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I'm not so worried about the "Last of US". I confess that I was only watching it for Pedro Pascal and the fact that it was filmed up here. Love seeing Alberta and for BC, see if I can tell where it was filmed. That's an old game, I used to play with X-Files.

As for the Doctor, I am sure somewhere along the line it will be brought back. It was after Peter Davison's doctor it was pulled, then again after either Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy's run at it. Then it was brought back with Christopher Eccleston.

I will miss it to be sure but I can only watch it on DVD now, since it was moved to streaming by Disney.

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I'm not so worried about the "Last of US". I confess that I was only watching it for Pedro Pascal and the fact that it was filmed up here. Love seeing Alberta and for BC, see if I can tell where it was filmed. That's an old game, I used to play with X-Files.

As for the Doctor, I am sure somewhere along the line it will be brought back. It was after Peter Davison's doctor it was pulled, then again after either Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy's run at it. Then it was brought back with Christopher Eccleston.

I will miss it to be sure but I can only watch it on DVD now, since it was moved to streaming by Disney.

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Now that the seasons are over, what did you think?

Sounds like maybe you didn't even finish TLOU Season 2, or didn't care much either way about it after they did what they did to Joel. I was kind of a dick being a spoiler about that when the show first came out, but I was really hoping for anyone watching it that they would have realized what a mistake that was and change it for the show. Or at least save that for the end of Season 2 instead of really early on like they did it in the game. And for the love of God, at least give Joel a death that had a purpose, and maybe some honor.

But I felt that people who didn't know the game should know that they were going to kill Joel and it was a pointless death.

That first game was beloved. I never got around to playing it myself, but when my brother came over one day with his old XBox 360 and a stack of maybe 40 games, he told me if I only play 3 of them, play these, and the first game was in that list. In fact, it was the only one he went into any detail explaining to me. (I would have played it, but I'm more into Role Playing Games and he had about a dozen in that bag that I would have played before a stealth zombie game even if it was a great story).

Then the 2nd game comes out and every gaming "journalism" site out there gave it straight 10/10 and 100% scores. Basically the best game ever made. And it only sold 25% the amount of copies the first game made when fans of the first game rejected it outright. And they still killed Joel right toward the beginning when they made the show 5 years later.

They had 5 years to fix that whole story arch and write better dialog, but the best they could come up with was lines like the "Bigot Sandwitch", and hardly made you think that Ellie was even effected by the death of Joel with her and her girlfriend having sex and smiling all the time, and not even getting into any arguments about anything. They might as well have been the same character if it weren't for much more boring solo sex scenes that I'm sure these weirdos would have filmed too.

There are people who railed on the game non-stop for a year that are coming out and saying that at least in the game the acting was top notch and the girl playing Ellie was phenomenal, given the dialog and story she had to work with. But I'm hearing the acting in the show is just mid-tier after Joel was gone and any of the meaningful plot beats that still happened in the game were almost all essentially dropped and most of the 2nd season was just the two girls walking around and talking to each other.

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I've never been much into Dr. Who and only saw a few episodes when Eccelson was the Dr. as far as I recall. It was fun camp when I watched it... clearly a UK production... but I could think of worse ways to burn an hour when I was channel surfing in my 20's. (They also were showing a really weird show called Lex at the time on the Sci-Fi/Sy-Fy channel that I'd also catch on occasion that was quirky as hell and I found just as enjoyable when I was couch surfing, though I never followed that one either. I think Lex might have been filmed in Canada?)

But I know a lot of people who have been very dissatisfied with that show for over 5 years now who just gave it up after watching it their whole lives. And this last season just sounded really, really awful.

I've also heard that the current Dr. cried in every single episode.

Because of this, and the super over-the-top flamboyancy while pretending that he's a ladies man or any kind of force to be reckoned with, let alone taken seriously, one guy I know always refers to Ncuti Gatwa as the first female Dr.

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I'm not so worried about the "Last of US". I confess that I was only watching it for Pedro Pascal and the fact that it was filmed up here. Love seeing Alberta and for BC, see if I can tell where it was filmed. That's an old game, I used to play with X-Files.

As for the Doctor, I am sure somewhere along the line it will be brought back. It was after Peter Davison's doctor it was pulled, then again after either Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy's run at it. Then it was brought back with Christopher Eccleston.

I will miss it to be sure but I can only watch it on DVD now, since it was moved to streaming by Disney.

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Now that the seasons are over, what did you think?

Sounds like maybe you didn't even finish TLOU Season 2, or didn't care much either way about it after they did what they did to Joel. I was kind of a dick being a spoiler about that when the show first came out, but I was really hoping for anyone watching it that they would have realized what a mistake that was and change it for the show. Or at least save that for the end of Season 2 instead of really early on like they did it in the game. And for the love of God, at least give Joel a death that had a purpose, and maybe some honor.

