Oh boy... Joss gets triple teamed by Buffy / Angel alums - Charisma, Sarah , Amber by AURaptor

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Know what's missing in all these ' my truth ' stories ??

Facts.

Joss was mean. OK. Got it. He was a d-bag to Charisma. Fair enough. But as much as I love Joss getting his due... how is he all that different than others in Hollywood ?

If he was boinking these girls, and making him do "stuff" to stay on the show... OK then, but that's not what I'm hearing.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:10 PM

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... how is he all that different than others in Hollywood ?

If he was boinking these girls, and making him do "stuff" to stay on the show... OK then, but that's not what I'm hearing.

1. Give it a minute, I'm quite sure there's more. It's clear he was always like this.

2. He's NOT any different, which is still sad...and stupid. Now all he has is a tarnished legacy.

3. Why are you still trying to defend it, either way? NO ONE should have to put up with that nonsense. Your ego REALLY tied into his THAT DAMN MUCH??

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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:29 PM

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3. Why are you still trying to defend it, either way? NO ONE should have to put up with that nonsense. Your ego REALLY tied into his THAT DAMN MUCH??

That didn't take long.

I'm not defending anything or one. All I did was ask for the facts.

Now, that he has 4 former actors of his coming out and talking about this... pretty damning. Especially since Joss was all about the whole ' Grrl power' thing.

Not every guy is a Harvey Weinstein. ( who was 'adored' by the women in Hollywood because they pretty much had to, to keep a job ). Some are Morgan Freeman, who were wrongly accused of being ' overly flirtatious'. Yeah, some men like women. Got it.

We've heard stories about Joss. Ex wife said he used to sleep around ... with actresses. It's no secret he surrounded himself with a very attractive female cast. I think it's not too far fetched to ask... were any on the show because of their casting couch abilities? Because that would be... extremely problematic.

Joss ( unknowingly ) insulted young girls who had survived cancer, in a lame attempt to make a political jab. They were in HIGH SCHOOL, Joss, FFS. But even if they weren't cancer survivors, it was still a monumental dickish thing for him to do.

But I've not heard any specifics on with whom Joss cheated, and the circumstances. So I won't play the speculation game.

We do now have 4 saying he's a tyrant on the set. Folks in all areas have tyrants in their lives, for some periods, as bosses, teachers, etc... it's not uncommon.

I was a fan. Obviously. Of his work. Certainly never of his politics. My view of him started taking a turn to the negative before Serenity even came out. But I mostly brushed it off ... 'Hollywood' and all.

Ahhh, the good ol days.

Anyways, it seems his name is Mudd. Will more come out ? Will things get worse for him? No idea.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:31 PM

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I'm not defending anything or one. All I did was ask for the facts.

Funny how your asking for "facts" always sounds like you are marginalizing anyone who didn't record all their conversations. Like you always do, right??

He did it, he's an ass. He didn't murder anyone, move on.

Like I said in another thread...LOTS of stupid assholes on this planet.

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Thursday, February 11, 2021 12:39 PM

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Funny how your asking for "facts" always sounds like you are marginalizing anyone who didn't record all their conversations. Like you always do, right??

It only sounds like it to you. Asking for facts is simply asking for facts. How is it that your default position on ALL matters is to make something an ad hominem crusade against someone who in YOUR mind has at some point of your life aggrieved you in some fanciful way ?

Honey,( I say now in a condescending tone ) this ain't about you or me. Get over it.

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He did it, he's an ass. He didn't murder anyone, move on.

Like I said in another thread...LOTS of stupid assholes on this planet.

I don't know WHAT he did. Sorry, but I draw some distinction between ' mean things ' , being an a-hole ' and depriving someone of their rights through force or fraud.

If it's just the former, then fine. If he's done more, say on a Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby level, is your attitude still gonna be ' move on '?

Never mind, I don't care. But I think most others would like to know exactly what he's done before he's #Cancelled.

