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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I've been collecting this series since it came out. Finally had a chance to read them(1-15), and HOLY SHIT, this is probably one of the worst comic books I have ever read. Joss Whedon writes a lot of the issues, and for that I have to say I feel bad for him. I don't know what went wrong(maybe it was just created to make money), but this is bad stuff. Never thought I'd say this but Joss needs to leave Buffy alone.

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On a positive note, The Angel series is really, really good. If you loved season 5 of Angel the comics pick up right where it ended. Well worth your time.

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
Well, that's one opinion. Personally, I thought it got off to a bit of a rocky start in the first four issues, but has been fantastic ever since.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:


I can't believe no one's backing me on this. My friend who is also a huge Buffy fan hates it too.
Do you guys actually feel the comic series is gold? I hope at least someone shares my opinion.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:


-Buffy is not a lesbian. Never has been, never will be. Why would they bring her in that direction? To make a point that every straight girl in the world can be become one if they so choose? Stupid. You are either gay or you aren't. Your born to be gay, or straight.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Having sex with another woman doesn't make her gay. We are born with the capacity to be bisexual, it's just that most of us settle on one or the other due to a 'tipping of the scales', or for identification purposes.

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
A lot more than just "some" people are enjoying it, since it's Dark Horse's best-selling series ever. I don't know how to respond to criticism as unspecific as "this sucks", but a few things:

- "Do I feel the comics are on par with any of the televised seasons?" Tough to say, since if you tried to equate how many issues equal one TV episode, I think we're really only at the start of the sixth episode of the season. That's too early to say anything for sure, but it won't have to try very hard to exceed my opinions of S7 or S1, and Goddard's "Wolves at the Gate" arc, if you considered it the equal of one TV episode, would probably be in my all-time favorite top 10.

- BKV's Faith arc, tho it had a couple of details that I didn't like (taking Buffy and Faith back to where they hated each other's guts, for one thing), was probably the tightest, most well-done arc of the season so far. It's basically the same story Joss envisioned for the Faith made-for-TV or direct-to-DVD movie that never ended up happening, so he simply adapted it to the comic format.

- Buffy's not a lesbian, but there's been nothing over the years to disprove the idea that she might've been bisexual all along, and even if she wasn't, it's not uncommon for people in their late-teens/early-twenties who are "straight" to try something like that (especially in college). As far as we know, she hadn't had sex with anyone since Spike in S6, was in a place with about 100 girls where the only available man was Xander, and was feeling lonely. Add it all up, and it spells a big "DUH!"

- Willow's magic storyline and connection with the snake lady is only just starting to begin, here in #'s 15 and 16. The season's 40 issues long, and they can't dump a ton of exposition and backstory on you all at once right at the beginning. That would be really crappy and boring writing. You tell the story, and fill in the details as you go along, at the times it becomes necessary to know them. Especially in comic format, where space is at such a premium.

- There's no real threat to anyone? Have you seen that guy Twilight who completely kicked Buffy's ass in #11? Or read #16 and seen what his most-recent move was? The season's 40 issues, and of the 16 so far, only 9 of those have really featured the Scoobies in starring roles, so things are only now just beginning with Twilight's story. We've only completed the equivalent of probably 5 episodes of the show, so how big a threat were Angelus, the Mayor, Adam&the Initiative, Glory, etc., thru the first 5 episodes of each of those seasons?


You're not the only one who doesn't like it--I've seen others online who feel the same way. So you know what I'd suggest? STOP READING IT!! In the meantime, there are plenty of us who love it. We love Jo Chen's covers, Georges Jeanty's art. We love new stories about our favorite characters, written by the writers from the show who know their "voices" better than anyone and can bring them back to life for us. I just feel sorry for you and your friend that you can't enjoy them with the rest of us...

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Originally posted by OPPYH:


Season 8 does not exist!!!

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Originally posted by wytchcroft:

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Originally posted by OPPYH:


Season 8 does not exist!!!

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sh*t! i must be trapped in a bizzaro dimension - i coulda sworn...

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
As far as we know, she hadn't had sex with anyone since Spike in S6, was in a place with about 100 girls where the only available man was Xander, and was feeling lonely. Add it all up, and it spells a big "DUH!"

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
No, you're a troll because you come across as having started this thread with the premise "S8 sucks--does everyone else think so, too?", and when no one really agreed with you, you seemed to get angry about it. You mentioned a few specific things that you don't like about it, which was fine, and I and a couple of others replied to those and explained why we disagreed with you. You know, to try to get an intelligent, back-and-forth discussion going? But instead of replying to those specifically (other than the Xander thing), you pretty much just re-iterated "this sucks".

Okay, you don't like it. Fine. Like I said, stop reading. I really disliked the 3-part "Serenity" series DH did in 2005 ("Those Left Behind"), and because of that didn't even bother with "Better Days" when it came out. But because I didn't like it, I didn't waste my time going online and bitching about how bad it was--I just stuck the issues in my closet and never read them again.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
where is this comic going?

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
I really disliked the 3-part "Serenity" series DH did in 2005 ("Those Left Behind")

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- The effort they went to to make sure the audience realized that Zoe doesn't like Jayne got real annoying, real fast. The entire first issue, IIRC, every time she'd say something, it would immediately be followed up by a wisecrack about Jayne. Okay, we get it! Enough is enough!

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I don't have any problems with the comics' storylines. The only thing I don't like about it is that it is not being acted out by Sarah, Nicholas, Alyson, Anthony, etc. The subtleties of Joss' wit just doesn't come across as strongly on the page, and the scene transitions and the voice-overs on preceding/following scenes would have more impact on film.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I don't have any problems with the comics' storylines. The only thing I don't like about it is that it is not being acted out by Sarah, Nicholas, Alyson, Anthony, etc. The subtleties of Joss' wit just doesn't come across as strongly on the page, and the scene transitions and the voice-overs on preceding/following scenes would have more impact on film.

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You know, maybe that's the biggest problem I'm having with the series. It just feels so different from the show that I loved.

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
Have you read any of the novels? I've read a few of the "Buffy" and "Angel" ones, and many many many "Star Wars" ones, so I guess I was already used to reading stories about familiar characters where I have to imagine the actors' faces and voices in my head. It takes getting used to, and you have to go into it realizing that it's NEVER going to be as good as the shows/movies, but it's still so much better than not having the stories continue AT ALL. And S8 is probably the best screen-to-page adaption I've seen yet, because you've got the writers from the show, who already know the characters inside-and-out, working on it.

One thing you should recognize, if you haven't already, is that one issue of the comic does not equal one episode of the TV show. When you read the first 15 issues, you can't expect to have gotten the same amount of story that you'd get from 15 episodes of the show. I'd say it's much closer to one issue equalling about 10 minutes of screentime. There've been 3 four-part arcs so far (#1-4, #6-9, and #12-15), and each one of those is probably the equivalent of one episode (with the standalones--#5, 10, and 11--being sort of like a heavily-abridged episode). So really, reading the first 15 issues have been like watching the first 6 episodes of a season of the TV series. How much had ever happened thru the first 6 episodes?

I think you have to understand the limitations of the format, and be willing to accept those, if you ever hope to really enjoy it...

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