But I felt that people who didn't know the game should know that they were going to kill Joel and it was a pointless death.

That first game was beloved. I never got around to playing it myself, but when my brother came over one day with his old XBox 360 and a stack of maybe 40 games, he told me if I only play 3 of them, play these, and the first game was in that list. In fact, it was the only one he went into any detail explaining to me. (I would have played it, but I'm more into Role Playing Games and he had about a dozen in that bag that I would have played before a stealth zombie game even if it was a great story).

Then the 2nd game comes out and every gaming "journalism" site out there gave it straight 10/10 and 100% scores. Basically the best game ever made. And it only sold 25% the amount of copies the first game made when fans of the first game rejected it outright. And they still killed Joel right toward the beginning when they made the show 5 years later.

They had 5 years to fix that whole story arch and write better dialog, but the best they could come up with was lines like the "Bigot Sandwitch", and hardly made you think that Ellie was even effected by the death of Joel with her and her girlfriend having sex and smiling all the time, and not even getting into any arguments about anything. They might as well have been the same character if it weren't for much more boring solo sex scenes that I'm sure these weirdos would have filmed too.

There are people who railed on the game non-stop for a year that are coming out and saying that at least in the game the acting was top notch and the girl playing Ellie was phenomenal, given the dialog and story she had to work with. But I'm hearing the acting in the show is just mid-tier after Joel was gone and any of the meaningful plot beats that still happened in the game were almost all essentially dropped and most of the 2nd season was just the two girls walking around and talking to each other.

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I've never been much into Dr. Who and only saw a few episodes when Eccelson was the Dr. as far as I recall. It was fun camp when I watched it... clearly a UK production... but I could think of worse ways to burn an hour when I was channel surfing in my 20's. (They also were showing a really weird show called Lex at the time on the Sci-Fi/Sy-Fy channel that I'd also catch on occasion that was quirky as hell and I found just as enjoyable when I was couch surfing, though I never followed that one either. I think Lex might have been filmed in Canada?)

But I know a lot of people who have been very dissatisfied with that show for over 5 years now who just gave it up after watching it their whole lives. And this last season just sounded really, really awful.

I've also heard that the current Dr. cried in every single episode.

Because of this, and the super over-the-top flamboyancy while pretending that he's a ladies man or any kind of force to be reckoned with, let alone taken seriously, one guy I know always refers to Ncuti Gatwa as the first female Dr.

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Haven't seen Season 2 yet. I might catch it in reruns. I can get the channel it is on now, I think but I forgot about it with learning the new equipment from my cable provider. I will see it when it comes out on DVD for sure just to see what they did.

Don't think I heard about it being a game and I mean "The Last of Us". So, it meant nothing to me. I was curious and happened to think it was okay. I'm not much on zombie things anyways.

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Oh geez... sorry. I knew you were watching season 1. I figured you'd watched the entire 2nd season by now. When you do watch it, god bless ya, let me know what you think.

Yeah. It was a game at first. By the time the XBOX 360 came out, we really started to get some great interactive storytelling with top shelf hollywood actor talent doing a lot of the voices. I'm pretty sure our own Adam Baldwin has been in at least a dozen games over the years. And with the 360 they had developed a lot of filming tech, where they were actually filming real actors and then "animating" them into the games with that recorded footage.

The Last of Us (the first one) was not the first game to use this tech, but it was pretty early on in the usage before it became a lot more common. Somebody named Ashley Johnson played Ellie in the first game, and it was a much different portrayal than you see in the series. If memory serves, it may have been Ellen Paige who was in the first big-budget game that used this (at the time) new tech.

I mean, to be fair though, if you want to include rotoscoping tech, we'd been using filming in video games for a lot longer than that. A guy named Jordan Mechner made a game called Prince of Persia back in the early 90's and they filmed somebody doing all the movements and he used frames from that filming to overlay his sprite artwork on top of, and the end result was the smoothest movement you ever saw video game characters doing, which was then improved even more upon by games like the sci-fi classic Flashback.

Don't watch these whole videos, but I'm putting them up here so you can see what I mean by the fluid movement of the characters and how you can tell that there actually was some human movement in real life at some point before the final game came out.

Jordan Mechner's Prince of Persia:

This is the Super Nintendo version of the game and even though it was a later version than the originals that came out for the PC and a lot of british home computers of the day, the music alone is why I consider this version the best one. I love the dungeon song. The music and gameplay don't actually start until around the 6 minute mark. Whoever made this video took the time to film all the intro and demo sequences of the game and put them in there before they started playing it.


