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Yes, I've heard of it.

I think if sulfites were reduced to maybe a quarter of current levels that Autism, ADD, Asthma, Eczema, EDS and all the other related issues could be reduced by HALF. I don't think these issues could be completely eradicated, because DNA will always find a way to mutate. And I think there will always be people who eat crap while pregnant, get drunk, do drugs...

The first step here is to developing better tests. Right now there is only an inaccurate experimental test.

Even without testing, if pregnant women who have health issues themselves, or who were overweight were recommended to reduce their sulfite consumption levels, I think it could make an impact now. I've dropped 30 lbs just taking out sulfites, and I still eat plenty.

Not that this country understands ANYTHING well, much less healthy eating...

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Don't know AND don't care !

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Don't know AND don't care !

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And you do your anti-science, anti-critical thinking skill brethren PROUD, yet again.

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Trying to dig your way back outta this one, hmm?

What I wrote isn't that hard to understand, I explained it very clearly.
That you "don't get it" is on you. I can't fix THAT.

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but not a concern for me.

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But hey, knock yerself out. Go wild w/ the alarm bell and raising of the red flags.

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But hey, knock yerself out. Go wild w/ the alarm bell and raising of the red flags.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5149469/The-rate-food-allerg
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Food allergies have seen a 377 percent spike in the last decade
The 'other specific foods' category accounted for a third of all allergies leading experts to believe preservatives and sugars could be the cause
An analysis conducted by nonprofit FAIR Health extensively analyzed private health insurance claims between 2007 and 2016 to find the data

They see it, it's right in front of them...now how to make them understand????

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Maybe you, and they, are just getting bung infection.

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I just did a search for the difference between Sodium and Sulfur (rusty on the chemicals) and it turns out they make batteries.

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Why? Are the flu vaccines doing something bad?

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This is where I wanted to post the flu vaccination story.

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Anybody heard of the new study showing those injected with vaccines and still survive are something like 23 times more likely to spread the contagion they were injected/infected with.
So the vaccinations create the "herd" to be carriers and distribute, disseminate it to the whole population.

Heard parts of the discussion on Clyde somebodies radio show Ground Zero.

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That sounds like it could be interesting if you could provide just a wee bit more information for follow-up.

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I recall mention of mere breathing being the spreading action, and flu vaccines causing the neurological disorders. But I don't get a good hit on searching. The specific link was given, and was admitted to be hard to find, but I didn't write it down while driving.

OK, try groundzeromedia.org with Clyde Lewis. Shots In The Dark show dated 31 Jan. I cannot check that content at this time. On the show he did recite a specific link address.

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I would just like to add that the reason Keto diets are working so well for people that don't have epilepsy is because they are most likely reactive to sulfur in some way or have connective tissue defects and it has dried them out and caused inflammation. Once you balance the levels of healthy fats -if you have those issues- your body no longer needs to hold on to all the extra.

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They talk here about dried potato flakes and peanut butter and shelf stable preservative filled foods and obesity in Native American tribes...

Dried potato flakes have so much sulfite in them they make me throw up. Peanut butter gives me stomach cramps that are so violent they mimic the other effects of a heart attack.

It's awful we as a country are still trying to kill them off.





https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/02/25/588098959/how-might-tr
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Both of her parents worked full time, but "it just wasn't enough to support a family," she says. They relied on government provisions for meals. Breakfast was often a grain like farina served with powdered milk with water added to it. "A lot of times we had mashed potato flakes — you add water, too – and maybe canned peaches, and if you had any vegetables, it was canned. And that was pretty much it."

The effects of this kind of government commodities-based diet can be seen all around Indian country, says Jernigan, now a University of Oklahoma researcher who studies the impacts of food environments on Native American health. "There's even a name for it – it's called 'commod bod.' That's what we call it because it makes you look a certain way when you eat these foods."

The name, she says, is a joke, but the health implications of this kind of diet are anything but funny. American Indians and Alaska Natives are at least twice as likely as whites to have Type 2 diabetes, and they have 1 1/2 times the rate of obesity as non-Hispanic whites, according to the government statistics.

Scientists think one explanation for these health differences may lie in what is called the "thrifty gene" theory, which suggests Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to obesity and diabetes. But these diseases didn't become prevalent until tribes adopted a more processed Western diet, notes Elizabeth Hoover, who is of Mohawk and Mi'kmaq ancestry and teaches about indigenous food movements at Brown University.

