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Originally posted by chrisisall:

I'm feeling like somewhat of a gorram pariah in this respect. I loved the dark aspect, the angry need for revenge, the forgiveness for bad timining & placement, and the sacrifice of a true friend...
Even my Son hates this movie, but it brings me to tears every time, much like our BDM.
Thoughts?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by singate:
Exploding Venom/Eddie at the end was just the sour icing on a moldy cake.

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what do they do in the end? You guessed it, he's [Harry] killed off.

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It ranks right down there with two other disappointments: X-men 3 and Blade 3.

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Originally posted by lwaves:
You don't get Peter's 'Travolta' walk

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Too many story lines converging for just 1 movie. Could have been made into 2 movies, easily.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
If I ever see it then I can give you my opinion. Apparently I am one of the few who did not think the second film was better than the first, so why should I have suffered through the third?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Venom HAD to be killed, & Edward Brock Jr. showed his true colours in the end basically getting himself killed at the same time; good widdance to bad wubbish.

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Originally posted by singate:
My whole problem was how the movie butchered the comic story arc involving Peter and the transference of the symbiote to Eddie. This film ripped the Venom character to pieces.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
It wasn't up to par with the second one

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please, tell me WTF was so good about #2. Alfed Molina is a good actor? JJJ goofing around in Spidey's costume? "This is really heavy."? < that WAS good...

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

Add it up, and it's so close to the early issues of Spidey that it actually feels like you're reading the comic book.

For me, that makes a pretty darn good comic book movie.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please, tell me WTF was so good about #2. Alfed Molina is a good actor? JJJ goofing around in Spidey's costume? "This is really heavy."? < that WAS good...

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Sorry you didn't like it. To me, it captured what I loved reading the comic books(many years ago) perfectly.
1. The woes of being Peter Parker

2. Spiderman reaches his absolute limit by stopping the train. Overcoming a task that is near impossible for SPidey always made for a good read.

3 Molina was the perfect choice for Doc Ock.

4. The story didn't feel rushed, and played out perfectly.

5. Aunt May in trouble with a super villain....come on, if that isn't right from the pages of classic Spiderman then I don't know what is.

6. The battle between Doc Ock, and Spidey

7. Spiderman loses his power for a spell.

Add it up, and it's so close to the early issues of Spidey that it actually feels like you're reading the comic book.

For me, that makes a pretty darn good comic book movie.

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I loved the dark aspect, the angry need for revenge, the forgiveness for bad timing & placement, and the sacrifice of a true friend...

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
That said. If you love it, then let no-one (myself included) spoil your enjoyment of it. Your celebration of it is as legit as anyone's disliking of it.

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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I just have to say, because of this thread I had to watch Spider-man 3 again today. And you know what, it wasn't as bad as I remembered.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/perils-of-coincidence

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
I think all the Spiderman movies are great. It's a great cast, and it's always very entertaining. Feel the same way about the Fantastic Four movies.

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That was a REALLY good piece, something to consider when writing. However, I don't care when it comes to Spider-man, see, in the first one I GOT OVER the fact that they were using Mary Jane instead of Gwen Stacy, and that the actress they picked for MJ was, how shall I put this, not quite the knockout I was used to in the comics. In the second I GOT OVER that Peter left tht guy in the alley to be mugged, and that he got a pyschosomatic need to have his vision corrected by his old glasses.
No coincidence in the third one (And I agree there were some dumb ones, most notably the silent meteor) bugged me as much as the stuff in one or two.
That's my story, and I'm *sticking* to it!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I can "get over" changes from the source material just fine, if they make sense and are done for a plausible reason.

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it's not a good movie.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What if, as a CHOICE, they had made Spider-man's costume gray, with frilly web-things floating around his head?

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BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.

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I disagree. I *think* you just have really high expectations.

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It certainly isn't great. It IS a bit of a mess. BUT, it IS entertaining from a certain point of view.

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BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.

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Disagree. It flies in the face of his character as Spider-Man, but works just fine with plain-ol Peter Parker, which is what he was at the time. He was experiencing an existential crisis of character which regressed him to his prior, more selfish and cowardly state.

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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
Personally, I thought the this movie should have been solely about Peter and Harry. That's what the other two movies have been building up to. No other villains necessary.

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BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.

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Disagree. It flies in the face of his character as Spider-Man, but works just fine with plain-ol Peter Parker, which is what he was at the time. He was experiencing an existential crisis of character which regressed him to his prior, more selfish and cowardly state.

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Okay, I see almost all of what you're saying, and agree with it to degrees, but this ONE point I seriously believe you're actually wrong on. Pete was never a coward. And after losing Ben to a bit of street violence, his empathy, his REAL empathy would trump any momentary emotional crisis, no matter how twisted up he was in it.

S3 was a good flick, but not a particularly good *movie*. K?


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I think they basically wasted too much time in the movie and wasted good characters in Gwen and Venom.

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It's not that he doesn't empathize, doesn't care, or wishes to see the other guy get hurt - he's just so low at that point that he doesn't think he can make a difference.

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Personally, I thought the this movie should have been solely about Peter and Harry. That's what the other two movies have been building up to. No other villains necessary.

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Ugh. I absolutely hated that part of the story. In the second movie when Harry finds out Pete is Spidey all he had to say was "I didn't kill your dad the green goblin did". It doesn't out his Dad and he can just say he never told him cause he was protecting his identity as spiderman to help people. Done and done. No he avoids the easy, obvious solution and instead opts for the deadly fight through the skyline of the city. Please.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Ah, if only you applied the critical eye you are turning on this one scene to.... well, everything in 3.....

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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
It's a great part of the comics and should have been the full story in this movie.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
"Storymark & Chrisisall hit superhero gold with Spider-man 3!!!"

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Ugh. I absolutely hated that part of the story. In the second movie when Harry finds out Pete is Spidey all he had to say was "I didn't kill your dad the green goblin did". It doesn't out his Dad and he can just say he never told him cause he was protecting his identity as spiderman to help people. Done and done. No he avoids the easy, obvious solution and instead opts for the deadly fight through the skyline of the city. Please.

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He doesn't want to lie to his friend. And he does try and talk to Harry about what really happened, and Harry won't listen. He had to save MJ in 2, so no time there. And in 3 Harry ignores him b/c he is fueled by rage. It's a great part of the comics and should have been the full story in this movie.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by Zeek:
In 2 he didn't even take the time to say "no I didn't". Harry said something like "you killed my father" and Peter just said "that's not important right now" or something lame. That's no how a person would respond. That's a response that fits the story they want to tell. That type of writing is unacceptable IMO.

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