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Friday, March 16, 2012 7:45 AM

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IO9.COM - Science fiction and fantasy are known for their amazing comebacks. Just like the heroes that genre fiction celebrates, many of the best-loved creators of science fiction and fantasy have come back from huge setbacks, or left the genre altogether and then come roaring back. Because we always support our genre heroes. Here are 10 creators of science fiction and fantasy who've made (or are making) amazing comebacks...


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Friday, March 16, 2012 11:49 AM

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10) Joss Whedon
It's not too soon to throw Whedon in here. Sure, he will always have his Browncoats and Buffy fantatics — but he was on the verge of becoming a cult icon rather than a real, honest-to-gosh creator of stuff the general public sees. And this is shaping up to be the year of the Joss. First of all, it's almost impossible to imagine any scenario where Avengers isn't a hit, at this point. And there's tons of buzz for Cabin in the Woods, the long-delayed indie horror movie that Whedon co-wrote and produced. Plus the supernatural rom-com he wrote, In Your Eyes, also might come out this year. It's almost hard to remember that Whedon had one big-screen flop (sorry, Browncoats), a Wonder Woman project that died, and a TV show that limped into oblivion.



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Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:52 PM

JEANDUPONTEL


There is no doubt The Avengers will be a mega hit; what i'm waiting for is Joss whedon's behaviour once it will come.

Will he be strong enough to keep his legendary cool attitude and modesty.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:02 PM

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:36 AM

LWAVES


As usual the writers of the article clearly show that they have no idea what they are talking about.

Joss Whedon:
Regarding the section on Joss I wonder if the 'TV show that limped into oblivion' refers to Firefly or Dollhouse. Whilst neither show 'made it' FF has such a strong and loyal fanbase and is continually referenced that there is no way it can be considered to be in oblivion. Even Dollhouse got two seasons and has it's fans out there, that is hardly oblivion either.
Then there is the reference to the failed Wonder Woman project that most folks would think was the TV show that tried to launch last year when I believe it was a much older film project that didn't get anywhere. Like so many many other projects, this isn't unusual. I lay good odds on every established actor, producer, writer and director having multiple failed projects.
Then there is Serenity being a flop. It may not have been a big hit, it may not have made enough money but there is no way it could be considered a flop. They need to look up the meaning of the word in relation to TV shows and films.

Peter Jackson:
I found King Kong to be a highly enjoyable film. Good but not great and certainly not a disappointment. It was a little too long and the stampede was silly but the rest of the movie was fine. I also liked (and own) The Lovely Bones although I can see why people may not like the film. As for not having another hit between then and The Hobbit how about a little movie called TinTin? Strange how they missed that one out so that it fitted their agenda.

Ridley Scott:
Even worse than the section on Joss is the one on Ridley. They even state that he has remained successful but just because he hasn't done a sci-fi movie for a long while they consider it a comeback (from what??). I see it as a return to the genre. There was nothing bad for him to have comeback from.

Christopher Lee:
What? He didn't get Dr No but they failed to mention that he played Scaramanga in a later Bond movie and a very popular villain he was too.

Tim Burton:
I'm a huge Burton fan but his movies have always been up and down in what people liked. I really like Sleepy Hollow and Big Fish but I would have to agree that POTA and Mars Attacks are terrible.

Rant over.

Just two more things to quickly say:
1) This article was supposed to be 10 Comebacks but they list 11. There are two at position 8 so they can't even count.
2) The writers are called Ben and Jennifer. Bennifer. Nuff said.



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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 6:22 AM

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Lwaves Wrote:

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Tim Burton:
I'm a huge Burton fan but his movies have always been up and down in what people liked. I really like Sleepy Hollow and Big Fish but I would have to agree that POTA and Mars Attacks are terrible.



but... but... Mars Attacks has Tom Jones singing "It's not unusual" at the end! *sulks* I thought it was funny



But L. Being a fellow Burton fan I have to say since the 21st century started Burton has just not been himself. Big Fish the one exception. Thereafter he seems to have just been off slightly. LIke almost but not quite...

Looking forward to Frakenweenie and Dark Shadows though. Seems to be more within his schtick!


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Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:23 AM

LWAVES


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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

but... but... Mars Attacks has Tom Jones singing "It's not unusual" at the end! *sulks* I thought it was funny



But L. Being a fellow Burton fan I have to say since the 21st century started Burton has just not been himself. Big Fish the one exception. Thereafter he seems to have just been off slightly. LIke almost but not quite...

Looking forward to Frakenweenie and Dark Shadows though. Seems to be more within his schtick!



I thought you might rise out of your grave at the mention of Burton.

I do agree that he hasn't been himself this century. Both Charlie And The Chocolate and Alice In Wonderland lacked the essential ingredients that make a film a Tim Burton film. I don't actually dislike CATCF as much as some do, I find it watchable, but Johnny Depp (an actor I greatly admire) just doesn't work as Willy Wonka. I understand that he wouldn't want to copy Gene Wilder's performance but what we ended up with was way short of his usual quality.
Alice In Wonderland is slightly mixed in my opinion and I think part of the problem is the actual story itself. I only have a passing familiarity with the original stories and I gather the film is a mash up of Adventures In Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass (I could be wrong). But, like most people, I know the basic story of Alice and this film doesn't appear to do anything different or bring anything new. When I heard that Burton was going to be doing this I thought 'Great, now we are going to get a darker take more akin to American McGee's Alice'. But it wasn't and I think it was a badly missed opportunity. There were a couple of stand-out performances and it was visually stunning but the rest seemed by-the books and safe.

