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Oh boy... Joss gets triple teamed by Buffy / Angel alums - Charisma, Sarah , Amber

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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I like how the writer pretends that Dollhouse was some how glorifying the dolls being sent out as prostitutes . The whole show was about taking down the evil organization that did such things. They were very obviously not the heroes. The hero was the woman who fought through intense brainwashing to destroy her oppressors. The show had its issues with compelling storytelling, but the plot was still about a strong woman breaking free of a terrible situation.

I didn't follow Dollhouse all that closely, but did ANY of the 'actives' get used as prostitutes? My take was that they were all sorts of different role playing parts, from secret agent, to corporate big wig and yeah, maybe 1 or 2 times, for entertainment. Sounds to me like the author didn't even watch the show, just read up about it and assumed from the title that it was some sort of high end prostitution program. cringe.


Good points about the timing and Joss's involvement with 3 shows. At the same time. Was this when he was also banging Eliza ? ( allegedly )

I can't say this excuses Joss, because we still don't have an accurate portrait of what really went on.

IIRC the Pilot episode had that assignment, possibly implied heavily.
Later, towards the end of the show, that sort of assignment was mentioned, or alleged, or implied when we were learning how evil the Corporation was, the Contracts were, and how they used that assignment type to punish/demoralize those Dolls who were becoming uncooperative, becoming aware, not successfully wiped fully.

However, I do recall thinking the ads and trailers drummed up that concept repeatedly.

Dollhouse started in 2009 I think, after Eliza and Joss brainstormed it over coffee or lunch. Did they know each other in 2002?

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:23 PM

WHOZIT


The truth is...we all owe Joss a big fat one. He may be a bit of a douche but he's given us some truly great stuff. Leave him the fuck alone. I've read that John Ford and Stanley Cramer were real dicks to work for, are you people going to boycott 'The Grapes or Wrath' and 'Inherit the Wind'? Shut up, ALL of you.

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 4:48 PM

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https://variety.com/2021/tv/features/joss-whedon-buffy-angel-charisma-
carpenter-toxic-workplace-1234915549
/

Next article on the subject is out. With "exclusive" interviews that apparently didn't offer much because 90% of the article is just regurgitating the same information we've read over and over already. The only real new detail is he again joked that a pregnant woman was fat. My guess is Joss thinks this is funny because they're not "fat" they're carrying a baby. Apparently he's about the only one who finds that joke funny.

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 5:28 PM

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Did they know each other in 2002?



Eliza played 'Faith' on Buffy, in S2, 1998, and then briefly appeared on Angel.

So, yeah, they knew each other.

Eliza also played the daughter of Arnold and Jamie Lee Curtis's characters in True Lies .


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Saturday, February 27, 2021 5:40 PM

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The only real new detail is he again joked that a pregnant woman was fat. My guess is Joss thinks this is funny because they're not "fat" they're carrying a baby. Apparently he's about the only one who finds that joke funny.


Well, Hollywood is obsessed with actors being slim, so I can see how it would be a thing in that industry. It's all about image and what the camera sees. And Joss, from all accounts, does seem to have a thing for the really attractive, fit looking cast. It's pretty obvious. The less attractive folks tend to be the comic relief or villains in the shows.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Sunday, February 28, 2021 8:58 PM

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OK, so not directly tied to Joss, and his issues, but on the matter of Ray Fisher, who did accuse Joss of 'something', possibly 'ist related, we now have this.

Ray is somewhat more of a Jessie Smollett, it seems, than a poor put upon actor.



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I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Friday, March 5, 2021 5:49 PM

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Seems others are a bit tired of the wolf cries from needy actresses.

And with out any real proof, or concrete claims , beyond " he was mean ", how is there any real story here ?



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Saturday, March 6, 2021 12:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm no Joss superfan like my younger brother who got me to watch Firefly is. I couldn't stand Buffy/Angel and used to make fun of it when my younger brothers watched it. Years later after he got me to watch Firefly and I loved it, he unsuccessfully tried to get me to watch that online musical he did and I couldn't watch more than a minute of it before I said no. To be fair, the only Musical I would ever watch is Little Shop of Horrors. I couldn't even sit through the South Park Movie and I freakin' love South Park.

