Is Quantum Of Solace worth renting? by chrisisall

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Is Quantum Of Solace worth renting?

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Friday, April 10, 2009 07:32
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Friday, March 27, 2009 7:38 AM

CHRISISALL

I'm tempted, but Casino Royale just barely held my interest...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 27, 2009 8:34 AM

CITIZEN

I saw it at the cinema. I thought it was pretty good, despite having half a dozen endings.

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Friday, March 27, 2009 8:36 AM

OPPYH

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm tempted, but Casino Royale just barely held my interest...

..No. Don't even bother. Things get blowed up pretty good, but make no mistake this is about as far from Bond as you can get. I won't be seeing another Daniel Craig Bond film.

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Friday, March 27, 2009 9:24 AM

DEWRASTLER

If you like the Bourne movies, then I'd see this b/c they got some of the guys who worked on Bourne to help with the actions scenes.

I seriously walked out of the theater thinking I had just seen Quantum of Bourne and was wondering when the third movie, The Bond Ultimatum, would be released.

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Friday, March 27, 2009 10:01 AM

CHRISISALL

LOL, that was good.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 27, 2009 10:07 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
I saw it at the cinema. I thought it was pretty good, despite having half a dozen endings.

It's the shortest Bond movie ever, where did it have ROOM for more than one?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 27, 2009 10:27 AM

ZEEK

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm tempted, but Casino Royale just barely held my interest...

I'm in the same boat. I refused to pay for a theater ticket this time. I'll probably just wait for it to hit cable.

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Friday, March 27, 2009 12:01 PM

KHAMBILO

I liked it a lot actually and i think if you liked casino royale then you would like it. But you have to face it that the interest for a campy sean connery bond movie isn't there. The trend theses days is the bang-bang-shoot-em-up-with-a-cool-story andt that's what the new bonds are about...well at least the cool story part. Personally, I'm not so much a fan of the old bonds (sorry classic bond fans), they're good in a sense but they're just not my taste. But It'd definately give Quantum of Solace a try.

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Friday, March 27, 2009 12:48 PM

BYTEMITE

I love a little bit of camp, but there comes a point in a franchise where the line is crossed into the script writers just not CARING about the material.

It happened to Batman, and that's why the franchise had to be rebooted, and that's what happened to Bond. Eventually, both franchises will be seen as too serious (especially with the market becoming oversaturated as it is), and the humour will come back.

The Ian Fleming books had very little camp in them, though.

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Friday, March 27, 2009 1:16 PM

LWAVES

I liked it a lot and thought it followed on well from Casino Royale and left enough to lead into the next one. Craig makes a great (although different) Bond.

But both Craig movies are far from the older Bond movies and are definitely nearer the Bourne movies in style.
There are no quick quips or one liners when he dispatches a baddie. These days he is a much colder and darker figure.
And IMO it was needed. The classic Bonds had and have their place and will always remain that way but the franchise wouldn't have survived had it carried on that way.
My only real gripe is that they are a bit too close to Bourne.

The fact that Casino only just held your interest I'd be tempted to tell you to lay off it and watch it when it's free. But if there's nothing else to rent....

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Friday, March 27, 2009 2:25 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:
But if there's nothing else to rent....

I'll get to it eventually.
Thunderball & Tomorrow Never Dies are my idea of perfect Bond movies, btw. Enough humour, but not over the top (Moonraker, I'm lookin' at YOU!!!).

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 27, 2009 2:31 PM

ZEROKIRYU

I'm about to watch it now, I'll let you know what I think in a bit.

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Friday, March 27, 2009 2:46 PM

CHRISISALL

Thanks, Zero!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 27, 2009 3:10 PM

MSA

I really liked it:)

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Friday, March 27, 2009 4:19 PM

ZEROKIRYU

I've just finished it and I can say it's definitely at least worth a rental. I bought it and I say it was money well spent.

I saw, and enjoyed, Casino Royale. I'd say this is the better movie though. I enjoy Craig's version of Bond, while I do enjoy the old Bonds, I'd have to say I really like the grittier Bond.

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Friday, March 27, 2009 10:28 PM

HKCAVALIER

Hey Chris,

If you want to see the kind of action movie I actually LIKE, then rent Quantum of Solace.