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And I forgot about "Another World". Another sci-fi classic that came out in between Prince of Persia and Flashback. (If I showed you the original DOS/PC version of Prince of Persia instead of the later Super Nintendo one I grew up with, you'd clearly see the evolution of the graphics from one Prince of Persia through Flashback...

This one was cool. It was kind of like the 2nd half of Enemy Mine when they started having some action in it. Just two beings alien to each other, only able to communicate in hand gestures and body language with each other (which was perfect for the low-tech hardware of the time) and they had to work together to survive.

(and wow... looks like this is a 25th anneversary version of it that's got all the bells and whistles and a much higher quality soundtrack than the Super Nintendo version had).

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I've been watching Dr. Who since Tom Baker was the doctor and I was in high school then. I was tooling around on Saturday night around midnight looking for something to watch when I landed on it. I remember the episode but not the title. I thought at the time it wasn't a bad show. At least it was sci-fi. It being British didn't bother me. Then a station from Washington State and believe it or not it was PBS, started running them from the beginning from William Hartnell as the first doctor and I watched those. They were run on Saturday afternoon, I think.

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Oh... Being British doesn't bother me. Born and raised with it. My old man loved Monty Python and Benny Hill and my grams watched all that British stuff on PBS and loved it. I think the "knock" there on my part was just how low budget everything looked, at least back when Eccelston was the doctor. All I remember about that show was an episode with those (I believe) famous robots that the Dr. dealt with on occasion. I loved how they all looked so cheap and probably were all sitting on top of roombas or remote controlled cars to move around.

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Yeah... It's a weird one. I don't think I would recommend it. Not unless you're into really weird stuff. It was funny though.

Oh... and the show was called Lexx... I just looked it up. And it went by two other names so it's possible that you do know the show but just by a different name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx

Looks like it was filmed primarily in Canada and Germany, but they did a lot of filming all over I guess.

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Lexx (also known as LEXX: The Dark Zone Stories and Tales from a Parallel Universe[1]) is a science fiction television series created by Lex Gigeroff and brothers Paul and Michael Donovan. It originally aired on April 18, 1997, on Canada's Citytv as four made-for-TV movies. Beginning with season two, the format changed to a traditional TV series with each episode running 45 minutes long. The series follows a group of mismatched individuals aboard the organic spacecraft Lexx as they travel through two universes and encounter planets, including a parody of Earth. The narrative includes irony, parody, and sex comedy, and explores ideas of fatalism, reincarnation, the afterlife, and the paradigm of good and evil.

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I have heard certain things but while the Doctor was never a real tough guy, he was a good person, who loved humans for some reason. . He did have his sensitive side, especially with Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Christopher Eccelston and David Tenant.

If I can find it somewhere I will take a look at it, just out of curiosity. I mean I saw the new Doctor at the end of the 60th anniversary episode with David Tenant. And was just a handing over of the torch.

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I'm not so worried about the "Last of US". I confess that I was only watching it for Pedro Pascal and the fact that it was filmed up here. Love seeing Alberta and for BC, see if I can tell where it was filmed. That's an old game, I used to play with X-Files.

As for the Doctor, I am sure somewhere along the line it will be brought back. It was after Peter Davison's doctor it was pulled, then again after either Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy's run at it. Then it was brought back with Christopher Eccleston.

I will miss it to be sure but I can only watch it on DVD now, since it was moved to streaming by Disney.

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Now that the seasons are over, what did you think?

Sounds like maybe you didn't even finish TLOU Season 2, or didn't care much either way about it after they did what they did to Joel. I was kind of a dick being a spoiler about that when the show first came out, but I was really hoping for anyone watching it that they would have realized what a mistake that was and change it for the show. Or at least save that for the end of Season 2 instead of really early on like they did it in the game. And for the love of God, at least give Joel a death that had a purpose, and maybe some honor.

But I felt that people who didn't know the game should know that they were going to kill Joel and it was a pointless death.

That first game was beloved. I never got around to playing it myself, but when my brother came over one day with his old XBox 360 and a stack of maybe 40 games, he told me if I only play 3 of them, play these, and the first game was in that list. In fact, it was the only one he went into any detail explaining to me. (I would have played it, but I'm more into Role Playing Games and he had about a dozen in that bag that I would have played before a stealth zombie game even if it was a great story).

Then the 2nd game comes out and every gaming "journalism" site out there gave it straight 10/10 and 100% scores. Basically the best game ever made. And it only sold 25% the amount of copies the first game made when fans of the first game rejected it outright. And they still killed Joel right toward the beginning when they made the show 5 years later.