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Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:13 PM

I don't even need facts. Facts are hard to come by in a he said she said situation. However, specifics would make this situation a lot more easier to define. People say he was mean on set. OK well that has a wide range of possibilities. Did he yell at people when they were late or forgot lines? Did he physically assault people? Did he take away the snacks on set? Like there's all sorts of things that could be considered mean and some of them are awful and some of them are tiny slights. I don't like my office manager because she orders the breakfast tacos that I don't like. I might call her mean but if someone knew why they might not care too much.

Charisma claims she was fired for getting pregnant though they actually bent over backwards to work the pregnancy into the show. They could have written her out pretty easily but they didn't. So, while that's her opinion and I don't think she's lying, I kinda doubt that it's the whole truth. Joss called her fat behind her back. OK but Joss is sarcastic almost all the time. He could look really bad if people read his words in print out of context.

That being said a lot of people seem to not like him. So, there's a darn good chance he's difficult on set. Still there seem to be a lot of other people who enjoy working with him. I mean do you think anyone acted in Much Ado About Nothing because they were expecting a huge payday? That whole production seemed like a bunch of actors getting a chance to just do something they enjoy. Actors have talked about how they meet at Joss's house to read Shakespeare on weekends for fun. Are we really going to pretend they're all just pretending because they think he'll make them rich?

I've had horrible bosses but I've also been able to get along with them just fine outside of work. Having a bad management style doesn't make someone a monster. I'm sure he's not perfect. I'm not sure he's evil just yet.

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Thursday, February 11, 2021 5:17 PM

To add more confusion Anthony Stewart Head says he wasn't aware of any of it.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a35477720/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-
toxic-workplace-claims-anthony-head/

So, if it was a really toxic work environment then you'd think everyone would know. So, now it's more that he may have had his public image and maybe he was just cruel to certain people behind closed doors.

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Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:03 PM

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I don't even need facts.

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Did he yell at people when they were late or forgot lines? Did he physically assault people? Did he take away the snacks on set? Like there's all sorts of things that could be considered mean and some of them are awful and some of them are tiny slights. I don't like my office manager because she orders the breakfast tacos that I don't like. I might call her mean but if someone knew why they might not care too much.

See, 'facts' make a difference in the story. In how we assess what really happened, and what was either blown out of proportion or may have been a valid problem.

( Umm, we see this in the political world too, but I digress )

And now I can't believe I'm saying this, but why does it matter that Anthony is saying he didn't see anything ? Maybe how Joss treated him, and older male English actor, was different than how he treated younger attractive women in their 20's.

Harvey Weinstein's antics were an open secret in Hollywood for many years. So the claim that ' if he had done something really bad, why didn't anyone say something then? Why didn't they just walk away ? ' seems incomplete. This is the age of #MeToo, #TimesUp, etc... but that may have exactly zero to do with Joss and his history.

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Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:13 PM

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"I am gutted, seriously gutted, because one of my memories, my fondest memory [from Buffy] is the fact it was so empowering. Not just in the words in the script, but the family feel of the show."

So he's not saying it didn't happen, just that he didn't see it.

Sounds like he's shaken up a bit. 3 of his co-workers took sides against Joss, and it seems he wasn't aware ( or claim he wasn't ) of there being an issue.

I guess ' I dint see nuffin ' is the best Joss has for a 'defense' from others on his show.

* Speaking of those who didn't have issues with Joss, the Much ado about nothing folks, maybe Joss simply had a 'cool kids' group, a pecking order, that he preferred some over others. Seems Sarah was a bit of a diva, as has been mentioned here, I believe, and she didn't exactly get along with Charisma, yet here both are, taking sides against Joss. Might be something to that. I dunno.

** Would it be a safe bet that those who Joss favored, the 'cool kids ', might have been what he considered the more serious actors? Not just pretty faces for TV ?

Just a random thought.

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Friday, February 12, 2021 9:47 AM

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** Would it be a safe bet that those who Joss favored, the 'cool kids ', might have been what he considered the more serious actors? Not just pretty faces for TV ?