You ever see Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy? Well, Solace is the closest Bond will likely ever get to a le Carré novel.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:33 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
You ever see Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy?

Yes, but I liked The Constant Gardner even better! It's a must-see for spy fans IMO.

Okaaaay, I'll rent Solace this weekend.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:27 AM

PIRATECAT

QOS is worth renting, I can not believe you said that about Casino Royale. This is the deal we have to get use to this new 007 agent. The story lines are what makes these new James Bond movies. I feel they tapped into conspiracy interests. I have watched the new Bond flicks several times with big popcorn and big drink combo. I got use to the scouser then I got into the story line. M was just smashing as the limes would say in this new one. That took along time for me to except a woman has head of MI-6 OO agents. Of course once again the best looking ladies in the world. Back door politics goes on and it makes you wonder if life imitates art or vice verser. James Bond is James Bond in what ever decade.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:47 AM

HKCAVALIER

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yes, but I liked The Constant Gardner even better! It's a must-see for spy fans IMO.

Oh, wow, that's even better--there are definite echoes of Constant Gardner in this, too. Why man, you may actually enjoy this movie after all!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:11 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:

The Ian Fleming books had very little camp in them, though.

If anything, the new films are closer to the Ian Fleming character than any previous film.

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Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:24 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

If anything, the new films are closer to the Ian Fleming character than any previous film.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service came quite close, IMO. I really did like Lazenby.
I loved Brosnan, but his films were a different, newer Bond.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:27 AM

SUASOR

Yeah, Fleming saw the whole business as pretty grim. and wrote his Bond that way. But in the 1960s. that dark view of espionage was not very popular. The camped up movie Bond struck a chord and was hugely successful. No one dared to mess with the formula, until the recent reboot.

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Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:28 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
you may actually enjoy this movie after all!

Probably so then, Constant Gardner is the pinnacle of the genre IMO.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:22 AM

CHRISISALL

Okay, I rented it for tonight, are y'all happy? It better be good, or I'll flame each & every one of you that pimped for it!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:26 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Happens I rented it Saturday, and watched it. I'm no fan of any of the Bond movies, but I read some of the books back in the day. Casino Royale, with Daniel Craig, was very much what Ian Fleming wrote. From the little I know of the movies, none of the other movies was much of his writing. Q of S probably fit in with most of the other movies-- lots of improbable chases, action, violence, and destruction, but with a less flip, more tough guy attitude.

I didn't care for it.

But hey, a big shout out for Tinker, Tailor, mentioned above. I saw the mini-series ( So complex it couldn't fit in anything shorter.) on PBS about 30 years ago, and on video once since. Brilliant story telling.

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Monday, March 30, 2009 5:36 AM

CHRISISALL

Okay, I watched it.
Despite having arguably the single worst opening credits song in a Bond movie, I actually enjoyed this one. I liked it MUCH better than Casino Royale. I think I was more open to it because it didn't follow a novel, and I had no preconceived notion as to what it should have been like.

Thumbs up.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, March 30, 2009 12:18 PM

LWAVES

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Okay, I watched it.
Despite having arguably the single worst opening credits song in a Bond movie, I actually enjoyed this one. I liked it MUCH better than Casino Royale. I think I was more open to it because it didn't follow a novel, and I had no preconceived notion as to what it should have been like.

Thumbs up.

The laughing Chrisisall

Glad you liked it buddy.
Thought the intro car chase, whilst typically over the top, ended greatly when you found out what his 'luggage' was.

I could also never really see the other Bonds dealing with a bad guy like...

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...the one on the balcony where he held him till he died, just casually looking around to see that he wasn't being watched.

Dark and unsettling but I felt it fitted a 'truer' Bond character.

I also like that whilst certain plots are now (seemingly) closed, they left the main plot still going for the inevitable sequel.

Gotta completely agree on the theme tune. And this is from someone who thought that the Hagdonna theme would always remain the worst. Where's the epic, showstoppingness (yes that's a word or at least it is now) of older movies? Or the catchiness of the 80's themes?

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Monday, March 30, 2009 12:24 PM

CHRISISALL

Subjectively speaking, Brosnan was my favourite Bond. But Craig does capture the anti-hero quality in Bond from the novels the best, I'm now thinkin'.

