuth 6b page 78, Jebhammoth 61a (goyim = human cattle)

“The Non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Midrasch Talpioth 225

“The Non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Orach Chaiim 57, 6a

“Sexual intercourse with Non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Kethuboth 3b

“The birth-rate of the Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Zohar II, 4b

“Everywhere they (the Jews) come, they will be the princes of the lords.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 104a

“I (Jahveh) make you (the Jewry) the ancestor of the peoples, I make you the selected one amongst the peoples, I make you the king over the peoples, I make you the loved one amongst the peoples, I make you the best one amongst the peoples, I make you the trusted one amongst the peoples.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Schabbat 105a

“Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Zohar I, 168a

“Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Babha Kama 113a

“The possessions of the goyim are like an ownerless desert, and everybody (every Jew) who seizes it, has acquired it.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, IV/3/54b

“When the Messiah comes, all will be slaves of the Jews.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Erubin 43b

“A proselyte who is under the age of three years and a day is permitted to marry a priest.”
-Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai, creator of Kabbalah

“As soon as she was of age one hour and did not protest she cannot protest any more.”
-Kethuboth 11a, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"Virginity comes back to the little girl under three years."
-Kethuboth 11b, Footnote 7, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"When a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when a girl is less than this 6, it is as if one puts a finger into the eye 7?"
-Kethuboth 11b, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"Because a boy under 9 is sexually immature, he can't throw guilt on the active offender, morally or legally."
-Sanhedrin 55a, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"The intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act."
-Kethuboth 11b, Footnote 1, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"A circumcision ritual practiced by some Orthodox Jews has alarmed city health officials, who say it may have led to three cases of herpes - one of them fatal - in infants. But after months of meetings with Orthodox leaders, city officials have been unable to persuade them to abandon the practice. The practice is known as oral suction, or in Hebrew, metzitzah b'peh: after removing the foreskin of the penis, the practitioner, or mohel, sucks the blood from the wound to clean it."
-Andy Newman, New York Times, "City Questions Circumcision Ritual After Baby Dies," August 26, 2005
www.piratenews.org/pedophile-jewish-rabbis-kill-babies.html
youtube.com/watch?v=yU0sIUtroQM

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat summer school."
-Jew Buffy Summers

"Those who give up liberty for security deserve to show their panties."
-Brock Samson

"Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
-Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to Jonathan Pollard (convicted CIA traitor and Mossad spy in USA) upon exiting Pollard's jail cell

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous."
-Knox County TN Emergency 911 Dispatch, Sept 11, 2001, 11am EST
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm

"Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals."
-FBI BOLO ("Be On Lookout"), 11 September 2001, 3:31 p.m., according to Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html
http://columbus.indymedia.org/node/13067

The first terrorist bombers arrested in USA on 9/11/2001 were Israeli Mossad says Fox News. There were over 500 of them, infiltrating US military bases and all police agencies. They were dressed as Muslims, "dancing in happiness" while watching and videotaping the World Trade Center explode. Despite FBI finding residue of explosives in their van, none of the Israelis were tortured to confess at Gitmo, and all were allowed to leave USA by Israeli US DOJ prosecutor Michael Chertoff who was then promoted to director US Dept of Homeland Security.
youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw
youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34250,00.html
www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20065.htm

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/obl_int.htm

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

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Originally posted by piratenews:
I'm a bad person because I don't want to murder millions of heterosexual Semites and 100s of millions of Christians in USA?

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
No, you're a bad person because you think that the Jews do and you spam this message board that has no connection to that topic whatsoever with endless threads, filled with racism, homophobia and anti-semitism.

To be honest, I don't think you're a "bad person". You're just a pain. And no, not the good sort, not a fearless crusader who overcomes the hatred and indifference of a heartless world. Just a pain.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

...and that is why I think he should not be allowed to post the way he does outside troll country. It is not so much what he is saying, but how, and how often he is saying it. Spam really is the key word.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:

Simonwho, I understand what you mean about how much of a turnoff it is to see _that all over the place. I wish PN would just post that stuff in RWED so it wouldn't piss off new folk. Then if they wanted to they could venture into RWED (not as bad as it looks people, I'm still alive in there) and read what they liked. But I get your point about not posting trashy stories with trashy titles in the TalkStory section. But Haken gets to decide.

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Originally posted by piratenews:
And your fanfic needs a proofreader. ]

Yes it does, are offering to do it?

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Originally posted by piratenews:

Did I post this thread in RWED?

Did I post this thread?

Do facts matter?

As for trashy stories, have you read M52NICKERSON's fanfic, measuring the size of Serenity's penises? (actually funny)
http://fireflyfans.net/showprofile.asp?u=46203

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...any publicity is good. So thanks!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Aw, that's no fair getting personal. I keep stories off limits in an argument.

I was unnecessarily harsh in the comments there. ._.

Also, everyone knows I have the trashiest fics on here. They're full of awful romance fluff and garbage.

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And your fanfic needs a proofreader.

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As for trashy stories, have you read M52NICKERSON's fanfic, measuring the size of Serenity's penises? (actually funny)
http://fireflyfans.net/showprofile.asp?u=46203

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Lol. I feel honored. Now I want to be a knight of the british empire

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Oh, and on fanfic.net I don't venture into the M section so if someone has an M fic they want me to read they have to ask me specifically and I'll consider it.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah, I know, but it tripped the prude anyway. So objectivity became o.o *rant*

Normally I'm better at reigning it in than that, sorry about that.

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And in PirateNews's case, it should be silence.

/Rimmer

There is no such thing as totally free speech. You're not allowed to shout fire in a crowded theatre, there are laws against slander and libel plus endless copyright restrictions. But the simplest reason why people like PirateNews should be banned is they're pure poison to a place like this. When every other thread is started by someone like him, with titles that are racist, homophobic, anti-semitic or all three, anyone who is a new Firefly fan will come here, see those threads and think "What a bunch of assholes" and leave, never to be seen again.

However, it's entirely Haken's choice - this is his site, his rules, his decision.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm sorry, but I get a little leery whenever I hear someone claim that this user or that is "killing this forum".

If there's anything that's killing this forum, it's probably down to the fact that it's a forum dedicated to a half-season show that was cancelled nearly a decade ago.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
DT, I think the concept you're trying to explain to PN is summed up in the Latin, post hoc, ergo procter hoc ("After the fact, therefore because of the fact").

The idea that there are Jews involved in some conspiracies doesn't mean that the conspiracies were enacted BECAUSE some participants were Jewish, any more than it means that they were enacted because of white people, or Muslims, or blacks, or any other single group.

And that is the part that PN will never understand. For him, if any Jew does anything bad, it's because all Jews are evil. If, however, a Jew does something GOOD, it's because he betrayed his people and acted against Jewish orders.

And that is the depth of PN's craziness.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Free speech does not mean garbage has to be allowed here. It just means the govt can't censor speech, and keeping the bs that PN posts to a reasonable level is NOT a violation of free speech. Dude has his own gig to get his views out. I for one could care less

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