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It actually costs quite a bit of time and money to grow veggies. Tillers, irrigation equipment, seeds, fertilizer, know how.

I cannot speak for the fertility and economic situations of all tribal lands, but I would not want to be a gardener, either.

Between the arthritis, the outdoor allergies, and the heat intolerance, it's really not a possibility for me. Growing edible crops is also not as easy as just sticking seeds in the ground.

Most of the poverty on reservations is due to lack of jobs because people don't invest in poor areas, and because they don't own land and cannot mortgage it as an asset to build a business, and because EVERY business has to go through dozens of approvals processes. Their young that are intelligent enough leave and don't come back.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/03/13/5-ways-the-government
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They talk here about dried potato flakes and peanut butter and shelf stable preservative filled foods and obesity in Native American tribes...

Dried potato flakes have so much sulfite in them they make me throw up. Peanut butter gives me stomach cramps that are so violent they mimic the other effects of a heart attack.

It's awful we as a country are still trying to kill them off.





https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/02/25/588098959/how-might-tr
ump-plan-for-food-boxes-affect-health-native-americans-know-all-too



Both of her parents worked full time, but "it just wasn't enough to support a family," she says. They relied on government provisions for meals. Breakfast was often a grain like farina served with powdered milk with water added to it. "A lot of times we had mashed potato flakes — you add water, too – and maybe canned peaches, and if you had any vegetables, it was canned. And that was pretty much it."

The effects of this kind of government commodities-based diet can be seen all around Indian country, says Jernigan, now a University of Oklahoma researcher who studies the impacts of food environments on Native American health. "There's even a name for it – it's called 'commod bod.' That's what we call it because it makes you look a certain way when you eat these foods."

The name, she says, is a joke, but the health implications of this kind of diet are anything but funny. American Indians and Alaska Natives are at least twice as likely as whites to have Type 2 diabetes, and they have 1 1/2 times the rate of obesity as non-Hispanic whites, according to the government statistics.

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This last piece is exactly right. It was the introduction of European foods, white flour, sugar and the like that has cause obesity and diabetes rates to sky rocket in American and Canadian Indians. I've known that for years.

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They talk here about dried potato flakes and peanut butter and shelf stable preservative filled foods and obesity in Native American tribes...

Dried potato flakes have so much sulfite in them they make me throw up. Peanut butter gives me stomach cramps that are so violent they mimic the other effects of a heart attack.

It's awful we as a country are still trying to kill them off.





https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/02/25/588098959/how-might-tr
ump-plan-for-food-boxes-affect-health-native-americans-know-all-too



Both of her parents worked full time, but "it just wasn't enough to support a family," she says. They relied on government provisions for meals. Breakfast was often a grain like farina served with powdered milk with water added to it. "A lot of times we had mashed potato flakes — you add water, too – and maybe canned peaches, and if you had any vegetables, it was canned. And that was pretty much it."

The effects of this kind of government commodities-based diet can be seen all around Indian country, says Jernigan, now a University of Oklahoma researcher who studies the impacts of food environments on Native American health. "There's even a name for it – it's called 'commod bod.' That's what we call it because it makes you look a certain way when you eat these foods."

The name, she says, is a joke, but the health implications of this kind of diet are anything but funny. American Indians and Alaska Natives are at least twice as likely as whites to have Type 2 diabetes, and they have 1 1/2 times the rate of obesity as non-Hispanic whites, according to the government statistics.

Scientists think one explanation for these health differences may lie in what is called the "thrifty gene" theory, which suggests Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to obesity and diabetes. But these diseases didn't become prevalent until tribes adopted a more processed Western diet, notes Elizabeth Hoover, who is of Mohawk and Mi'kmaq ancestry and teaches about indigenous food movements at Brown University.

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Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

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I had been under the impression these were more common. Either I'm just not finding them, or they are less prevalent.

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Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

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Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

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Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

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Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

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This is part of what I was wondering. I know some of it was substandard. Was all of it?
And now, with these new Ag practices, essentially indoors and year-round in wintery climates, can these be utilized to counter the disadvantage that Tribes have? Can a Nation just have Tribal land allocated to build upon, or improve upon, and generate produce by and for Tribal members? Or is there too much drug addiction to withstand the actions that Wishi described, like theft, of TribL property?