But he did Firefly and Cabin in the Woods, and those were awesome. I even enjoyed Dollhouse when I gave that one a shot and think it was a shame it didn't go on longer.

I think Joss is a great artist, and is capable of making a little something for everybody. You might not like everything he ever puts out, but chances are really good that you're going to really like something in his catalog.


His personal life is nobody's business. Nobody needs to know what his ex-wife thinks about him. Divorces are miserable for everybody involved. My parents still hate each other 36 years later and haven't talked in over 25 years. Live as a child through that B.S. and you're not going to put any stock in anything that any divorced person has to say about their ex.

Maybe it's all true. Don't give a shit.


And as for these actresses... I'm done hearing about any of that either.

I don't think any of the claims have reached Harvey Weinstein levels with Joss, but at this point I'll even defend HW.

So you sold your body on a couch to get a job. You weren't held at gunpoint. You weren't drugged. You weren't raped. You made a business transaction to secure a job.


Is that a SUPER douchey thing to do to somebody as a person in a position of power. You're goddamned right it is. But it's not rape. You could have just said no and gone back to waitressing. You made the choice.

Fucking deal with it.

Let the man get back to work.

#EndCancelCulture

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Saturday, March 6, 2021 2:05 PM

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But he did Firefly and Cabin in the Woods, and those were awesome.


I think I'd have enjoyed Cabin in the Woods more had I not seen Angel. All I saw was Wolfram & Hart running the show, or one of its subsidiaries, even down to Fred being back in the science division. Because I'd seen this stuff before, it wasn't very original.


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And as for these actresses... I'm done hearing about any of that either.

I don't think any of the claims have reached Harvey Weinstein levels with Joss



Best I can tell, this all is centered on Charisma and her getting pregnant during the show. There's a lot of he-said, she-said, and I frankly don't believe anyone entirely. Joss had a show to produce, and a schedule to keep. Charisma, who apparently Joss was no fan of her acting in the 1st place, yet was TOLD he had to use her, now double resented her screwing up his production.

I get that. He can still be a colossal a-hole and not wrong because now one of his main stars is going to go through undeniable physical changes. And with him basically working 3 shows, ( Angel, Buffy, Firefly ) at once, I can see how weeks could go by where things went unsaid, unreported, wires get crossed, etc... there's a good chance he's not the only bad guy here. And when you add in the liability matters, her needing more rest, and then maternity leave... I can see how Joss's resentment towards the entire situation can amplify.

As for the other stuff, about Michelle T... I've no idea. He either did something, or he didn't. Said something, or not. It's been 20 years, and unless Joss is gonna be nominated for the USSC, we're apparently never gonna find out.




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Saturday, March 6, 2021 6:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


We've all had shitty bosses.

Either decide that the pros outweigh the cons, shut the fuck up and deal with it.

Or quit.

I don't think I'm alone when I say I'm tired of hearing rich people bitch about their lives.








This song goes out to each and every one of them.




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Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:33 AM

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Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Video or it didn't happen.

And who cares? Maybe she wasn't cut out for the job.

Go cry to your mom, bitch. Because nobody else gives a shit.


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" 'You're like the Nazis' is the new 'I don't like you'. That disqualifies her from marching around planet Who-Gives-a-Shit in a helmet? ~Bill Maher

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Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:39 AM

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Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:42 AM

THG


Joss Whedon's ex-wife accuses him of infidelity and feminist hypocrisy: 'He is not who he pretends to be'

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/joss-whedo
n-ex-wife-accusations-cheating-kai-cole-buffy-avengers-director-batgirl-feminist-hypocrisy-a7904221.html



Riddle me this. Why haven't any of the firefly cast come to his aid? To me their silence says it all.

T



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Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah.

Find me one bitter ex-wife/husband that doesn't talk a massive amount of shit about the other. Especially when they get to make it their life's work milking that cow for every penny it's worth.

Must be nice that your parents stuck together and didn't put you through that bullshit.


