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Rating your like of the new Abram's Trek movie...

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Monday, December 14, 2009 19:12
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Saturday, December 5, 2009 5:44 AM

CHRISISALL


Did ya like it?
I did.
Did ya like it better than "Serenity?"
Nah. That's like a joke question in these parts, I conjure.
Did ya like it better than "Wrath Of Khan?"
Almost.
Did ya like it better than the best of TOS?
*laughs* No way.
Did ya like it better than the new BSG.
Definitely.
Did ya like it better than pizza?
Yo, nothing's better than a good pizza.


Thoughts?





The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 6:17 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd rate Abrams' Trek no higher than a 3. And I'm being generous with that.



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Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:22 AM

SAFEAT2ND


Y'know... I had heard so many negatives about this film I was actually leery about seeing it. I not a huge Star Trek fan. I liked some of the movies but never really followed the series.

That said... I liked it! In fact I liked it alot.

The actor that played Bones did an exceptional job! Kirk was a little over the top for my liking but not detractingly so.

You know what movie I started to find a connection to? C'mon, I know you do... I actually found this reminded me a little of Serenity. I suspect it was the way it was shot.

But good pizza is still way better... there's wings with that good pizza right?

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 9:00 AM

FREMDFIRMA


I got dragged to it out of obligation, but I have no regrets, it was substantially better than I expected.

Pine as Kirk completely nailed it, come on, let's admit it - Kirk is an obnoxious jackass, and Pine brought his A game to the party with that one, larger than life, full of himself to a grating degree, and absolutely determined not to lose.

Karl Urban as Bones, now that was eerie, you'd almost swear that WAS Deforest Kelly, I've never seen a homage so bloody perfect, I don't think, he even got the unique manner of speaking and cadence down to a flawless degree, he *worked* that one, I can only imagine the effort that took.

Spock was solid, I was impressed, but there just seemed to be some small slice missing, though I cannot put my finger on it, really.

The guy playing Chekov, he was a bit harder to take, right up to the "Transporter Lock" moment, in that instant he *DID* convince me, and the guy playing Sulu pulled off a properly subdued but younger Sulu quite well, given that the character was a bit reserved, yet threw in a youthful exuberance which a younger Sulu certainly would have possessed.

About the only one I would take issue with, even mildly, was Scotty, but he also didn't get enough screen time to make as much of an impression, jury is still out on that one.

Special effects were good, a little too much of that hard zoom high speed michael bay "blur" going on, but not quite as bad as usual with that style.
(What kinda moron thinks it makes sense to spend unholy amounts of money on special effects that wind up a blink and you miss it smear on the screen?)

Not overall impressed with the ship designs, the bridge looked even less practical than the originals, the idea of freestanding vertical objects on a starship bridge just grinds my gears.

I would definitely give it a B+ overall, however, which comin from me is certainly high praise for a series I often refer to as Star Drek...

But really, it was Pine as Kirk that did it.



TELL me Pine didn't bring that home, go ahead and try, lol.

-F

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 12:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd rate Abrams' Trek no higher than a 3. And I'm being generous with that.


I understand that take on it- at moments I almost feel that way m'self, but I can't deny how much fun I have watching it.
Okay, so, shallow, no message, no Kirk moral speech at the end, curved nacelle struts...

I'm a Trekkie that takes what he cans.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 12:05 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Spock was solid, I was impressed, but there just seemed to be some small slice missing, though I cannot put my finger on it, really.
It was Zack's voice, it lacks that raspy quality. Quinto should talk to Christian Bale on that.
Quote:




TELL me Pine didn't bring that home, go ahead and try, lol.

Yeah, especially in the last scene where he told Bones to buckle up.


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Saturday, December 5, 2009 5:43 PM

FREMDFIRMA



heh heh heh.

You HAVE to wonder if perhaps Kirks personality didn't have something to do with WHY they sent him way out in the back of beyond to explore the frontiers..

Can you *imagine* dealing with him on a daily basis at Starfleet HQ ?

He'd be assassinated in less than a week!

-F

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 6:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I *loved* it. To me, it's the best Trek in a long damn time. If this is a complete reboot of the whole series, I'm in.

As a Star Trek movie, I give it a solid 9 out of 10. This is the ONLY Trek movie I've ever seen that actually had me on the edge of my seat, squirming in my seat, actually wondering if they were going to survive the fight on the "drill" - and knowing, of course, that they HAVE TO - but it still made for some damn fun and tense watching.

Action-wise, it's the best Trek I can imagine. STORY-wise, though, it's not up to "Khan". But what is?

Mike

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 7:02 PM

KHAMBILO


Yeah, I liked it, though not a wrath of kahn.

And I'll echo the statements about McCoy and others. Spot on.

