How gay is Superman? by chrisisall

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Nonsense! Superheros have always worn spandex. Not like his costume is pink now or anything! Now that would be a "bold queer attitude"! A purple spandex costume with a pink triangle symbol and matching cape! Oh that would be great! Maybe I'll try to photoshop that!
Anyway, no, I'm sorry, I don't see a lot of difference between the "old" and "new" superhero movies except the actors are different and the effects are better.
And actually, if you think about X-men, they are actually a bit less gay; bypassing bright spandex for dark and servicable leather. At least in Wolverine's case.

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:55 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
The magazine The Advocate had this on last month's cover, over a picture of Brandon Routh in the costume, and in it, it explored the 'bold queer attitude' of the new wave of superhero films.
I thought this might make for a lively discussion.
What do you think?

We're not Hetro, we're Metro, get used to it Chrisisall

Set off your gay-dar huh...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Umm...less gay than these guys ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:37 AM

LOSTMARAUDER

There have been rumors that Brian Singer wanted to find an closeted gay actor to play Superman and have that person "come out" after the movie debuted...he has stated in the past that his hero movies have intentionally had gay overtones...my question is, why? Did Brokeback Mountain have superhero overtones?

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:47 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Well Batman the series tried to be very gay, and admitted to that years afterward, and were smacked down by the censors, told to under light their crotches, and stand farther apart amoung other things.

None the less they are still remembered as being gay.

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:48 AM

COPILOT

Has anyone watched the old superman cartoons? It's all about Lois Lane! She's out catching bad guys shooting machine guns flying airplanes! All superman does is say this looks like a job for superman and goes a rescues her when she's in touble. It should be called The Adventures of Lois Lane because superman is just a sidekick. Oddly enough Lois Lane gets lamer as the years pass. So in conculsion Superman isn't homosexual he's just boring!

No one hurt me please it's just my opinon and observations.

An I carried such a torch.......For the Dark Lord

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:50 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

And actually, if you think about X-men, they are actually a bit less gay; bypassing bright spandex for dark and servicable leather. At least in Wolverine's case.

oh you must not be reading Joss' Astonishing X-men,
because Joss got them all back into the spandex
(even wolverine!)

I have to find the site w/the the reprints of actual old comic book covers...
because they are all FULL of 'subtext' LOL

found some...here:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=uscc_part1

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:11 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
dark and servicable leather.

When did leather stop being gay?

And on the topic of Superman there is a certain parallel between the secret identity of Clark Kent and the closeted life style that untill fairly recently almost all gays had to lead. A man who in his normal life must hide his true identity from everybody he knows but when donning the tights is free to be who he truly is.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:29 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Umm...less gay than these guys ?

LMAOROTF!!!!!

Tee hee Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:46 AM

WORKEROFEVIL

This might already be well known, but I thought it was cool when I found out that Stephen Colbert and Steve Carrel are the voices for the Ambiguously Gay Duo.

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Phoenix...I miss your other sig. Why'd ya change it ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:04 AM

FOLLOWMAL

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Phoenix...I miss your other sig. Why'd ya change it ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

I agree, where'd it go?

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:05 AM

FOLLOWMAL

So far today.. this is my very favorite thread.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:42 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

So far today.. this is my very favorite thread.

That makes you a bit of a super-powered fag hag, doesn't it?

Metro Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:13 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

So far today.. this is my very favorite thread.

That makes you a bit of a super-powered fag hag, doesn't it?

Metro Chrisisall

aren't we all?
...
okay, maybe not YOU Chris

I was just recommending this slash fic to a friend on lj :
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=1515
(altho I guess maybe I should recommend it at the 'Slash, bleh' thread instead... LOL)

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:55 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by FollowMal:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Phoenix...I miss your other sig. Why'd ya change it?

I agree, where'd it go?

Well that's sweet!

I thought it was a bit big and bright; with me posting all the time it got overpowering on some threads, so I went for a smaller, cuter icon sig.
I do love my old one, though, just cuz I'm so proud of making it. Not like it's gone forever; it's easy to bring back! And I do still bring it out for special occasions like a new Forsaken thread or people asking me to.

As for leather not being gay; I think there are a few bikers who would tell you why it isn't. Plus, it's only the skintight pants I was thinking of; the X-men (movie X-men, wasn't talking about any of the comic books) almost have leather armor. Doesn't look like clubbing gear, y'know.
But hey, maybe there are overtones and that's ok too! I'm just saying, if there are there it's nothing new or "bold". Maybe people are just seeing it a certain way now. I like the secret identity/closeted parallel; very nice.

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:46 PM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

If I were PirateNews I'd take this image as proof of George Bush having gay orgies at Bohemia Grove.

I mean the guys watching have silly hats...

