Hancock...what was that? (spoilers) by chrisisall

I knew I was the only one who saw this thing....

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 11:59 AM

SAVEWASH

Now I am learning about scary.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Anyone have a coherent thought about this flick?

"Coherent" is the operative word here. I had no idea what to think of the movie but I liked it, especially the first half. But you're right, it's hard to know how to classify it.

Did anyone else see it?

"We need to keep our heads so we can ... keep our heads."

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:12 PM

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"Coherent" is the operative word here. I had no idea what to think of the movie but I liked it, especially the first half.

Yeah, it was GREAT- then it kinda went into gooey fantasyland or sumpin'. Definitely a must-see for superhero fans...it just had some plot twists that came more from writer's block than true creativity, IMHO.

The hungover SuperChrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:37 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

I almost rented Hancock, but then I saw Hellboy II: The Golden Army right next to it. I went for Hellboy.

One word: WOW. I was completely blown away. I remember the Iron Man thread, where it was suggested that Iron Man was the movie CGI was invented for. I'd say Hellboy II goes 'em a bit further. Simply AMAZING effects, astonishing "monsters", and really good writing. Good action, martial arts, great storytelling...

Did I mention I was blown away by this movie?

I love the way the good guys aren't all that good, and the bad guys aren't all bad. The villains are fighting the right war the wrong way, and you DO feel a bit sorry for them at times.

And I love the whole FEEL of the movie. I take it this is "steampunk" of some sort? I read William Gibson & Bruce Sterling's The Difference Engine, but after Gibson's Neuromancer, it just left me cold. Guillermo Del Torro may be just what that genre needs to make it sing.

And yeah, I was blown away. Pan's Labyrinth amazed me. The first Hellboy movie amused me. But this one... well, I'll say it again, in one word: WOW.

Mike

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:43 PM

I must rent it; I must rent it now.

The hellish Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:57 PM

I liked Hancock. One of the reasons I did was because it isn't so easily classifiable. Most "super-hero" stories fall into the generic origin category, with part 2 being about the hero wanting to give up the life/power/ect. I appreciated that it took a different approach, and tried to forge some new ground. It wasn't great, but I liked it.

I would be very curiouse to see the earlier version - the original script "Tonight He Comes" was regarded as one of the best unmade scripts in Hollywood for years. It was rewritten quite a bit for filming, and then the film supposedly underwent some massive changes in editing, after the studio deemed it too edgy and mature for a Will Smith superhero flick.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:07 PM

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the film supposedly underwent some massive changes in editing, after the studio deemed it too edgy and mature for a Will Smith superhero flick.

The unrated version is the way to go, I hear- BB just had the theatrical one for rental

The edgy Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:40 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I must rent it; I must rent it now.

The hellish Chrisisall

Please do. I'll be interested to hear what you think of it. I liked Iron Man, but I'll actually BUY the Hellboy series.

Actually, I'm a little surprised you hadn't already seen it in the theatre.

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:42 PM

I saw the unrated, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, from what I've heard, a version that is fairly different tonally and to a lesser degree in plot, not just one with an extra scene to help market it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:49 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I saw the unrated, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, from what I've heard, a version that is fairly different tonally and to a lesser degree in plot, not just one with an extra scene to help market it.

Oh.

The Oh-ing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:11 PM

TATERTOT

I've seen Hancock. And like other people said, I liked the 1st half, but then it just went down hill.

I liked Hellboy II but I gotta say I liked Ironman more...and it's not because I love Robert Downey jr...not at all.

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:18 PM

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it's not because I love Robert Downey jr...not at all.

Have you seen Tropic Thunder? He looks a little different than Stark in that one.

The funny Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:23 PM

TATERTOT

I have seen Tropic Thunder. Yeah, he looks a bit different. :P

He was hi-larious in that one.

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:30 PM

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Originally posted by tatertot:

He was hi-larious in that one.

Actually- I haven't seen it yet...rent or buy?

(I like the guy too)

(maybe not as much as a female of the species might though)

The pondering Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:35 PM

TATERTOT

I'd say rent it. I didn't buy it.

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 5:58 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Saw it, liked it, especially the gritty realism and dark atmosphere of the first half of it.

Then it got kinda stupid, yeah.

One thing I did appreciate is that they kept his whole attempts at redemption within the bounds of reality - people don't change THAT much, that soon, he was an asshole, and still is, just a kinder, gentler one, lol.

Just don't dare say it to his face.

-F

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Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:45 PM

HKCAVALIER

Um. Kinda pointless. Liked the idea of an ultra powerful being trying to play by the rules, going to jail for his crimes, doing press conferences and such, but screw that! This movie's about his immortal ex-girlfriend! Yaaaaah! Aweso--well...well, dull, actually. Did I say kinda pointless? Who championed it? Who greenlit the thing? What were they thinking? Hey, you know how Heroes can be kinda wonky and incoherent and the plot can suddenly change so radically as to make the last several episodes totally irrelevant??? Well, we don't think Heroes goes nearly FAR ENOUGH!!!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 4:44 AM

I Am Legend, and now Hancock...Will, bubula, ya gotta get back to movies like Ali & I, Robot.

The suggestive Chrisisall

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:58 AM

Tropic Thunder - Definitely rent it, but I can't really recommend it as a buy. It does have some funny damn stuff, though.

To me, the line of the movie was "Whoo! That smell just like balogna!"

You'll know it when you hear it.

Mike

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:59 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by tatertot:

He was hi-larious in that one.

Actually- I haven't seen it yet...rent or buy?

(I like the guy too)

(maybe not as much as a female of the species might though)

The pondering Chrisisall

I'd say buy, myself. Funniest movie I've seen this year.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:01 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

I'd say buy, myself.

Now I'm thinkin' 'present'.

The Santa-y Chrisisall

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:25 AM

OPPYH

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Anyone have a coherent though about this flick?

Some movies are poorly written, and only get worse after they go into production. This film nailed that aspect. Horrible mess.

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:36 AM

I wouldn't go that far, at all. It wasn't great, but it tried to do something different with the genre, which I give them credit for.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:25 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Anyone have a coherent though about this flick?

Some movies are poorly written, and only get worse after they go into production. This film nailed that aspect. Horrible mess.

I nominate Southland Tales for that award. And I *wanted* to like it!

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:27 PM

OPPYH

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I wouldn't go that far, at all. It wasn't great, but it tried to do something different with the genre, which I give them credit for.

Did you enjoy it?
I thought My Super Ex-Girlfriend was a better movie.
At least I smiled a few times when I watched that one.

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Thursday, December 4, 2008 12:32 AM

SIMONWHO

The trouble is that a Will Smith has become a genre in itself and he seems unable to escape it. I Am Legend had a great ending, perfectly fitting but test audiences didn't like the idea that Will might be anything less than an ass-kicking hero so it was changed into a dumb action movie finale. The original script for Hancock was dark and edgy but again, that's not Will Smith so they rewrote it and thus the film feels horribly disjointed.

Now he wants to star in a remake of Oldboy. Sigh.

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Thursday, December 4, 2008 6:40 AM