Funny that no one mentioned Uhura yet though. I thought Zoe Saldana did a good job of playing Uhura, bringing youthfulness to the character, as well as pay proper homage to Nichelle Nichol's portrayal. But that's my opinion. Any thoughts?

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Saturday, December 5, 2009 7:53 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I *loved* it. To me, it's the best Trek in a long damn time. If this is a complete reboot of the whole series, I'm in.

Me too, I just hope more substance will follow.


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Saturday, December 5, 2009 7:56 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by khambilo:
Funny that no one mentioned Uhura yet though. I thought Zoe Saldana did a good job of playing Uhura, bringing youthfulness to the character, as well as pay proper homage to Nichelle Nichol's portrayal. But that's my opinion. Any thoughts?
I liked her a lot, it's just the kissing on Spock (and his reciprocation) that unsettled me.
Otherwise, good show, albeit a little lite.


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Sunday, December 6, 2009 7:41 AM

SAFEAT2ND


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by khambilo:
Funny that no one mentioned Uhura yet though. I thought Zoe Saldana did a good job of playing Uhura, bringing youthfulness to the character, as well as pay proper homage to Nichelle Nichol's portrayal. But that's my opinion. Any thoughts?
I liked her a lot, it's just the kissing on Spock (and his reciprocation) that unsettled me.

I had the same reaction. Maybe I'm just not used to Uhura being... well... sexy. Not to say Nichelle Nichol wasn't/isn't a sexy woman, just that her character was very rarely portrayed as anything other than 'one of the guys'.

I'm on the fence on how I felt about Scotty, Chekov and Sulu.

I kinda liked the ship. If only Star Trek creators could EVER be consistant with their scale. If nothing else, they are consistant at being inconsistant, no matter who helms the script or direction. They constantly sacrifice scale for what looks pretty on screen.

I hate to say it but Kirk is only 4ft tall

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Sunday, December 6, 2009 9:55 AM

OPPYH


Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Pine as Kirk completely nailed it, come on, let's admit it - Kirk is an obnoxious jackass, and Pine brought his A game to the party with that one, larger than life, full of himself to a grating degree, and absolutely determined not to lose.

Karl Urban as Bones, now that was eerie, you'd almost swear that WAS Deforest Kelly, I've never seen a homage so bloody perfect, I don't think, he even got the unique manner of speaking and cadence down to a flawless degree, he *worked* that one, I can only imagine the effort that took.


Kirk's character always a bit into himself, but he was also the most selfless captain ever to inhabit the Star Trek universe in times of serious dilemma(also proven in this film).

Urban as Bones....freaking awesome!

Simon Pegg as Scotty did a fantastic job. I hope in the sequel he will get more screen time.

Chekov, and Sulu were slightly less than average for me.

Pike was great.

Uhura and Spock...well I always new something was going on between the two. Just watch season one of the original series and see what I mean.

out of 10 I give the new Star Trek film a solid 8.


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Sunday, December 6, 2009 11:07 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
out of 10 I give the new Star Trek film a solid 8.

7.5 to 8 sounds about right.
For comparison, Serenity is a 10, Voyage Home is a 9.

Hey! My finished paint job:



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Monday, December 7, 2009 8:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


SorryIsAll, Chris, but Serenity IS NOT A TEN. No movie or 'verse in which Wash and Book die can ever get a ten in my book.

Just sayin', is all.

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Monday, December 7, 2009 10:23 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I love every minute of the movie. I love the music, the story, the actors, and the effects. This movie is epic on many different levels. It has a seriousness to it that we have not seen in decades with Trek. It has little political or cultural correctness in it, and that's very refreshing. When Sulu runs his blade thru the chest of the Romulan I said holy shit, now we're talkin'! Everyone's young, and everything is new. It's perfect to see them all grow a bit into their new careers.
For those trying to compare Chris Pine as Kirk to Bill Shatner's Kirk, one must remember that in Star Trek series, Kirk had already had many years of experience as Captain, and his confidence and swagger came after many, many successful missions. Pine's Kirk is just starting out, and I would have to rate his performance as a young Kirk as superb.
I give this movie the highest rating possible. It's the best & most fun sci fi movie I've seen since Serenity.

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Monday, December 7, 2009 10:26 AM

BRIGLAD


Finally saw it the other night.

I'm impressed. Bones was spot on. How an actor as young as Urban could be as curmudgeonly as Deforest Kelly is amazing.

The new Enterprise design is different but I do like it.

Overall, I'll give it a solid 8.5. Worth watching again... more than twice even.


Bri


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Monday, December 7, 2009 11:16 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:
Originally posted by safeat2nd:

I kinda liked the ship. If only Star Trek creators could EVER be consistant with their scale. If nothing else, they are consistant at being inconsistant, no matter who helms the script or direction. They constantly sacrifice scale for what looks pretty on screen.