Don't you have some problems in your own life to fix instead of always worrying about what other people are doing, Ted?


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Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


And their silence says nothing.

They're just too smart to say a freakin' word because the fat fuck, self-hating, pink haired Twitter weirdos and morons like you will come for their heads if they say one wrong word.


Eventually, we're all going to stop listening to you. Many of us already have.




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Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:37 PM

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So...what's new? These sound like the same stories rehashed from before. Joss was mean. Made some girls cry.


Didn't think Charisma was a good actress. Maybe he's right. Maybe he resented having to work with her, despite the fantastic eye candy quality she brought to the show. ( Personally, I think her 'acting' was spot on for Cordellia, but what ever. )

Joss had the ability to get mad talent and great chemistry for his shows. I don't know why he'd continue to be an ass when they started filming , and after they were getting considerable success, but he's a dick. Lacking in any self awareness or tact, it seems.

Sounds like someone we all know, huh?

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Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It's just a bunch of 40 year old has-beens and never-weres that are mad that nobody wants to hire them anymore, grasping for that last 15 minutes of fame.

They're gross.


Sorry ladies. You can't all be Meryl Streep.

Hope you married rich and/or saved some of that cash for a rainy day.


Otherwise... I guess we'll be competing for the same minimum wage jobs in the future.

But fret not... I hear that they may raise the minimum wage to $15 by the time you start looking for a job.




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Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:46 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Charisma Carpenter calls for change following allegations against Joss Whedon

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a35736123/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-
charisma-carpenter-joss-whedon-change
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Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:43 PM

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She also insisted that people should not ask for more details than have already been divulged , they should not "play devil's advocate" when it comes to the accused, and everyone should "believe people when they say, This happened to me'".




Sorry babe, but that’s bullshit. You don’t get to call someone a witch , a rapist, an abuser etc... & automatically get onboard the sympathy train. That’s not how this works.

Jesus, she’s trying to make me feel sorry for Joss now!!

Stop it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2021 4:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I already DO feel sorry for Joss now.

And I'm not even a Joss fan in the first place.


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Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:48 PM

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I already DO feel sorry for Joss now.

And I'm not even a Joss fan in the first place.




She had me! I was on board, and it didn't take much for me to turn on Joss, trust me.

But hell, the more she DEMANDS to be taken seriously and act all offended that anyone would dare to ask for specifics and details, the more suspect her claims.


I hope Joss comes out and tells us how he fricked all those actresses. I want details.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2021 6:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Honestly, I hope he banged all of them.

It would have been their choice to indulge him, and his bitch ex-wife is a money grubbing bitch.

I couldn't care less about any of them. Including Joss.



I'm only defending him right now because this entitlement bullshit and "believe all women" needs to end. Women lie just like men do.


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Thursday, March 25, 2021 1:42 PM

ZEEK


https://ew.com/tv/the-nevers-stars-preview-supernatural-hbo-series-jos
s-whedon
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Obviously, there's been a lot of talk about working with Joss Whedon recently. What was your personal experience of working with Joss?

SKELLY: I loved working with Joss. I found him to be a lovely boss and director, he was very open. I felt he cared a lot for the actors and the crew. It was definitely one of my favorite on-set experiences for sure.

DONNELLY: From my personal experience, it was the best screen, film or TV, experience that I've had on any set. From my point of view, he always felt very supportive and protective of the artistic integrity and what we as actors needed in order to be able to do our job. One of the great things was the way that trickled down. I've never worked on a show that has a cast and a crew that all seem to be so at the top of their game and who are all so lovely and I say that without a single exception. They have just been such a joy to work with and I'm so thrilled that the vast majority we'll be back with later this year doing the rest of the series because it's been one of the best experiences of my career.

SKELLY: Everyone would show up to work happy to be there, ready to go. That is a very contagious feeling. It was a very positive energy.

DONNELLY: One of the first talks that we got from HBO, and I think this speaks to the culture as it has been learned about over the years and the progress that we've managed to make within the industry, was an HR talk about what you can do if you do ever feel uncomfortable on a set in any capacity at all. So we all knew that there were very clear lines of communication there if we ever felt that we were in any way uncomfortable. Certainly, from my point of view, I always felt like I was being very looked after in that capacity. I'd like to think that everybody else on set did too. I think that's brilliant of HBO. I'll always be grateful to them for providing that for us.