"I don't have any friends." Classic.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, March 30, 2009 4:01 PM

HKCAVALIER

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Despite having arguably the single worst opening credits song in a Bond movie...

Are you forgetting Madonna's "Die Another Day?"

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:07 AM

FILLYGIRL

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Despite having arguably the single worst opening credits song in a Bond movie...
Are you forgetting Madonna's "Die Another Day?"

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

BONZAI!!!!

I love DC, & the opening song SUCKED!!!
The story is not an Ian Flemming story, it was different, but I do like it.

Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:15 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Despite having arguably the single worst opening credits song in a Bond movie...
Are you forgetting Madonna's "Die Another Day?"

No I'm not.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:40 AM

ZEEK

It was worse than Casino Royale's opening? It looked like computer graphics straight out of 1990. I just remember laughing at that movie way way too much when it wasn't intending to be funny. Things like the opening song come to mind.

I'm still not renting it. The only way to voice my disapproval of Casino Royal is to never give them another cent. Or at least until they replace the directors, producers and dumbo/bond.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:40 AM

STORYMARK

I loved Casino Royale - probably my favorite Bond film, maybe tied with Goldeneye. But I was underwhelmed by QOS. Wasn't terrible, just didn't have enough of it's own story - it's all just about following up on Vesper's death in CR.

I think both movies would have been stronger if they'd left off the excessive 4th act of CR, and placed it at the beginning of the overly-slight QOS.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:03 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I loved Casino Royale - probably my favorite Bond film, maybe tied with Goldeneye.

Tomorrow Never Dies, Goldeneye, On Her Majesty's Secret Service & Thunderball are my top four.
The main reason I can't include CR is that with the 'new gritty realism' comes the impossible physical stuff Jackie Chan in real life couldn't do. Be real or be outrageous, but an uneven mix of the two just don't fly with me (btw, that fall-into-the-plane stunt at the beginning of Goldeneye almost killed it for me- it was the strength of the rest of the film that turned me around there).
QOS was much better in that regard IMO, but it was still a little too 'endless stamina & unbreakable bones' for the level of seriousness they were trying to achieve. Anyone remember back when Bond could dislocate his shoulder doing something like that (World Is Not Enough)?

The impossible Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:25 AM

STORYMARK

What in CR was physically impossible? Hell, there wasn't even much action to begin with. Closest I can think of is the parkour stuff in the opening chase... but that's something people actually do.

I thought Bond's rope-tumble/shoot upside down bit in QOS was more unbelievable than anything in CR. Though it looked cool.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:05 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Closest I can think of is the parkour stuff in the opening chase... but that's something people actually do.

That's...not actually possible as it was filmed. Parkour takes place in mostly known arenas- using it in an unfamiliar terrain for three or four solid minutes would be something I could accept from Daredevil or Buffy...

Quote:

I thought Bond's rope-tumble/shoot upside down bit in QOS was more unbelievable than anything in CR.

Very much agree that that was goofy.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:11 AM

STORYMARK

Kinda seem to be splitting hairs on that, but whatever....

(And I've seen plenty of parkour on new turf)

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:47 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Kinda seem to be splitting hairs on that, but whatever....

(And I've seen plenty of parkour on new turf)

Just sayin' that if I saw that Parkour chase in Die Another Day, I wouldn't have complained at all. But to make a 'grittier & more realistic' Bond movie in which he has physical abilities that rival & surpass any previous incarnation just seem wrong to me somehow.

Oh, and wanna see what happens when you do Parkour in unfamiliar settings? Check out the dude that steps out onto nothing in The Incredible Hulk.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:10 AM

STORYMARK

I could care less if his abilities match prior actors - it's a restart - he aint the same guy.

And I still think it's a bit overyly picky to complain about a trained super agent doing stuff that street kids do...

Sure, they made a more realistic Bond, but it's not cinema verite here...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:18 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I could care less if his abilities match prior actors - it's a restart - he aint the same guy.

Not prior actors, prior Bonds.
*pounds table a la Prisoner credits*

Anyway, I think the real difference here is, you like Craig as the new Bond, and I wanted someone more like Clive Owen.