Not in this one. It stay within scale for this film. The ship is twice as big as the original), in order to accommodate the larger scale sets within.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 10:35 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.


Has anyone noticed Chris has an obsession with Star Trek? Whats wrong with him?

I like that; reminds me of me.

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 1:48 AM

CHRISISALL


Wanna get me started on Dark Angel again instead?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:01 AM

RIVERLOVE


I wasn't all that impressed when I saw it in the theater back in May. Now that I have the DVD and have seen it twice at home, my opinion has changed. It's much better than I originally felt. There are a couple of scenes which I think are truly masterful, and the whole movie itself is really quite entertaining, humorous, and thought-provoking. I rate it an 8.5 of 10.

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:50 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
It's much better than I originally felt.
To me, it's like Spiderman 3; I left the theatre feeling it was okay, but not all that.
Subsequent viewings made it work so much better for me. Same with Trek.
It's the forgiveness factor. Enough was good that we let other stuff slide.
Compare to, say, Aliens, where you came out of the theatre with your jaw hanging down. Astounding from jump.


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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 10:28 AM

OPPYH


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Compare to, say, Aliens, where you came out of the theatre with your jaw hanging down. Astounding from jump.

Cameron said "Aliens is like 40 miles of bad road".

The best damn bad road I've ever been on





"B guns dry"

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 11:47 AM

CITIZEN


It was the best ever trek film.

Excluding every other trek film, of course.

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 1:01 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
It was the best ever trek film.

Excluding every other trek film, of course.

Cit!!! Long time no see in these here parts!

So, you didn't like it just 'cause it sucked, is that it?


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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 1:13 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
It was the best ever trek film.

Excluding every other trek film, of course.


Even Nemesis? Surely your sense of nostalgia can't be so powerful as to make you believe that.

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 1:16 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Wanna get me started on Dark Angel again instead?


The laughing Chrisisall


Oh, Lord, NO!!!!

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 1:30 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Wanna get me started on Dark Angel again instead?


The laughing Chrisisall



NNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 4:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Chris, what was you favorite episode of Dark Angel?

And who was your favorite character?

Best story arc?

Least favorite character?



(Sorry, guys, but I just can't resist!)

Mike

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 5:29 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Chris, what was you favorite episode of Dark Angel?
Haven
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And who was your favorite character?
Max, of course.
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Best story arc?
Lydecker turning sorta good at the end of season one.
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Least favorite character?
Joshua, for taking so much time away from the Logan/Max thing.
Quote:

(Sorry, guys, but I just can't resist!)
You suck, Mike, you know I can't not answer! Damn you!






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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 5:32 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


I'll beam in (see what I did there... :P) Er with an 8 out of 10 Star Trek ratings. That's in relation to Trek films. I found it really enjoyable and free from the confines that so regularly shackles the whole star trek universe.




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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 5:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
You suck, Mike, you know I can't not answer! Damn you!


Oh, I *KNOW* you can't let it go by. That's why I asked. I wanted to indulge you. Besides, any reason for you to work in more Dark Angel isn't a bad thing. It wasn't MY favorite show, but I like that you loved it so much. Reminds me of the way I am about Buffy. :)


Oh, and earlier I said as a Trek film, I give it a 9. That's in relation to the Trek universe, of course. Khan gets about a 9.5 from me, but honestly, I think I'd rather watch the new Trek again rather than watch Khan again. Probably because I've only seen Khan about a hundred times, I suppose...

Compared to OTHER, NON-Trek movies, I still give the Abrams movie a solid 8.0; damn good, but not perfect. The casting gets a 10, though, no matter what you compare it to. I thought the cast was just perfect. And nice to see Captain Pike not in his washing machine! :)

Mike

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:37 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
honestly, I think I'd rather watch the new Trek again rather than watch Khan again. Probably because I've only seen Khan about a hundred times, I suppose...

I hadn't watched ST2, 3 or 4 in YEARS until the new releases just came out. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, I guess.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:24 AM

CITIZEN


Nemesis merely sucked.

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Nemesis merely sucked.
I agree. I also think it could have been saved with a minor re-write & Stewart playing both Picard & Shinzon.


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Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:58 AM

STORYMARK


It didn't "just" suck - it defined suck for Trek. God, that film is a piece of shite.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:38 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
It didn't "just" suck - it defined suck for Trek. God, that film is a piece of shite.

Suddenly, "Bill's turn" doesn't look so bad, eh?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:52 AM

STORYMARK


I'm not a fan of 5 either, but it is at least it's own film, rather than a desperate attempt to remake II with a script written by an overeager fanboy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:17 PM

OPPYH


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I hadn't watched ST2, 3 or 4 in YEARS until the new releases just came out. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, I guess.