They had 5 years to fix that whole story arch and write better dialog, but the best they could come up with was lines like the "Bigot Sandwitch", and hardly made you think that Ellie was even effected by the death of Joel with her and her girlfriend having sex and smiling all the time, and not even getting into any arguments about anything. They might as well have been the same character if it weren't for much more boring solo sex scenes that I'm sure these weirdos would have filmed too.

There are people who railed on the game non-stop for a year that are coming out and saying that at least in the game the acting was top notch and the girl playing Ellie was phenomenal, given the dialog and story she had to work with. But I'm hearing the acting in the show is just mid-tier after Joel was gone and any of the meaningful plot beats that still happened in the game were almost all essentially dropped and most of the 2nd season was just the two girls walking around and talking to each other.

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I've never been much into Dr. Who and only saw a few episodes when Eccelson was the Dr. as far as I recall. It was fun camp when I watched it... clearly a UK production... but I could think of worse ways to burn an hour when I was channel surfing in my 20's. (They also were showing a really weird show called Lex at the time on the Sci-Fi/Sy-Fy channel that I'd also catch on occasion that was quirky as hell and I found just as enjoyable when I was couch surfing, though I never followed that one either. I think Lex might have been filmed in Canada?)

But I know a lot of people who have been very dissatisfied with that show for over 5 years now who just gave it up after watching it their whole lives. And this last season just sounded really, really awful.

I've also heard that the current Dr. cried in every single episode.

Because of this, and the super over-the-top flamboyancy while pretending that he's a ladies man or any kind of force to be reckoned with, let alone taken seriously, one guy I know always refers to Ncuti Gatwa as the first female Dr.

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Haven't seen Season 2 yet. I might catch it in reruns. I can get the channel it is on now, I think but I forgot about it with learning the new equipment from my cable provider. I will see it when it comes out on DVD for sure just to see what they did.

Don't think I heard about it being a game and I mean "The Last of Us". So, it meant nothing to me. I was curious and happened to think it was okay. I'm not much on zombie things anyways.

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Oh geez... sorry. I knew you were watching season 1. I figured you'd watched the entire 2nd season by now. When you do watch it, god bless ya, let me know what you think.

Yeah. It was a game at first. By the time the XBOX 360 came out, we really started to get some great interactive storytelling with top shelf hollywood actor talent doing a lot of the voices. I'm pretty sure our own Adam Baldwin has been in at least a dozen games over the years. And with the 360 they had developed a lot of filming tech, where they were actually filming real actors and then "animating" them into the games with that recorded footage.

The Last of Us (the first one) was not the first game to use this tech, but it was pretty early on in the usage before it became a lot more common. Somebody named Ashley Johnson played Ellie in the first game, and it was a much different portrayal than you see in the series. If memory serves, it may have been Ellen Paige who was in the first big-budget game that used this (at the time) new tech.

I mean, to be fair though, if you want to include rotoscoping tech, we'd been using filming in video games for a lot longer than that. A guy named Jordan Mechner made a game called Prince of Persia back in the early 90's and they filmed somebody doing all the movements and he used frames from that filming to overlay his sprite artwork on top of, and the end result was the smoothest movement you ever saw video game characters doing, which was then improved even more upon by games like the sci-fi classic Flashback.

Don't watch these whole videos, but I'm putting them up here so you can see what I mean by the fluid movement of the characters and how you can tell that there actually was some human movement in real life at some point before the final game came out.

Jordan Mechner's Prince of Persia:

This is the Super Nintendo version of the game and even though it was a later version than the originals that came out for the PC and a lot of british home computers of the day, the music alone is why I consider this version the best one. I love the dungeon song. The music and gameplay don't actually start until around the 6 minute mark. Whoever made this video took the time to film all the intro and demo sequences of the game and put them in there before they started playing it.


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And I forgot about "Another World". Another sci-fi classic that came out in between Prince of Persia and Flashback. (If I showed you the original DOS/PC version of Prince of Persia instead of the later Super Nintendo one I grew up with, you'd clearly see the evolution of the graphics from one Prince of Persia through Flashback...

This one was cool. It was kind of like the 2nd half of Enemy Mine when they started having some action in it. Just two beings alien to each other, only able to communicate in hand gestures and body language with each other (which was perfect for the low-tech hardware of the time) and they had to work together to survive.

(and wow... looks like this is a 25th anneversary version of it that's got all the bells and whistles and a much higher quality soundtrack than the Super Nintendo version had).