Just a random thought.

This is sort of the impression I'm getting. That Joss was probably not too kind to people he felt weren't putting a serious effort into acting. That's total speculation because we don't have any details. The most detailed thing I've heard is James Marsters saying Joss backed him up against a wall one time and told him that he didn't care what the fans thought that Joss was still going to kill him off. Which is inappropriate for sure, but like does anyone think Joss could take James in a fight? Super unlikely. So, I doubt Joss was seriously threatening a physical altercation. It just sounds like Joss is very intense about his writing and his ideas for the show. He clearly doesn't like having to change his vision. Not in Buffy, not in Angel, not in Avengers. Those are always the times when he's the most visibly frustrated. Clearly he doesn't handle it well and that's not ok. It's something he should work on. But if that's all of it then I don't think he should be shunned from society.

Now there's this: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michelle-trachtenberg-says-rule-bu
ffy-041530998.html

Again inappropriate with a teenage girl can range from criminal "lock him up and throw away the key" to yelling at someone who is too young to handle it. Again details are really important but no one seems to want to go into detail.

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Friday, February 12, 2021 11:41 AM

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" The last. Comment I will make on this. Was. There a rule. Saying. He's not allowed in the room with Michelle again "

I don't know, Michelle, WAS there such a rule? Are you trying to say something by not actually coming out and stating it as a fact? You were 15 or what ever, didn't anyone TELL you there was a rule ?? To reassure you ?

And this word - again . This implies he was, at some time, and was now longer allowed to be alone with her.

What. Actually. Happened ??

She said " So now. People know. What Joss. Did. ". No, we really don't ! Was he mean, say bad things, or did he cross some very specific lines ?

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Friday, February 12, 2021 2:18 PM

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The most detailed thing I've heard is James Marsters saying Joss backed him up against a wall one time and told him that he didn't care what the fans thought that Joss was still going to kill him off.

Again details are really important but no one seems to want to go into detail.

It doesn't even remotely matter the reason, no one should be putting hands on anyone that works for a person in that manner, and even actors are allowed to NOT have to detail publicly things that made them feel humiliated. It's not like the details are suddenly more provable when spoken. There IS enough of a cohesive pattern to make it clear to people that aren't looking to make a justification that Joss was a dick... and possibly a criminal dick.

There are things that happened to me as a kid that I have never spoken about either. Which is MY LIFE AND MY RIGHT.

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Friday, February 12, 2021 3:59 PM

I guess I'm just not willing to say someone should be exiled from society because they're just a dick. There are lots of dicks I work with every day. I would appreciate if they would be a little nicer, but I can learn to put up with them.

Now if someone is physically abusive that's a whole different story. That I would support keeping him out of the director's chair.

To me the details of what they're accusing him of are important.

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Friday, February 12, 2021 4:30 PM

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I guess I'm just not willing to say someone should be exiled from society because they're just a dick. There are lots of dicks I work with every day. I would appreciate if they would be a little nicer, but I can learn to put up with them.

I sense universal agreement here.

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Now if someone is physically abusive that's a whole different story. That I would support keeping him out of the director's chair.

To me the details of what they're accusing him of are important.

And it's in the details which may or may not come out that determines how Joss is ultimately viewed and judged.

This reminds me a bit like the Bobby Knight situation. Ass of a man, arrogant, insufferable and insulting, but there are those who absolutely adore him as a coach. They felt his demeanor and harsh attitude was a mark of greatness. Endure his wrath, do what he asks of his players, and you'll be a better man for it. The boot camp mentality of it all either breaks or bonds you.

Oversimplification ? Probably, but I've yet to see anyone come out in full on support for Joss. Anthony Head's " I didn't see nuthin " comments fall far short. But we'll see.

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Friday, February 12, 2021 9:22 PM

Joss's own lack of protest is EVERYTHING.

If entire groups of people were accusing me of something I didn't do, the world would know.