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:37 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
If I were PirateNews I'd take this image as proof of George Bush having gay orgies at Bohemia Grove.

I've always loved the 'Ambiguously Gay Duo' on Sat Night Live! LOL
BTW I found the site (w/help from a friend) w/the truly questionable, but totally real, comic book covers:
http://www.superdickery.com/galleries.html
really funny stuff.

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
As for leather not being gay; I think there are a few bikers who would tell you why it isn't.

I can probably find just as many that will tell you why it is.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Monday, June 12, 2006 5:59 PM

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Originally posted by embers:
BTW I found the site (w/help from a friend) w/the truly questionable, but totally real, comic book covers:
http://www.superdickery.com/galleries.html
really funny stuff.

Ah, yes, Super Dickery. Absolute comedy gold.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Monday, June 12, 2006 6:16 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Those covers are hi-larious!

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Monday, June 12, 2006 6:48 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Those covers are hi-larious!

yeah, endlessly funny!
BTW I love your Falling Down Laughing emoticon

(I love your signiture too!)

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:47 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Oh dear *wipes eyes*
He really is kind of a dick, isn't he?

My favorite "wrong" one is the panel where is shows batman and robin waking up together.

Oh, and I used to read Archie, too! It makes a few appearances. There should be more sites like this!
I didn't see any X-men...?

Thank you, embers! It's one of my favorites as well. You're quite welcome to save it if you want to use it yourself.

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:15 AM

EMMARIGBY

Oh you bad, bad people!

I've just spent 2 hours when I should have been working being drawn constantly back to this site for a quick snigger!

I then had to send it to all my friends, most of whom are at work and too afraid to open anything with superdickery in the title!

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Hisssssss!

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Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:42 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I have now looked at pretty much everything that's up currently. Are there others? Any suggestions? C'mon, my work, unlike most, is boring and solitary. I needs me some entertainment!
Heh, I told my Superman fan dad about it; cracked him up! Especially the fact that it was called "Superdickery"!

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Friday, June 23, 2006 4:17 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Oh dear *wipes eyes*
He really is kind of a dick, isn't he?

My favorite "wrong" one is the panel where is shows batman and robin waking up together.

Oh, and I used to read Archie, too! It makes a few appearances. There should be more sites like this!
I didn't see any X-men...?

Well the site is almost all DC stuff. Not sure why maybe he just knows those better.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 9:03 AM

J6NGO1977

He wears his undies outside his Lycra tights. Soooooooo gay.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 9:08 AM

This is really funny stuff!

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Sunday, July 2, 2006 3:33 PM

EXODUS

I think that media outlets are blowing this whole Superman is gay thing out of proportion just because he wears spandex. See, I follow the philosphy that anyone who wears spandex in public is gay. It doesn't matter if you're a superhero or a fat old man, you're still gay.

*Think up a joke about Osama bin Laden wearing spandex*

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Sunday, July 2, 2006 4:29 PM

LOL! I don't know. Only those who look good in spandex should wear it. So, Superman, yes. Bin Laden, not so much.

Jokes about Bin Laden? -- of course!

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Sunday, July 2, 2006 4:34 PM

PENGUIN

Superman's not gay at all!

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Sunday, July 2, 2006 5:08 PM

Certainly, SuperOpus isn't!

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Sunday, July 2, 2006 10:23 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

Ok, how about this then?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=11428

Your fault Chris.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

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Monday, July 3, 2006 4:38 AM

I love that picture you posted in the Blue Sun Room!

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 3:15 PM

AERIN

I had to stop reading the Superdickery site because I was laughing so hard I thought I would cry. Or Mountain Dew would shoot out of my nose onto the keyboard. Thanks!!!

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 3:34 PM

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Ok, how about this then?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=11428

Your fault Chris.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

Good stuff. But if you really want to play up the gay aspect you need two of the mars symbols intertwined.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 4:36 PM

DANFAN

Ember,

Thank you for the Superdickery website. It was an absolute hoot!

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 4:40 PM

SHADOWFLY

Saw Superman yesterday. Good movie. Superman is a true hero. STFU about the gay reference.

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 4:42 PM

SHADOWFLY

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
The magazine The Advocate had this on last month's cover, over a picture of Brandon Routh in the costume, and in it, it explored the 'bold queer attitude' of the new wave of superhero films.
I thought this might make for a lively discussion.
What do you think?

We're not Hetro, we're Metro, get used to it Chrisisall

Grow up boy.

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 5:07 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:

Grow up boy.

Ms. ShadowBUG, don't get me angry.
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

Chrisisall Banner

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 6:47 PM

AERIN

Anyone seen the movie and think Superman is a little creepy? I'm not that into Superman (more Spiderman and Batman), but I REALLY LIKED this movie. But there are some things I notice now as an adult that I didn't notice when I was a kid. Ok, I always noticed Lois is completely lame in the movies. Hard to see how she's supposed to be so strong, capable, and intelligent (not a Whedon woman).