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I've been watching Dr. Who since Tom Baker was the doctor and I was in high school then. I was tooling around on Saturday night around midnight looking for something to watch when I landed on it. I remember the episode but not the title. I thought at the time it wasn't a bad show. At least it was sci-fi. It being British didn't bother me. Then a station from Washington State and believe it or not it was PBS, started running them from the beginning from William Hartnell as the first doctor and I watched those. They were run on Saturday afternoon, I think.

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Oh... Being British doesn't bother me. Born and raised with it. My old man loved Monty Python and Benny Hill and my grams watched all that British stuff on PBS and loved it. I think the "knock" there on my part was just how low budget everything looked, at least back when Eccelston was the doctor. All I remember about that show was an episode with those (I believe) famous robots that the Dr. dealt with on occasion. I loved how they all looked so cheap and probably were all sitting on top of roombas or remote controlled cars to move around.

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Yeah... It's a weird one. I don't think I would recommend it. Not unless you're into really weird stuff. It was funny though.

Oh... and the show was called Lexx... I just looked it up. And it went by two other names so it's possible that you do know the show but just by a different name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx

Looks like it was filmed primarily in Canada and Germany, but they did a lot of filming all over I guess.

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I have heard certain things but while the Doctor was never a real tough guy, he was a good person, who loved humans for some reason. . He did have his sensitive side, especially with Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Christopher Eccelston and David Tenant.

If I can find it somewhere I will take a look at it, just out of curiosity. I mean I saw the new Doctor at the end of the 60th anniversary episode with David Tenant. And was just a handing over of the torch.

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Yeah. I know the Dr. was never a "Man of Action" as in a 1980's musclebound action star or anything. Being sensitive is fine for a man, especially if it's really earned, but it shouldn't be the core of the man in the show. That's why we have female actresses today and we're not having men play all the roles like we did back when Shakespeare was putting on plays.

It sounds to me like the newest doctor was just there to get beat up on and saved by his companion every episode while he gave a good cry somewhere in the middle. You should really listen to the behind the scenes interviews from the showrunners, particularly Russell T Davies. It's just awful even listening to that guy speak and to hear any of his opinions about anything. He's just an awful human being and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a camera or putting out anything that impressionable people will watch.

Chris Eccleston while at a panel with his companion Billie Piper was famously asked if he would ever consider coming back and reprising his role as the doctor and he said the only way he would ever consider it is if they fired all the showrunners, and he specifically said that Russell T Davies would need to go before he would even have a discussion with anyone about it.

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I'm not so worried about the "Last of US". I confess that I was only watching it for Pedro Pascal and the fact that it was filmed up here. Love seeing Alberta and for BC, see if I can tell where it was filmed. That's an old game, I used to play with X-Files.

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X-Files would have been during my party day hiatus from video games. I never played one of those. Was that a Playstation game?

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As for the Doctor, I am sure somewhere along the line it will be brought back. It was after Peter Davison's doctor it was pulled, then again after either Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy's run at it. Then it was brought back with Christopher Eccleston.

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Yeah. Given the history I'm sure it will be at some point. I actually knew that it was a huge comeback when I was watching Christopher Eccleston. I don't remember if that's because the Sci-Fi channel talked about it, or because I looked it up while I was at work after seeing it. I know when I saw it it was still probably 2 or 3 years before I had any internet outside of work or school still.

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No worries. Like said what attracted me to the show was Pedro and the fact it is filmed in BC and Alberta. Will let you know.

I know Adam Baldwin has done some voice acting over the years but without checking his page on the movie thing, I couldn't tell you what. I may have mentioned that video games are bad for me. I like them and played through high school but that was all before. I even had a nintendo and a Mario brothers game that I used to play every once in a while. I got rid of it because I wasn't using it enough.

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Bad for you because of the flashing? Yeah... A lot of those old games did a TON of that and we thought nothing of it until there were all those stories of kids watching that Pokemon cartoon and having seizures. From what I've seen and what I've heard, they are very, very sensitive about making sure that people with epilepsy are taken into account with these games now. If they're not outright games without any flashing, there's usually "accessibility" options under the hood to turn off any form of flashing in the game for somebody who shouldn't be exposed to it. I haven't played many new games in the last 10 years, but I've seen that from time to time myself when I'm in menus. Not just in the really expensive triple A games, but the $!0 and $20 dollar games made by indie teams are doing it too.

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From your description of Lexx, I think I do remember it now. Never watched it unless I caught just pieces of it channel surfing for me or my mum.