Possibly. I watched 2,3, and 4 recently. I've come to the conclusion that they are just really good films, Trek or otherwise.

They can't get old to me. The motion picture, while a little slower paced was also quite good.

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:21 PM

OPPYH


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Compared to OTHER, NON-Trek movies, I still give the Abrams movie a solid 8.0; damn good, but not perfect. The casting gets a 10, though, no matter what you compare it to. I thought the cast was just perfect. And nice to see Captain Pike not in his washing machine! :)



I hope the sequel will have a bridge closer to the original series,(a little more colorful) and not so generic looking.

I was thinking the sequel should start with Kirk, Spock, and Bones in an away mission on an alien planet. That would be freaking awesome. I get chills just thinking about it.

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I think the bridge looks a bit too much like the inside of the Apple Store. As a longtime Mac user, I approve, but I'm not sure the style will hold up for the next few hundred years...

'Course, those natty outfits in "Khan" haven't really stood the test of time, either. ;)

Mike

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:22 AM

CITIZEN


I think the new film had all the depth of a cheese sandwich. And I don't mean proper cheese, no Brie, Cheddar or Wenslydale here, no I mean processed cheese. That plastic crap you yanks think is cheese for some reason.

I mean if you had to choose between Star Trek 2009 and Die Hard for a deep meaningful storyline, go with Die Hard.

It's like if someone were to make a Scooby Doo film, but with "real" ghosts instead of crooked real estate agents. Yeah it's sorta like Scooby Doo, but they've kinda missed the entire point.

Wait. They did do that to Scooby Doo didn't they? Never mind.

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

I mean if you had to choose between Star Trek 2009 and Die Hard for a deep meaningful storyline, go with Die Hard.

Well, DUH!


The Yippie-Kai-Yea Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


'Course, the next time I watch a Star Trek movie for a deep, meaningful story line will be the absolute FIRST time... ;)

Mike

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:52 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
'Course, the next time I watch a Star Trek movie for a deep, meaningful story line will be the absolute FIRST time... ;)

So, you never saw TMP?
See it; it's slow, but deep.


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Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Chris, you know me well enough by now to know that when I post something, you should in all likelihood say to yourself before reading, "Okay, here comes some snark..."

Yeah, saw it. The movies always TRY to have some kind of deep message, but it's not what we go to see 'em for, is it?

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:46 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Chris, you know me well enough by now to know that when I post something, you should in all likelihood say to yourself before reading, "Okay, here comes some snark..."

LOL. Mike, you know me well enough by now to know that when I post something in response to snark, that I take the Spock literalism route.
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Yeah, saw it. The movies always TRY to have some kind of deep message, but it's not what we go to see 'em for, is it?

Not since Wrath Of Khan. Unfortunately, it was the "Goldfinger" of Trek movies- the pattern every wannabe sucessful Trek flick would follow (except Voyage Home). Battle Trek replaced exploration & discovery in favour of its new matrix. Too bad IMO. A better middle ground between TMP & WOK could have been found. Well, perhaps in the next Abram's effort, eh?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:28 AM

IMNOTHERE


Eh? Was there a new Trek Movie? Or do you mean the recent directors cut of "Star Trek Nemesis" where they edited out the TNG crew and digitally replaced them with new actors playing the TOS crew?

OK - that's a bit uncalled for: I liked the establishment of the "new" characters; having someone change the past so they didn't have to worry too much about canon is probably a good idea and the fan shout-outs were quite fun (from Kobiachi Maru to Archer's dog) - but the plot? Oh, for shame:

Renegade Romulan? check.
Giant planet-killer ship? check.
Ramming speed!!! check.
Gratuitous car-chase sequence? check.
Major character killed off? whole fracking planet killed off!

Oh, and by the way, did Scotty nearly getting blended remind anybody else of either (a) Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or (b) the "stompers" in Galaxy Quest?

Plus - generally nice sets, except for the engineering deck stuff which looked suspiciously like the factory that Doctor Who always uses for spaceship-interiors.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Battle Trek replaced exploration & discovery in favour of its new matrix.


Wouldn't it be great if they could, oh, I dunno, explore some strange new worlds, seek out new life or civilizations and boldly go where no trek movie has gone before?

Lets just hope we don't get a renegade Ferrengi in a giant planet-killer spaceship trying to destroy Earth.


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Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:13 AM

CHRISISALL


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Oh, and by the way, did Scotty nearly getting blended remind anybody else of... Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

Affirmative.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:18 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:
Originally posted by ImNotHere:

Wouldn't it be great if they could, oh, I dunno, explore some strange new worlds, seek out new life or civilizations and boldly go where no trek movie has gone before?

No, that sort of script takes effort. Do they look like people who want to work for their money?

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