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Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

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Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

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This is part of what I was wondering. I know some of it was substandard. Was all of it?
And now, with these new Ag practices, essentially indoors and year-round in wintery climates, can these be utilized to counter the disadvantage that Tribes have? Can a Nation just have Tribal land allocated to build upon, or improve upon, and generate produce by and for Tribal members? Or is there too much drug addiction to withstand the actions that Wishi described, like theft, of TribL property?

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JSF, you have to understand that what you are talking about in the here and now has it roots in what happened 200years ago.

Tribes in the US that I knew about that were agriculturally based before the European arrival were the Hopi and Cherokee.

I looked up also the Zuni as well as the Omaha and the Ponca.

Tribes like the Dakota, Cheyenne, Crow, Apache, my own and others were not agricultural to begin with. Hunters and gatherers.

Your ancestors had centuries to get into a stationary society. We had it foisted on us by the US gov. We were told to change a whole way of living, a whole way of thinking in a year or two. Government agents would watch us to make sure we were "learning" how to do all this.

Weapons such as guns were taken away that we hunted with and then the government decided maybe some of those should be given back. Trade in alcohol, residential schools.

This has all played into what has happened. Tribes are working on getting out of it. It takes time, 200years of wrong isn't going to be fixed in 50years. This is my feeling and what I know of the subject.

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Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

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Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

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This is part of what I was wondering. I know some of it was substandard. Was all of it?
And now, with these new Ag practices, essentially indoors and year-round in wintery climates, can these be utilized to counter the disadvantage that Tribes have? Can a Nation just have Tribal land allocated to build upon, or improve upon, and generate produce by and for Tribal members? Or is there too much drug addiction to withstand the actions that Wishi described, like theft, of TribL property?

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JSF, you have to understand that what you are talking about in the here and now has it roots in what happened 200years ago.

Tribes in the US that I knew about that were agriculturally based before the European arrival were the Hopi and Cherokee.

I looked up also the Zuni as well as the Omaha and the Ponca.

Tribes like the Dakota, Cheyenne, Crow, Apache, my own and others were not agricultural to begin with. Hunters and gatherers.

Your ancestors had centuries to get into a stationary society. We had it foisted on us by the US gov. We were told to change a whole way of living, a whole way of thinking in a year or two. Government agents would watch us to make sure we were "learning" how to do all this.

Weapons such as guns were taken away that we hunted with and then the government decided maybe some of those should be given back. Trade in alcohol, residential schools.

This has all played into what has happened. Tribes are working on getting out of it. It takes time, 200years of wrong isn't going to be fixed in 50years. This is my feeling and what I know of the subject.

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Yes, thanks.

The ag-based Tribes were also nomadic, right? Planted crops and returned later to harvest, right? I remember corn graineries have been found from centuries ago.

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Yes, JSF...growing corn will fix EVERYTHING.

It'll totally make up for lack of industry, isolation, poverty, and a century or two of institutionalization.

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Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

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Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

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This is part of what I was wondering. I know some of it was substandard. Was all of it?
And now, with these new Ag practices, essentially indoors and year-round in wintery climates, can these be utilized to counter the disadvantage that Tribes have? Can a Nation just have Tribal land allocated to build upon, or improve upon, and generate produce by and for Tribal members? Or is there too much drug addiction to withstand the actions that Wishi described, like theft, of TribL property?

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JSF, you have to understand that what you are talking about in the here and now has it roots in what happened 200years ago.

Tribes in the US that I knew about that were agriculturally based before the European arrival were the Hopi and Cherokee.

I looked up also the Zuni as well as the Omaha and the Ponca.

Tribes like the Dakota, Cheyenne, Crow, Apache, my own and others were not agricultural to begin with. Hunters and gatherers.

Your ancestors had centuries to get into a stationary society. We had it foisted on us by the US gov. We were told to change a whole way of living, a whole way of thinking in a year or two. Government agents would watch us to make sure we were "learning" how to do all this.

Weapons such as guns were taken away that we hunted with and then the government decided maybe some of those should be given back. Trade in alcohol, residential schools.

This has all played into what has happened. Tribes are working on getting out of it. It takes time, 200years of wrong isn't going to be fixed in 50years. This is my feeling and what I know of the subject.

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Yes, thanks.

The ag-based Tribes were also nomadic, right? Planted crops and returned later to harvest, right? I remember corn graineries have been found from centuries ago.

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No they weren't. Hopi and Zuni were Pueblo Indians which is why they had graineries that are now being found archaeologically.

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