So I'm more like to pick on stuff, where you're more able to let some slide.
Which is understandable.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:46 AM

STORYMARK

So, you're just looking for reasons to complain about the guy?

Prior actors, prior Bonds... same difference. New guy, new Bond.

I would have liked to see Owen in the role as well, but I like Craig. Doesn't mean I'm letting things slide because of it - just means I'm not actively looking for something to complain about.

And, uh... I've never seen the Prisoner.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:51 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Doesn't mean I'm letting things slide because of it - just means I'm not actively looking for something to complain about.

I thought I implied that.

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And, uh... I've never seen the Prisoner.

Dude. Trust me. You must remedy that. Seriously. No joke.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:55 PM

STORYMARK

I plan to catch the new Gandalf/Jesus version.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:00 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I plan to catch the new Gandalf/Jesus version.

It won't have the same flavour...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:02 PM

CHRISISALL

ANYWAY....I watched QOS again last night & liked it even more the second time. This leads me to believe that I'd finally appreciate CR.
Who knows.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:22 PM

OPPYH

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
ANYWAY....I watched QOS again last night & liked it even more the second time. This leads me to believe that I'd finally appreciate CR.
Who knows.

It works as an action/revenge movie, but a Bond movie? Maybe if Casino Royale(and I loved that movie) were spread into a 3 hour epic including the plot from this it may have worked. As it stands it feels so far removed from the Bond series that I can't even include it into the Bond realm. To each his own I guess.

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Monday, April 6, 2009 11:30 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
As it stands it feels so far removed from the Bond series that I can't even include it into the Bond realm. To each his own I guess.

QOS was better than most of the Moore flicks IMO.
But I just watched On Her Majesty's Secret Service- THERE was a Bond movie, all right!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, April 6, 2009 12:50 PM

PIRATECAT

I went out today tooling around as usual. Found a man's wallet returned it so feeling good about myself I said self treat yourself to the new 007 dvd. I have to have it for my collection. I luv the scene where M chews out 007. She really lets him have it. Last week listening on Mike'sRadioNet.com to an English radio station they had a discussion about the Bond movies. So PC emailed them who was the first Bond Girl which everybody picks Pussy Galore in Goldfinger, wrong answer. The thing is Bond flicks go with the time. Moore was perfect for the 70s. I feel Connery should have made OHMSS then Moore should have made DAF then stopped at MR. Bronson should have made them up to now. 007 in the 80's was mot cutting it. Now I really like the story lines in the new ones. I think the conspiracy factor is quite popular. Craig will make 2 more Bond flicks then someone new will come in to keep it fresh.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Monday, April 6, 2009 12:55 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Chris,

I'm glad you liked QoS, but I'm a Sean Connery man from way back. From Russia, Goldfinger, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice among my favs.
For me SC is the quintessential Bond bar none.

Having said that, I really like Graig as the New Bond and, although CR was so-so for me, I really liked QoS. But I really do miss the Bond gadgets. In the first couple of Bond's he would use whatever household equipment to fend off would-be baddies, which I thought was cool.

The best fight, and most memorable for me, was the brawl with Odd Job in Goldfinger. Graig does a credible job with the material he's got to work with and I like his "relationship" with M. BTW I think Madame Dench makes for a great M. She gives the movie the gravitas needed for our much grittier Bond. I agree that it's better than all the Roger Moore Bond movies (no comparison).

The OO-SGGisall.

Tawabawho?

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Monday, April 6, 2009 1:33 PM

COZEN

Malcolm Reynolds grew into a hard fellah in Serenity, much like the QoS Bond became a hard fellah. Though the parallel I'm trying to draw here is entirely coincidental, can't we accept the need to make each of these characters feel real?

I think that there's a university course, or several courses, worthy of examining the juxtapositions of Mal/Inara and Bond/Vesper. Or, we could examine the character of Malcolm Reynolds as a future low-rent Bond; paying particular attention to the psychology inherent in Mal not "getting" the girl, where Bond always does, but never for a very long time. The possibilities are... possible, lol!

Anything keeping the Serenifly 'verse current in the public or academic eye is fine by me, yep.

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Mal/River fanfic: yuck!

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