I'm sure people will ignore this and call them liars who just want to remain employed.

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Thursday, March 25, 2021 7:39 PM

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I'm sure people will ignore this and call them liars who just want to remain employed.


Not sure anyone here knows for certain, but I see a general consensus that Joss wasn't 100% a-hole, all the time. Few are, it would seem. But he likely has his favorites, his 'in crowd' of folks he thinks are talented, worthy enough, cool enough... what ever criteria he's using, and gets along just fine with them.

Then there's the others... the 'lessers' , those actors lacking in talent or intellect, as he views them, who are fair game for mock, ridicule and bullying.

Does this sound too far fetched ?

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Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It sounds exactly like any work place environment that us proles have to deal with every day we go to work.

Sorry. Not going to cry for people making that kind of money. If they don't like their job, they can quit. WalMart is always hiring.

And my guess is that somebody who is that dissatisfied with their semi-rich, semi-famous status isn't going to find any more happiness at a regular job. Especially when they see how little they made after two weeks of busting their hump.


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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:37 PM

ZEEK


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-j
ustice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership


The man finally speaks and it's even more pathetic than I ever expected. He was upset that Joss cut the movie down from the 4 hour epic that Snyder filmed into a feature length movie. Yeah of course Joss had to cut the slow backstory for the new characters. That's the studio's fault for trying to do a team up without ever giving the characters stand alone films to introduce them.

He plays the race card at every turn. Just because you're black and playing a black character doesn't mean you get to dictate to the studio and the director. That's not how it works. And he really did get upset about the booyah line. And yes Joss poked fun at him over it. I'm not at all surprised. He was throwing a temper tantrum over nothing. Of course Joss is going to treat him like a baby if he's acting like one.

This is why all the vague reports about abuse on set are difficult to interpret. If people gave these kinds of details I don't think there'd be much backlash at all.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:16 PM

THG


Joss Whedon threatened to harm Gal Gadot's career if she didn't say the lines he wrote for 'Justice League,' report says

Whedon said he would harm Gadot's career, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
Gadot and the "Wonder Woman" director Patty Jenkins then reportedly "went to battle" with Whedon.

Gadot told THR: "I had my issues with [Whedon] and Warner Bros. handled it in a timely manner."

More details are surfacing about what actors went through on the set of "Justice League" after controversial director Joss Whedon took over.

The Hollywood Reporter detailed a clash between Whedon and Gal Gadot, who plays Wonder Woman, in a feature story published Tuesday. Sources said Gadot pushed back on lines Whedon wanted her to say, which they said led to him threatening to harm Gadot's career.

"Joss was bragging that he's had it out with Gal," a witness on the set told the publication. "He told her he's the writer and she's going to shut up and say the lines and he can make her look incredibly stupid in this movie."

Representatives for Whedon and WarnerMedia did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/joss-whedon-threatened-to-harm-g
al-gadot-s-career-if-she-didn-t-say-the-lines-he-wrote-for-justice-league-report-says/ar-BB1fmkNJ?ocid=msedgntp



It goes on and on and it appears Joss has no friends supporting him. Where are the cast of FireFly and why aren't they speaking out? Or are they and I just haven't seen it. If you have links to them doing so please post them.

T



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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:16 PM

AURAPTOR

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Sounds like some are white knighting for Gal, while she's not saying anything specific herself.

I wonder why.






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Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:02 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


more news drama

Joss Whedon ‘threatened to harm Gal Gadot’s career’

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/joss-whedon-threatened-harm-gal-121616590.
html

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Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:55 AM

ZEEK


I mean is that really scandalous? If an actor won't do their job then directors will surely tell each other that the actor is a pain to work with which will in turn hurt their careers. That's just how jobs work. If I'm a pain to work with then I expect my manager to tell that to peer managers or any hiring manager who asks about me. This is completely standard. Yet they're acting like this threat was monstrous. I don't understand.

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