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Yeah... it was so weird. The "main" guy was like 20 years older than he should have been given all the weird sex-adjacent stuff that was along for the ride on whatever romp of the week was going on. He's like maybe the captian or the only one that was even close to fit to being in that role, but he was pretty much a dufus himself too. The sexual tension actually made it even more funny and absurd because it's like a sci-fi show where everyone should be on their best behavior, but this guy is like Benny Hill in space. But then he wasn't always like that and if memory serves the crew actually did care about each other beyond a superficial level (although nowhere near the real ties you saw in Firefly). It wasn't even a softcore porn thing, if you can overlook the fact that the titular character LEXX was wearing quite the revealing outfit every show. But really... I don't think it was any different than what the blond girl on Land of the Lost was wearing around the same time, and they were putting that show on with Saturday Morning Cartoons. Just a lot of innuendo surrounding everything.

Pretty much just take any Sci-Fi show you've ever seen on a ship, and make everything quasi-sexual and parody of it's genre to the point of perpetual absurdity and put a Benny Hill knock off up there with them and you've got LEXX.

I'd probably at least attempt to watch it again myself if I ever get back into watch TV shows again. I know between seeing that and right now I've forgotten more shows that I've watched than I remember, so for me to remember LEXX when I only caught one of those 1st season "movies" and maybe a dozen episodes and I still remember it today.

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No, the Doctor never was as you could see from the actors hired to play the character. It was earned. I mean each version of the Doctor could be tough and even fight to a certain degree but the foundation was the Doctor always relied on his brain. And each actor had to be able to bring to the character certain aspects of the last actor to play the character. Tom Baker's doctor had more of Patrick Troughton's doctor in him. Sort of silly, always able to laugh but you had the sense that the character could be dangerous as well.

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And that's what I'm talking about right there... I think Hollywood has forgotten how to make that balance. They want to feminize males and they've forgotten how to write males (who aren't interested in other males, anyhow... and I would guess only half of them too, if you really think about it for a few seconds). There is nothing I have seen in any advert or any coverage of the newest doctor that anybody could ever believe it when he's trying to be threatening or have any air of danger surrounding him at all. It would just rip you right out of the show when he's carried on the way he did the rest of the episodes and those before it.

Brenda.... They had an episode this season where they were on the "Planet of the Incels".

That's an insult that Wishy threw my way every day. Like 5 years ago. And we've still got to hear that made up word that activists made up to shut down arguments with people they don't agree with. It's just one of many reasons this show is getting cancelled now. People are done listening to all that decisive crap all the time. And stuff like that is just put into every episode now. And not just Doctor Who... pretty much everything that anybody loved before.

It's just a slog. We need to go back to escapism in movies and TV again. We know the real world sucks. That's why we're watching TV. To escape it.

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Jodie, the only woman to play the doctor was okay but the one actor that really got under my skin was Matt Smith. It took me all three seasons of his version of the Doctor to get used to him and he was the youngest and maybe that was why. My favourites were Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Christopher Eccleston and David Tenant. I've also loathed some of the companions too. Donna for one, another one was Martha. Most of the early companions were okay.

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Eccleston was a good one... that's good to hear. The only thing I ever saw him in was a year or two earlier in the movie 28 Days Later, and boy was that a much different character. He just seemed so likeable as the Doctor, and his relationship with Piper just seemed to have boatloads of chemistry between them. If it weren't for their dynamic I probably wouldn't have stuck around for a few more episodes whenever I caught it. They seemed really friendly with each other all those years later when they were at that panel together too. They probably have really kept in touch all these years in between.

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Okay that is so wrong for the Doctor it is not funny. Well, the Doctor usually has to save a companion or two because someone kidnaps them to get at the Doctor. Think I heard some of that interview with Christopher Ecclestion. Course it didn't help the show any when someone was put in charge of the BBC, who actively hated the show. He had to wait until one series and I think it was Sylvester McCoy's first series was up before he could can it. There was a big uproar over that everywhere it was aired. People flooding the BBC with complaints, not that it did any good. That is very true in Elizabethan times it was considered inappropriate for a woman to be doing something like that. It was a kin to being a lady of the night.

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I'm just hoping for you that people will want it to come back. That's the problem with all this stuff they've been doing. There's making fans lose interest, then there is doing genuine, near-impossible to reverse brand damage. That's what has happened to most of the things I grew up with and had fond memories of. You couldn't pay me to watch any of it. I hear the last few Ghostbusters movies were pretty decent, but I have no interest in that after what they did. I never saw a Disney Star Wars production, and I never will.

They showed us old and pathetic Indiana Jones, not once, but twice. Just reminding fans who were essentially using him as an avatar for their own adventure while watching the original trilogy just how old and close to the end they are, and to make way for the newer and better and smarter generation to take over.

They made Willow a bitch. They made Val Kilmer's Madmartagen a bitch. Now the group of girl boss main characters are doing all the ass kicking and beating up guys that are 3 times their size because Girl Power when none of it is believable or even makes any sense.