Fat headed douche to women, played nice with all the guys that didn't intimidate him. And I am pretty damn sure they knew what was going on, but ALSO played pretend so they could keep their jobs.

How much sucking up and playing pretend did Nathan and Alan do?? Not hearing anything from them, either.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 10:33 AM

https://www.thewrap.com/firefly-writer-jose-molina-says-joss-whedon-br
agged-about-making-female-writers-cry/

Tagline says it all really.

"Casually cruel’ is a perfect way of describing Joss,” “Firefly” writer Jose Molina wrote in a tweet Friday evening, adding the #IStandWithCharisma hashtag. “He thought being mean was funny. Making female writers cry during a notes session was especially hysterical. He actually liked to boast about the time he made one writer cry twice in one meeting.”

Add Eliza to the list.

https://www.vulture.com/2021/02/eliza-dushku-supports-charisma-carpent
er-joss-whedon-claims.html
She goes on to say that failing to point out the “power/gender/sexual/racial abuse” in the entertainment industry only enables abuse and abusive systems, and thanks Carpenter for her courage. “It starts and will end because of courageous truth-tellers like you. I admire, respect, and love you,” Dushku concludes.

Carpenter posted a lengthy statement to Instagram on February 10, alleging that Whedon was frequently “mean and biting, disparaging about others openly, and often played favorites, pitting people against one another to compete and vie for his attention and approval” on the set of Buffy.

Sounds like Joss is a class A narcissist. Like I say, every atrocity in history has a narcissist leading the way. Epidemic of damage.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 1:34 PM

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So Joss has a thing about making young females cry and feel subservient to him, huh?

Which makes perfect sense as to why he essentially called a group of young HS girls who survived cancer hookers , but not really hot ones, as a round about way to insult then President Trump.

Summer was on both Angel and Firefly. The next youngest woman was Jewel, who had been in the business for some time already. I wonder what their opinions are on all this, or if like Anthony Stewart Head, they also didn't see nuffin.

I'm guessing Joss never tried to intimidate Nathan or Adam.

Again, I guess we'll just have to wait a few days and see what else comes out.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 4:01 PM

WHOZIT

Nothing from the "Firefly" cast....interesting.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 5:54 PM

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Which makes perfect sense as to why he essentially called a group of young HS girls who survived cancer hookers , but not really hot ones, as a round about way to insult then President Trump.

I know your brain cells are no longer functioning, but it wasn't aimed at Chump, it was aimed at Paul Ryan.

Don't have to work at insulting Chump and his followers, you are already retarded

Wonder how many people you know would have something horrible to say about YOU?
I'm willing to bet... EVERY DAMN ONE.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 6:52 PM

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I know your brain cells are no longer functioning, but it wasn't aimed at Chump, it was aimed at Paul Ryan.

Let's revisit, since you could NOT resist shoving your foot in your mouth.

Again.

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His original tweet, which has now been deleted, read: 'Tonight on White House Wife Hunt, Donny makes host P. Ryan give 2 more contestants the 'Not a 10 card'.'

However, the message was immediately criticised with social media users suggesting his comment was 'cruel' and 'sexist' and showed him being 'out of touch'.

To recap -

White House Wife hunt ( aimed the President Trump )
'Donny' ( mocking Donald J. Trump )
Host P.Ryan give(s) ,.. ( Yes, a swipe at Spkr. Ryan. )

Maybe you're confused with the OTHER time Joss attacked P. Ryan when he said he'd like to see a Rhino ass rape him to death with his horn.

Sounds like something YOU'D enjoy, don't it? Not sure the rhino would care to be a part of any of that though. Blech.

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Don't have to work at insulting Chump and his followers, you are already retarded

And here I thought you NPC sky screamers were against using that word. Huh.

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Wonder how many people you know would have something horrible to say about YOU?
I'm willing to bet... EVERY DAMN ONE.

Not many, as I don't give them any reason to. Unlike you, as you appear to be deflecting and projecting onto others what you've obviously been on the receiving end of for most of your adult life.