On the plus side, as well as Big Fish, I really like Corpse Bride. It reminds me of 80's Burton and features a lot of his 'trademarks'. And I really like stop-motion animation so I'm kind of biased. Nightmare Before Xmas, Coraline, all the Wallace And Gromits, Chicken Run etc are all excellent IMO.
I think we mentioned Sweeney Todd before and, putting aside my personal taste, it is a good film - it looks great, it's dark and the songs are fine but I just really don't like musicals. I would have preferred a straight, non-singing version. It's still a good film though.

As for his new projects you mentioned: Frankenweenie - Burton, Depp, stop-motion, Sparky and a twist on a familiar tale. What's not to love?
Dark Shadows - The trailer reminds me fondly of Beetlejuice, Sleepy Hollow and Edward Scissorhands which is a very good thing. A truly excellent cast, dark, offbeat humour, excellent sets and locations. Depp seems to have a handful of his previous Burton characters in him with a little bit of Keaton's Betelgeuse. Chloe Moretz (this girl will go far) has elements of Winona Ryder from Beetljuice and that dark, brooding attitude. Should be a good, fun ride and I'm really looking forward to both of these.



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Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:09 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by lwaves:
Dark Shadows - The trailer reminds me fondly of Beetlejuice, Sleepy Hollow and Edward Scissorhands which is a very good thing. A truly excellent cast, dark, offbeat humour, excellent sets and locations. Depp seems to have a handful of his previous Burton characters in him with a little bit of Keaton's Betelgeuse. Chloe Moretz (this girl will go far) has elements of Winona Ryder from Beetljuice and that dark, brooding attitude. Should be a good, fun ride and I'm really looking forward to both of these.

On your say so, I watched the trailer, which gets entertaining once it is past the horror and arrives in the land of lava lamps and VW microbuses, 1972. Teen Chloe Moretz, slouching: “Are you stoned?” Vampire Johnny Depp, haughty: “They tried stoning me.”



The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, March 23, 2012 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

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I thought you might rise out of your grave at the mention of Burton.


Ha,ha. Topical :D

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I do agree that he hasn't been himself this century. Both Charlie And The Chocolate and Alice In Wonderland lacked the essential ingredients that make a film a Tim Burton film. I don't actually dislike CATCF as much as some do, I find it watchable, but Johnny Depp (an actor I greatly admire) just doesn't work as Willy Wonka. I understand that he wouldn't want to copy Gene Wilder's performance but what we ended up with was way short of his usual quality.


Yeah I agree totally. I thought visually the route he took was just off the mark, and the whole production felt almost obtuse with the interpretation of the book. As though he'd absorbed the text but decided his vision would prevail... Pity because this was not the story to do that with.

Quote:

Alice In Wonderland is slightly mixed in my opinion and I think part of the problem is the actual story itself. I only have a passing familiarity with the original stories and I gather the film is a mash up of Adventures In Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass (I could be wrong). But, like most people, I know the basic story of Alice and this film doesn't appear to do anything different or bring anything new. When I heard that Burton was going to be doing this I thought 'Great, now we are going to get a darker take more akin to American McGee's Alice'. But it wasn't and I think it was a badly missed opportunity. There were a couple of stand-out performances and it was visually stunning but the rest seemed by-the books and safe.


I've not seen this yet. Mostly because by now I had found that Burton works best with his own imaginings. Adaptations are not his thing. A few exceptions to the rule of course, but something about this seemed too familiar already.. I'll watch it one day...

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On the plus side, as well as Big Fish, I really like Corpse Bride. It reminds me of 80's Burton and features a lot of his 'trademarks'. And I really like stop-motion animation so I'm kind of biased. Nightmare Before Xmas, Coraline, all the Wallace And Gromits, Chicken Run etc are all excellent IMO.
I think we mentioned Sweeney Todd before and, putting aside my personal taste, it is a good film - it looks great, it's dark and the songs are fine but I just really don't like musicals. I would have preferred a straight, non-singing version. It's still a good film though.



Ahh Wallace and Gromit. Fantastic. Nightmare Before Christmas is wonderful, Corpse Bride I was so so with but loved the design. (I almost got to work on it too. Bummed that I didn't) I couldn't deal with Sweeny Todd. I watched it with my girlfriend who loves musicals and she loved it... Me I just wanted to turn the volume down.

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As for his new projects you mentioned: Frankenweenie - Burton, Depp, stop-motion, Sparky and a twist on a familiar tale. What's not to love?
Dark Shadows - The trailer reminds me fondly of Beetlejuice, Sleepy Hollow and Edward Scissorhands which is a very good thing. A truly excellent cast, dark, offbeat humour, excellent sets and locations. Depp seems to have a handful of his previous Burton characters in him with a little bit of Keaton's Betelgeuse. Chloe Moretz (this girl will go far) has elements of Winona Ryder from Beetljuice and that dark, brooding attitude. Should be a good, fun ride and I'm really looking forward to both of these.:big grin:



Yeah they look good. Frakenweenie has always been a favourite of mine since the original. I still wonder why he didn't want to do a live action update. Anyway both look intriguing and more in line with his style.

In the future it's tricky to know where he can go really. I would kind of like him to venture into TV land but I doubt he'll do that. Thereafter I guess he'll just ferret out the gothic stories....Perhaps Notre Dame would benefit from a re-imganing?


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