That's just a very short list. At this point it's just happened so much you're better off counting the stuff that they didn't get around to ruining before the free money ran out.


I just tell everyone, that you make "Canon" whatever you want canon to be. For me, there are only 3 Star Wars movies and nothing else. Some would add in the prequels and maybe some video games or some extended universe books or comics. Some might even add in one or all of the Disney films.

Whatever you want, that's what you watch. But don't let anyone tell you that they've decided for you how the story goes. They may own the copyrights to those stories as far as courts are concerned, but nobody can tell you what to do with them in your own mind.

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I still love British shows today. Benny Hill, man again something I watched through high school. Good Neighbours. On the Buses when I was much younger and my dad was still alive. Yup, can't really beat them. My library has a whole bunch of British tv series and movies. I just picked up something the other day or so ago with David Tenant in it.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
I'm not so worried about the "Last of US". I confess that I was only watching it for Pedro Pascal and the fact that it was filmed up here. Love seeing Alberta and for BC, see if I can tell where it was filmed. That's an old game, I used to play with X-Files.

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X-Files would have been during my party day hiatus from video games. I never played one of those. Was that a Playstation game?

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As for the Doctor, I am sure somewhere along the line it will be brought back. It was after Peter Davison's doctor it was pulled, then again after either Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy's run at it. Then it was brought back with Christopher Eccleston.

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Yeah. Given the history I'm sure it will be at some point. I actually knew that it was a huge comeback when I was watching Christopher Eccleston. I don't remember if that's because the Sci-Fi channel talked about it, or because I looked it up while I was at work after seeing it. I know when I saw it it was still probably 2 or 3 years before I had any internet outside of work or school still.

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No worries. Like said what attracted me to the show was Pedro and the fact it is filmed in BC and Alberta. Will let you know.

I know Adam Baldwin has done some voice acting over the years but without checking his page on the movie thing, I couldn't tell you what. I may have mentioned that video games are bad for me. I like them and played through high school but that was all before. I even had a nintendo and a Mario brothers game that I used to play every once in a while. I got rid of it because I wasn't using it enough.

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Bad for you because of the flashing? Yeah... A lot of those old games did a TON of that and we thought nothing of it until there were all those stories of kids watching that Pokemon cartoon and having seizures. From what I've seen and what I've heard, they are very, very sensitive about making sure that people with epilepsy are taken into account with these games now. If they're not outright games without any flashing, there's usually "accessibility" options under the hood to turn off any form of flashing in the game for somebody who shouldn't be exposed to it. I haven't played many new games in the last 10 years, but I've seen that from time to time myself when I'm in menus. Not just in the really expensive triple A games, but the $!0 and $20 dollar games made by indie teams are doing it too.

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From your description of Lexx, I think I do remember it now. Never watched it unless I caught just pieces of it channel surfing for me or my mum.

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Yeah... it was so weird. The "main" guy was like 20 years older than he should have been given all the weird sex-adjacent stuff that was along for the ride on whatever romp of the week was going on. He's like maybe the captian or the only one that was even close to fit to being in that role, but he was pretty much a dufus himself too. The sexual tension actually made it even more funny and absurd because it's like a sci-fi show where everyone should be on their best behavior, but this guy is like Benny Hill in space. But then he wasn't always like that and if memory serves the crew actually did care about each other beyond a superficial level (although nowhere near the real ties you saw in Firefly). It wasn't even a softcore porn thing, if you can overlook the fact that the titular character LEXX was wearing quite the revealing outfit every show. But really... I don't think it was any different than what the blond girl on Land of the Lost was wearing around the same time, and they were putting that show on with Saturday Morning Cartoons. Just a lot of innuendo surrounding everything.

Pretty much just take any Sci-Fi show you've ever seen on a ship, and make everything quasi-sexual and parody of it's genre to the point of perpetual absurdity and put a Benny Hill knock off up there with them and you've got LEXX.

I'd probably at least attempt to watch it again myself if I ever get back into watch TV shows again. I know between seeing that and right now I've forgotten more shows that I've watched than I remember, so for me to remember LEXX when I only caught one of those 1st season "movies" and maybe a dozen episodes and I still remember it today.

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No, the Doctor never was as you could see from the actors hired to play the character. It was earned. I mean each version of the Doctor could be tough and even fight to a certain degree but the foundation was the Doctor always relied on his brain. And each actor had to be able to bring to the character certain aspects of the last actor to play the character. Tom Baker's doctor had more of Patrick Troughton's doctor in him. Sort of silly, always able to laugh but you had the sense that the character could be dangerous as well.