Trollina, I pity you.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 7:05 PM

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Nothing from the "Firefly" cast....interesting.

Well, it's only been a few days. Give it time.

Alan and Nathan both have shows on currently, so I'd expect them to keep a low profile.

I guess the 2 main people we'd expect to hear from are Summer and Jewel.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 11:26 PM

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Buffy fans urge David Boreanaz and Alyson Hannigan to speak up about Joss Whedon claims... as Angel actor wipes his Instagram account

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9257109/Buffy-star-David
-Boreanaz-wipes-Instagram-account-fans-urge-actor-speak-up.html

Welp, here we go. Now NOT speaking out is reason to cancel. For what your old boss did, not you.

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Sunday, February 14, 2021 12:01 AM

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Donny makes host P. Ryan give 2 more contestants the 'Not a 10 card'.'

And here I thought you NPC sky screamers were against using that word. Huh.

The picture that was captioned was of RYAN, you twit.

Like I've said a dozen times, not that a fuck-tard like you can comprehend...HE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT RYAN FOR MONTHS, ALREADY. Had a hard-on for the guy or something...Joss may be a narcissist, but at least even HE could tell which political party needs eradication.

I'll still give him points for that

And I mean retarded in a literal sense. Emotionally retarded, retarded in logic, retarded in how gullible you all are, retarded in understanding of psychology.
YOU. ARE. COMPLETELY. RETARDED.

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Sunday, February 14, 2021 12:03 AM

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Welp, here we go. Now NOT speaking out is reason to cancel. For what your old boss did, not you.

It's amazing how they look like money grubbing cowards for not saying anything...right?

Oh, that's right...you can't see anything through your retardation

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Sunday, February 14, 2021 12:38 AM

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Just remembered, there was a subplot in an episode where Cordelia was trying out for a commercial, and the director told her to put on this tiny bikini. He treated her like dirt, said she needed to lose weight ( she was nearly skin and bones ) , barked at her and basically threatened to fire her if she didn't cater to his every demand.

Just like Joss.

Angel shows up on set, nearly breaks the director in half, which leads to Cordelia getting fired.

Don't remember which episode this was, but I'm thinking early on in the series, when she was still a struggling actress.

Were the writes so lacking in self awareness, or did they think this was funny, making an episode of a dick head director and basically white knighting for women, when they were doing all this and more on their own set.

Freaking sick mofo's.

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Sunday, February 14, 2021 12:57 AM

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Joss may be a narcissist, but at least even HE could tell which political party needs eradication.

If you don't say 'both', then you're wrong. Simple as that.

And hilarious how after being shown to be wrong, you still insist you're right.

There's a level of phycological damage and or lack of intelligence going on w/ you that obviously requires professional help. I don't care if you get it or not. But for the safety of others, it'd be nice if ya did.

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Monday, February 15, 2021 12:11 AM

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If you don't say 'both', then you're wrong. Simple as that.

Sorry, the last four years made more than ample evidence of which party kneels at the alter of lies and which one just passes through the building once in a while.

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Monday, February 15, 2021 6:08 AM

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We all know the Dems lie & cheat with the ease that others breathe, but there's an entire dedicated forum for that topic.

And yeah, the last 4 years we had 1 fake dossier , a fake investigation, fake FISA warrants over imaginary issues, a fake whistleblower, a fake impeachment, a fake election, followed by another fake impeachment, from the folks who had a Senator who had a CCP spy on her staff for 20 years, and another Congressman ( same state , too ) who was literally sleeping with the enemy.

But that's for another thread, in an entirely different forum.

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Monday, February 15, 2021 7:56 AM

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Joss's own lack of protest is EVERYTHING.

If entire groups of people were accusing me of something I didn't do, the world would know.

Fat headed douche to women, played nice with all the guys that didn't intimidate him. And I am pretty damn sure they knew what was going on, but ALSO played pretend so they could keep their jobs.

