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Originally posted by Spartan:
fear not browncoats, the best is yet to come

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Originally posted by Spartan:
fear not browncoats, the best is yet to come

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I wish I could believe that but everything about the movie to me screams THE END. The deaths of 2 main characters, every plot and storyline wrapped up, everything explained (with the exception of Book but with his death becomes meaningless).

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Originally posted by Spartan:
fear not browncoats, the best is yet to come

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I wish I could believe that but everything about the movie to me screams THE END.

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Originally posted by SoulOfSerenity:
Well, we still don't know what the Alliance did to River in the first place, or why. That has never been explained.

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Originally posted by lissa:
you never really watched buffy or angel, did you?
in all likelyhood...this is just the beginning of whatever story it is that joss is going to tell us.

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Originally posted by Spartan:
fear not browncoats, the best is yet to come

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I wish I could believe that but everything about the movie to me screams THE END. The deaths of 2 main characters, every plot and storyline wrapped up, everything explained (with the exception of Book but with his death becomes meaningless)...

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Well, while I understand the angles you guys are getting at, and I see the typical Joss thing, it still bugs me...I mean...why does Joss get to stay typical when the soul of Firefly/Serenity is because it's something completely different. Also...I don't think Wash needed to die for the credibility of eveyone else's mortal danger. I'm feelin' the mortal danger. Really, I am. I don't think it makes it any more or less convincing, just sad. As for being surprising and unexpected, yeah, in a way it is, but you still know that not everyone is going to die for numerous reasons, mainly because if everyone dies there's no story to tell. I think the story would be just as good, and be a lot better in the end if we *thought* Wash was dead for a good long while and then managed to get a somewhat damaged Wash back...just as much as Kaylee, Wash is part of Serenity...imho, Kaylee and Wash are the heart and soul of the ship, maybe even the whole crew, and with Mal's rougher attitude in the movie they may just be Mal's heart and conscience.
I can see Book in a way, it's a big loss and the fact is that Book's secrets and mysteries add something to the story in that we don't know them, so it may be best to keep them under wraps a while longer and in Book's death find out more...
But Wash? Little cute, harmless, funny Wash who had (in my opinion) no reason to die?
I just can't accept the senseless loss theory...that was Book, and everyone else who had sheltered the crew, that was Mr.Universe, and the little kid that Kaylee knew. That was the people who weren't made into Reavers and probably more that I can't come up with off the top of my head.
Now, it's a great movie, really, it is. I can't really nitpick another person's dreams and this is Joss' baby, but I can't help but just wanting to walk around all day like "Why Wash?"
I understand to a point how y'all explain it, but I respectfully disagree. I see plenty of that from the rest of the movie and I can't just let that be it.
But then, if we were the types to just let things be, we wouldn't have ever gotten the movie...
Anyhoo...it *was* a great movie...but I think I'm going to have to warm up to it without Wash...
I understand that anything else I have litte issues with (because I just pick at *everything*) is because it's a movie, it's a movie for us browncoats, but then it's a movie that had to work out for people who've never seen Firefly, and it's a movie that has to make money because I don't think Universal was making it out of the warm fuzzy goodness of their little hearts.
Anyhoo...feel free to argue with me...it's just my opinion...that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

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Zoe in particular showed almost no emotion whatsoever that her husband of the last several years was now gone forever. She was cold in a robotic sense.

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Originally posted by Opus:
Having not seen the movie but read all the spoilers may I suggest an alternative explanation for why what was done, was done?
Did anyone consider the thespian in question possibly didn't want to be an on going part of the franchise? Joss merely integrated it into the story.

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that being the fact that Alan won't be participating in the next movie(s) - the family aspect of Serenity's crew was one of the best parts of the show, but what really made that the case was that you could feel it was true of the actors as well. And I just don't like the idea of everyone making another movie and Alan not being there. Ron as well, but Alan was so integral that his absense (perhaps more than his character's) would realy depress me.

Perhaps in flashbacks - more Alan with a mustache!!

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Zoe in particular showed almost no emotion whatsoever that her husband of the last several years was now gone forever. She was cold in a robotic sense. ... I would have prefered at least one quick shot of Zoe breaking down after everything was over or at Wash's grave, just give us something that shows us her feelings of loss.

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They've held the funerals, they've repaired the ship. Mal asks Zoe, "Is she going to hold together?" and Zoe replies, "It's shaky, but she'll fly" (or words to that effect). The camerawork and the actors' delivery make it perfectly clear that both characters are talking about Zoe in her bereavement;

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And a scene of her weeping alone would have been almost pornographic.

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Both of us agreed that the end of the movie was ruined by Wash's death, which came across as a cheap plot device rather than a necessary element to the film. This has been a character driven series from the beginning. If I wanted to see an action flick I'd rent any number of films being churned out by Hollywood, but what we all fell in love with, and what has made us so loyal to this show, was the characters. Killing off Wash felt like a slap in the face to the fans who enabled this show to make it this far.

From a practical standpoint, it will make the difference between whether I see this movie once in the theaters or ten times. Who wants to watch someone they love get killed over and over again? I think Joss needs his fans if the movie is going to make it and we deserved the payoff. We browncoats deserved to walk out of the theater feeling victorious and with Wash dead that victory was entirely diluted. Who cares that Kaylee has sex after that? Poor choices from an otherwise masterful storyteller.

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that sums up my feeling exactly

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