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And that's what I'm talking about right there... I think Hollywood has forgotten how to make that balance. They want to feminize males and they've forgotten how to write males (who aren't interested in other males, anyhow... and I would guess only half of them too, if you really think about it for a few seconds). There is nothing I have seen in any advert or any coverage of the newest doctor that anybody could ever believe it when he's trying to be threatening or have any air of danger surrounding him at all. It would just rip you right out of the show when he's carried on the way he did the rest of the episodes and those before it.

Brenda.... They had an episode this season where they were on the "Planet of the Incels".

That's an insult that Wishy threw my way every day. Like 5 years ago. And we've still got to hear that made up word that activists made up to shut down arguments with people they don't agree with. It's just one of many reasons this show is getting cancelled now. People are done listening to all that decisive crap all the time. And stuff like that is just put into every episode now. And not just Doctor Who... pretty much everything that anybody loved before.

It's just a slog. We need to go back to escapism in movies and TV again. We know the real world sucks. That's why we're watching TV. To escape it.

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Jodie, the only woman to play the doctor was okay but the one actor that really got under my skin was Matt Smith. It took me all three seasons of his version of the Doctor to get used to him and he was the youngest and maybe that was why. My favourites were Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Christopher Eccleston and David Tenant. I've also loathed some of the companions too. Donna for one, another one was Martha. Most of the early companions were okay.

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Eccleston was a good one... that's good to hear. The only thing I ever saw him in was a year or two earlier in the movie 28 Days Later, and boy was that a much different character. He just seemed so likeable as the Doctor, and his relationship with Piper just seemed to have boatloads of chemistry between them. If it weren't for their dynamic I probably wouldn't have stuck around for a few more episodes whenever I caught it. They seemed really friendly with each other all those years later when they were at that panel together too. They probably have really kept in touch all these years in between.

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Okay that is so wrong for the Doctor it is not funny. Well, the Doctor usually has to save a companion or two because someone kidnaps them to get at the Doctor. Think I heard some of that interview with Christopher Ecclestion. Course it didn't help the show any when someone was put in charge of the BBC, who actively hated the show. He had to wait until one series and I think it was Sylvester McCoy's first series was up before he could can it. There was a big uproar over that everywhere it was aired. People flooding the BBC with complaints, not that it did any good. That is very true in Elizabethan times it was considered inappropriate for a woman to be doing something like that. It was a kin to being a lady of the night.

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I'm just hoping for you that people will want it to come back. That's the problem with all this stuff they've been doing. There's making fans lose interest, then there is doing genuine, near-impossible to reverse brand damage. That's what has happened to most of the things I grew up with and had fond memories of. You couldn't pay me to watch any of it. I hear the last few Ghostbusters movies were pretty decent, but I have no interest in that after what they did. I never saw a Disney Star Wars production, and I never will.

They showed us old and pathetic Indiana Jones, not once, but twice. Just reminding fans who were essentially using him as an avatar for their own adventure while watching the original trilogy just how old and close to the end they are, and to make way for the newer and better and smarter generation to take over.

They made Willow a bitch. They made Val Kilmer's Madmartagen a bitch. Now the group of girl boss main characters are doing all the ass kicking and beating up guys that are 3 times their size because Girl Power when none of it is believable or even makes any sense.

That's just a very short list. At this point it's just happened so much you're better off counting the stuff that they didn't get around to ruining before the free money ran out.


I just tell everyone, that you make "Canon" whatever you want canon to be. For me, there are only 3 Star Wars movies and nothing else. Some would add in the prequels and maybe some video games or some extended universe books or comics. Some might even add in one or all of the Disney films.

Whatever you want, that's what you watch. But don't let anyone tell you that they've decided for you how the story goes. They may own the copyrights to those stories as far as courts are concerned, but nobody can tell you what to do with them in your own mind.

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I still love British shows today. Benny Hill, man again something I watched through high school. Good Neighbours. On the Buses when I was much younger and my dad was still alive. Yup, can't really beat them. My library has a whole bunch of British tv series and movies. I just picked up something the other day or so ago with David Tenant in it.

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Not familiar with the other two you mentioned, although I do think I've heard about Good Neighbors several times before. I've never watched it myself, but one of my brothers loved that Fawlty Towers show. I've seen a ton of Mr. Bean. Me and my bro loved that show.

It's such a love/hate thing here with UK stuff. I remember showing a few of the Monty Python movies to some of my friends. Not all togehter at once, but at different times. I'd have friends who couldn't stop laughing through Holy Grail and the Life of Brian, but then I'd have other friends who couldn't even sit and watch the first 5 minutes of either one and that was that.

There's a real flavor to UK stuff that I hope they don't lose. You always know when you're watching something from the UK, no matter what genre it was.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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