How much sucking up and playing pretend did Nathan and Alan do?? Not hearing anything from them, either.

I'm hearing some here say it's unfair to treat a dick like a dick. That's a bit confusing. Doesn't the saying go; "what's good for the goose is good for the gander?"

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Monday, February 15, 2021 5:20 PM

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Nothing from the "Firefly" cast....interesting.
Well, it's only been a few days. Give it time.

Alan and Nathan both have shows on currently, so I'd expect them to keep a low profile.

I guess the 2 main people we'd expect to hear from are Summer and Jewel.

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It seems almost like folk forget that Joss was going to kill off Jayne, at the end of Ariel.

And how Inara was re-cast, and the cast learned not many re-shoot were needed, because of how Joss filmed her scenes - and they learned how devious he was.

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Monday, February 15, 2021 7:03 PM

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David Boreanaz and James Marsters Show Support For Their Buffy Co-Star

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/david-boreanaz-and-james-marsters-sh
ow-support-for-their-buffy-co-star/ar-BB1dHM7Y

I remember Inara was recast , and that she was gonna be killed off in the next season, if not earlier, but Jayne? That's news to me.

As for who Joss was schtooping, I can credit Gary @ Nerdrotic for finally giving out a name. Eliza Dushku.

Alleged, of course, and no idea who else, if any, from the show. But Gary was there at many a Con where both Joss and Eliza were at panels and Mrs. Nerdroctic thought Joss and Eliza were gonna hop on each other right there.

As for the Michelle Tractenberg issue that Joss never be alone with her in a room, IDK if that's entirely the whole story. Some are saying that it wasn't a Joss only thing, but that NO males were allowed to be in a room solo with young Ms Tractenberg. Now, was that because of something Joss DID, and a blanket 'all men' deal was made, to cover their bases? Or was that simply studio policy for any young, underaged actress ? I know that the implication is there, but again, we're really lacking any significant details here. I can see why no one is talking, because any criminal investigation could ruin individual careers ( other than Joss ) as well as sink the studio for liable.

Damn, I hate this chit.

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Tuesday, February 16, 2021 12:17 PM

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Actress Rebecca Gayheart was initially hired to play the part of Inara rappy but was fired after only one day of filming.

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Tuesday, February 16, 2021 4:58 PM

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Rebecca.. yeah. I could picture her but wasn't bothered enough to look it up. Lots of alternative actors don't make the cut. Look at Eric Stoltz instead of as Michael J. Fox as Marty McFly.

But back to this topic, where have the FIREFLY crew been?

Remember, Nathan made Stana cry on CASTLE. I wonder what all THAT was about. Anyone know ? I hope Nathan didn't pick up any of Joss's bad traits. Nathan seems like a pretty stand up guy, right?

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Tuesday, February 16, 2021 5:07 PM

There's a senior executive where I work who has made multiple men cry in meetings. People love to laugh about it in the break room. I'm not sure if this is specifically a woman thing or just jerks in power enjoying making underlings cry. Either way it's not good but if it's sexist as well that's pretty low.

Amy Acker said she supports people speaking their truth but also that she had a good, professional relationship working with Joss. So, it's not just a woman thing.

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Wednesday, February 17, 2021 4:24 PM

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Amy Acker said she supports people speaking their truth
but also that she had a good, professional relationship working with Joss. So, it's not just a woman thing.

There aren't many phrases I detest and reject harder than people talking about 'their truth'.

No. it's their OPINION , not Truth. Truth and opinions are not interchangeable.

We need to remember that.

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Thursday, February 18, 2021 12:15 AM

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Truth and opinions are not interchangeable.

We need to remember that.

Yer sucha fucking hypocrite.

"And yeah, the last 4 years we had 1 fake dossier , a fake investigation, fake FISA warrants over imaginary issues, a fake whistleblower, a fake impeachment, a fake election, followed by another fake impeachment, from the folks who had a Senator who had a CCP spy on her staff for 20 years, and another Congressman ( same state , too ) who was literally sleeping with the enemy."