Maybe a little spoiler here, but nothing big you couldn't guess from the trailer.

So, having a guy float outside your house and watch you with his x-ray vision? Uh, that's completely stalker. Not cool, even though he's hot. And the "let me show you something" flight after she basically says she wants to stay with her new (dependable) family also seems like something a nice guy wouldn't do. That one might be splitting hairs, but the thing that bugs me actually comes from the end of the 2nd move. The roofie-kiss. If nothing else, Joss has taught us that erasing someone's mind is never a good idea.

Don't let me give anyone the wrong idea. I really did love the movie. I'll probably see it again and buy it. Highly recommended.

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 6:56 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
The magazine The Advocate had this on last month's cover, over a picture of Brandon Routh in the costume, and in it, it explored the 'bold queer attitude' of the new wave of superhero films.
I thought this might make for a lively discussion.
What do you think?

We're not Hetro, we're Metro, get used to it Chrisisall

Grow up boy.

Chill out, dude.

Yeah, Superman certainly seems to have stalker tendancies. As the website says, he's a bit of a dick, too. I mean, I get it. What's the saying? "Absolute power corupts absolutely." Plus there was that whole his planet got blown up and his real family is dead.
Something that bugged me about Smallville was that Lex, who evolves of course into a villian, was a really nice guy and a good friend. Sure he had his dark side, too, had to, but damn he was a good friend! And Clark is an ungrateful and undependable dick. I thought it was just the WB writers, but no, now I find there was some precedent for it. Heh.
Well really, though, how could it be interesting if he had no character flaws? It's not like he ever loses a fight or anything.

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 6:58 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:

Grow up boy.
Ms. ShadowBUG, don't get me angry.
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

Chrisisall Banner

obviously some over compensating going on there...

luckily Chisisall is secure in his manhood.

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 8:50 PM

SINGATE

Quote:
Originally posted by Aerin:
Anyone seen the movie and think Superman is a little creepy? So, having a guy float outside your house and watch you with his x-ray vision? Uh, that's completely stalker.

Select to view spoiler:

Don't forget about him being a dead beat dad. What's he owe, about five years of child support?

I honestly didn't think he was creepy but I did have a few laughs with the guys I was with on this subject.

The whole gay thing is pretty damn stupid. Back when the character was created there wasn't exactly a large outed gay community in the U.S. so no one looked at things the way they do now. As for the costume, what is acceptable for a superhero? Should he wear a suit or maybe jeans and a tee? Think I'll go with Bryan Singer's answer to the "is he gay question" and say "he isn't". Why do so many gay people believe everyone is gay?

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 9:53 PM

JRC

THAR BE SPOILERS HERE MATEY!!

OK, I'm still trying to figure this Superman/gay thing, despite the way Superman is portrayed. Let's go thru this checklist:
Did Clark Kent talk/ask about Lois Lane? Check.
Did Clark seem upset when he found out that Lois had a child and live-in boyfriend? Check.
Did Superman go to Lois' house at night to see her in her house (very stalker-ish, I agree). Check.
Did he give her (another) bird's-eye view of the city? Check. (Trying to remember the first Superman movie. Was it the city?)
Did he almost give her a kiss on the lips (only to be stopped by her)? Check.
Does he chase after a major hottie? Check.

(SUPER SPOILER AHEAD):

Select to view spoiler:

And last, but not in the least, did we find out that he has a son with Lois? Check.

I kinda think some gay writers were projecting some wishful thinking here, and the other men who think Superman's gay may be ready to come out of the closet soon.
The other possibility is he's bi-sexual. Yes! That's it! He's after Lois' boyfriend!!!!!!

But gay.
Nope.
D'uh.

Just my two cents.

Everyone dies alone.

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Tuesday, July 4, 2006 10:20 PM

SHINYYUKARI

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Originally posted by JRC:

(SUPER SPOILER AHEAD):
Select to view spoiler:
And last, but not in the least, did we find out that he has a son with Lois? Check.

Select to view spoiler:

Awww...now that takes the fun out of the Mallrats arguement on whether she could carry his child or not...

"Well next time you be the bait!"~Andy Hurley
"Okay! Everybody not talking about sex, in here. Everybody else, elsewhere."~Wash
Browncoats are the coolest fans I've ever seen.

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Wednesday, July 5, 2006 4:36 AM

CYBERSNARK

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Originally posted by singate:
As for the costume, what is acceptable for a superhero? Should he wear a suit or maybe jeans and a tee?

Superboy beat him to it.

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Wednesday, July 5, 2006 7:07 AM