The only thing fake in allllll of that, was the current members of Rethuglican government representing themselves as NOT being the most shallow, spineless, dickless, fellating, sugar-coating, hypocritical, lying, greedy, and delusional group EVER in the history of this country.

Gullibullz. Full steam into stupid, every day in every way.

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Thursday, February 18, 2021 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Amy Acker said she supports people speaking their truth
but also that she had a good, professional relationship working with Joss. So, it's not just a woman thing.

There aren't many phrases I detest and reject harder than people talking about 'their truth'.

No. it's their OPINION , not Truth. Truth and opinions are not interchangeable.

We need to remember that.

It's a stupid saying for sure. I hope that it's supposed to mean telling the truth about their personal experiences. At least that's how I read it.

I think it's one of the few things that people can say when they didn't experience anything the people are talking about. Like well if that's true I support you but I didn't experience anything like that. Seems like there's a few people who had bad experiences with Joss and others who are just like "wait what I thought everything was cool? but yeah totally support you guys if you had a bad experience".

I think about all we can conclude is that Joss doesn't run a completely toxic set where everyone is miserable. It seems he targets specific people and does something vaguely bad to them. He does these things in private so no one else can corroborate the information. Which only makes it more frustrating that things are so vague.

The thing I think is interesting in all of this is it started with that justice league guy who seemed to imply it was a race issue. So far not a single person has mentioned Joss being racist. So, while he may have been treated badly like some of these others. It doesn't seem like it was a racial issue.

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Thursday, February 18, 2021 4:23 PM

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The thing I think is interesting in all of this is it started with that justice league guy who seemed to imply it was a race issue. So far not a single person has mentioned Joss being racist. So, while he may have been treated badly like some of these others. It doesn't seem like it was a racial issue.

His biggest beef, I think was not wanting to say ' Booyah '. Somehow, he has managed to turn THAT into something racial, which is stupid on so many levels, but also has zero to do with Joss. Lacking any specific details, IDK what Joss is supposed to say, other than some generic - I tried his best to get the most out of his crew and if he went too far, then I'm sorry , type of apology.

( wishy, you're way out of your league and in a whole different forum. )

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Friday, February 19, 2021 11:30 AM

Yeah I think Joss is in a no win situation with trying to deny things right now. He can't deny that he ever did anything that vaguely upset anyone. Best he can do is say he never intended to hurt anyone's feelings and that if he got too intense on set that he's sorry and he'll work to do better. That won't be enough for the people out for blood. So, why say it?

I think he's hoping the whole thing will blow over. That's not going to work either.

Maybe the best move is to say "hey I clearly screwed up. I'm inviting everyone who's worked with me to send me a list of grievances so I can systematically go through them and learn from my mistakes. I never wanted to hurt anyone and I'm ashamed that I didn't realize what I was doing this whole time. I will work with anyone who will work with me to become a better person." Something like that might work. Then he'd need some people to take him up on the offer and he'd have to somehow convince them to publicly claim he's better now. Then he might have a career again. Or he could just retire with the millions I'm sure he's already made.

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Friday, February 19, 2021 5:39 PM

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Michelle Tractenberg really did leave the door open with her 'VERY' inappropriate comments about Joss.

What'd he do ? If it wasn't criminal, why not just fess up?

We know all sorts of stuff that Weinstein and Louis CK did. What'd Joss do? If anything.

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Friday, February 19, 2021 6:57 PM

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What'd Joss do? If anything.

You are a stupid piece of shit.

I hope she never tells, and I hope your dick rots off.

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Friday, February 19, 2021 6:59 PM

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No , really. I want to know. Why are you scared of the truth, psycho?

Doesn't Joss deserve a chance to respond? Vague charges aren't really something anyone can defend against, are they?

I'll never ass rape your skanky hole, so my parts are safe, but thanks for the offer.

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Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:02 AM

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Going back, watching some of these eps, it really is a shame. Because damn, there was some epic TV going on at the time too. I have to wonder, what might been if Joss wasn't such a colossal dickhead. Was that what was needed to make a great show ?

I dare say it may have even been better, but we'll never know.

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Monday, February 22, 2021 9:38 AM

I'm also really interested in what "very inappropriate" thing Joss did. I mean there is a lot that could fit into that category. He could have told her to go on a diet or he could have assaulted her. I mean for a teenage girl there's a lot that crosses the line.

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Monday, February 22, 2021 3:43 PM

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I'm also really interested in what "very inappropriate" thing Joss did. I mean there is a lot that could fit into that category. He could have told her to go on a diet or he could have assaulted her. I mean for a teenage girl there's a lot that crosses the line.

Yep, I agree. Is it Louis C.K., Harvey level stuff ? Was it propositions, suggestions, or demands ?

And I still can't get a straight answer if the 'Joss rule' of not being alone with Ms. Trachtenberg, applied to Joss only, or all males on the set. And was it in place before she came on board, or was it something which was done after an incident. I'd think that a production company would have safeguards in place , but then again, this was the late 90's, early '00s.

And why now ? What's the end game for Charisma and the rest of the gang ? Where do we go from here? - to quote a line from OMWF.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:31 PM

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Form all places, Jezebel -

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The Rise and Fall of Joss Whedon, and the Myth of the Hollywood Feminist Hero

“I hate ‘feminist.’ Is this a good time to bring that up?” Joss Whedon asked. He paused knowingly, waiting for the laughs he knew would come at the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer making such a statement. It was 2013, and Whedon was onstage at a fundraiser for Equality Now, a human rights organization dedicated to legal equality for women. Though Buffy had been off the air for more than a decade, its legacy still loomed large; Whedon was widely respected as a man with a predilection for making science fiction with strong women for protagonists. Whedon went on to outline why, precisely, he hated the term: “You can’t be born an ‘ist,’” he argued, therefore, “‘feminist’ includes the idea that believing men and women to be equal, believing all people to be people, is not a natural state, that we don’t emerge assuming that everybody in the human race is a human, that the idea of equality is just an idea that’s imposed on us.”

continued ...

https://theattic.jezebel.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-joss-whedon-and-the-
myth-of-the-h-1846288271

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Friday, February 26, 2021 10:53 AM

I like how the writer pretends that Dollhouse was some how glorifying the dolls being sent out as prostitutes. The whole show was about taking down the evil organization that did such things. They were very obviously not the heroes. The hero was the woman who fought through intense brainwashing to destroy her oppressors. The show had its issues with compelling storytelling, but the plot was still about a strong woman breaking free of a terrible situation.

I've read the Joss Whedon Wonder Woman script and this is mostly the same sort of cherry picking. Acknowledging a woman is beautiful is not anit-feminist. Look at some of the outfits Patty Jenkins put Wonder Woman in for 1984. The slit in her dress goes so far up she's basically wearing a bikini. Men are constantly shown hitting on her. It's much the same stuff but the movie is currently praised as empowering. However, if people want to tear it down they'll flip the script and claim it shows men are allowed to catcall women.

Another thing that I just remembered about the Charisma Carpenter pregnancy thing is that it was during Season 4 of Angel. Which means it's the season when Joss was involved in the final season of Buffy, starting and fighting for Firefly, and still helping out with Angel. Though from what I've read in the past Joss was not very involved with Angel that season due to the other shows. So, maybe there's a reason her agents couldn't get on the phone with him to talk about her pregnancy. Maybe talk to one of the producers or the network or any episode director or a writer or anyone else who could have gotten the word out. It also doesn't make it right for Joss to take it out on her, but it's easy to understand him being upset that he's working on so much and then has to throw out a bunch of scripts and rewrite. Lots of people lash out when they're stressed. If Joss apologized and regrets it that says a lot. If he didn't that says a lot too. I guess we'll have to wait for those details.

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Friday, February 26, 2021 9:07 PM