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Seriously though! I mean, I know it's the mark of great writing and everything, but there is no way someone should feel that much grief for a fictional character. It's just not right!

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"They talk about me in the chatty rooms?"--Angel

"I'm 1120 years old. Just give me a frigging beer!"--Anya

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We are a strange bunch, after all....

Cryin' Chrisisall

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"I'm 1120 years old. Just give me a frigging beer!"--Anya

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Seriously though! I mean, I know it's the mark of great writing and everything, but there is no way someone should feel that much grief for a fictional character. It's just not right!

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Are you a fan of ANGEL, too? 'Cuz it gets you where it hurts, as well. Especially Season 5... (sniff)

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Seriously though! I mean, I know it's the mark of great writing and everything, but there is no way someone should feel that much grief for a fictional character. It's just not right!

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Are you a fan of ANGEL, too? 'Cuz it gets you where it hurts, as well. Especially Season 5... (sniff)

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Every time I watch that finale I feel grief and wish to do more violence.

Specifically to the b******s who canceled the show. (Grr! Argh!) At least the season 6 comic will be out soon to ease my pain... Oh wait, this is new Angel I'm talking about. *prepares to feel more grief*

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"They talk about me in the chatty rooms?"--Angel

"I'm 1120 years old. Just give me a frigging beer!"--Anya

"All I had to do is want it bad enough...and guess what I want to do now, you prissy son of a bitch?"--Spike

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Oh it's a great finale, don't get me wrong! Heck, I think it's the best ending to anything since 'Blakes 7' and may even top that.

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Ummm...it's "narrow" thinking to not understand why anyone wouldn't like either of those shows?

But it's open-minded to not understand anyone that does like them, as you feel?

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Now, now, hang on a second. I don't remember Mistressahara in particular, or any of the non-Buffy-fans who've posted here in general, stating that we "don't understand anybody that does like" Buffy or Angel. I think those that aren't so crazy about the show/s have been reasonably respectful in stating their cases for why they, personally, did not like the shows, but not bashing them or acting as though nobody should like them, or that they were inherently "BAD," or anything like that. I think it's been a pretty friendly and rational debate so far, and I'm enjoying it. Personally, I apologize to the Buffy fans if anything I said could have been misconstrued as bashing the show or implying that their opinion of liking it was in any way "wrong."

"When you can't do somethin' smart, do somethin' right!" -Jayne Cobb quotes Shepherd Book

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Actually, she has, and that's fine. That's her opinion.

I am NOT offended by someone not liking Buffy, that's her interpretation, and it's obviously yours, and you're both wrong.

What I said was that I don't understand not liking BUffy or Angel, which I still don't and that's not going to change. Doesn't mean I take it as an insult.

But to call my not understanding that perspective "narrow thinking", jsut because it's the opposite of hers?

I'm not the one interested in fighting here. I didn't start anything. She was apparently misinformed about the facts surrounding the making of the movie and it led her to misinterpret what I said and why I said it.

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And I agree the movie wasn't meant to be taken seriously. it was a perfect example of a B-movie.

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It wasn't meant to be taken seriously by the director, who "raped" Joss's original vision for the movie by saying the movie was "a pop-culture movie about what people THINK about vampires" or something like that. The bottom line, the director, Fran Kuzui, is an ass, IMHO, and should NEVER be allowed to direct anything EVER again!!!!

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Maybe we should set up some kind of support group?

I mean, between all Buffy characters

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we'd have a pretty hefty turnout. And that's without the added grief from the Buffy and Angel comics.

"Hm, Joss is leaving 'Buffy'! I guess that means we won't be ripping the fans hearts out and tap dancing on them like we used to. Now, who shall we hire to replace him? Oh, here we go! The guy who created 'Runways'!"

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"They talk about me in the chatty rooms?"--Angel

"I'm 1120 years old. Just give me a frigging beer!"--Anya

"All I had to do is want it bad enough...and guess what I want to do now, you prissy son of a bitch?"--Spike

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And I agree the movie wasn't meant to be taken seriously. it was a perfect example of a B-movie.

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It wasn't meant to be taken seriously by the director, who "raped" Joss's original vision for the movie by saying the movie was "a pop-culture movie about what people THINK about vampires" or something like that. The bottom line, the director, Fran Kuzui, is an ass, IMHO, and should NEVER be allowed to direct anything EVER again!!!!

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Apparently, somebody DID take it seriously. Maybe even personally, but the only person that should've taken it personally is Joss and you don't see him bashing it too vehemently. Why? Because no matter how far it strayed or... I'll say distorted (no need to get too graphic) his vision, it opened the door for him to show his proper vision on TV.

So, if the movie never happened there would be no Buffy and if no Buffy no Firefly. So I'm personally glad of both. I didn't like the series, but I won't bash it. It paved the way for Firefly and for that I am forever grateful.

Long live Buffy and by extention, future life for Firefly. I mean afterall, that's what we're here for right?

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I actually completely agree with that statement.

But I still think Fran Kuzui is an ass for what she did to the film (look at her description of the movie, for crying out loud!). And it's weird, but I REALLY liked the movie before the series, but after the series and getting to know what Joss was all about and his original intentions for it, I came to the realization that most of what I liked about it was all HIM. I hated the campiness and wasn't a huge fan of the casting, but something about it just clicked for me. The dialogue mainly I guess. Did anything else of Joss's original script remain? I don't remember the book I referred to earlier being that detailed on the subject. It did say that DS refused to say the lines as written, though, which is what really upset Joss about him.

Also, I realize Joss has been way more vocal about Donald Sutherland (especially recently) but guess what, he's not associated with Sandollar Productions. I would think he has to be careful what he says about anyone associated with them.

He basically was the same way about Fox, the WB (over Angel's cancellation when they were having great ratings for a five-year-old cult show) and UPN before the merger.

Do you really think he's not still angry toward them?

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"They talk about me in the chatty rooms?"--Angel

"I'm 1120 years old. Just give me a frigging beer!"--Anya

"All I had to do is want it bad enough...and guess what I want to do now, you prissy son of a bitch?"--Spike

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Do not condescend to me, "honey".

There's nothing there for me to "let go." You were the one who accused me, AGAIN, of something I did not do. All I did was explain that you were wrong...AGAIN, but I guess you can't handle it so you have to resort to playing teacher (LOL) and treat me like your student.

Why don't YOU try moving on?

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Ok, hold on a minute. First I WASN'T condenscending and I'm sorry if that's how you see it but you accuse me of something, then turn around and say I'm WRONG? By who's word, yours? So basically if I don't or can't get into the show but I like the movie I'm wrong, by your standards? So any opinion I have no matter what is always going to be wrong if it contradicts with you? So what, did I miss a memo where Freedom of Speech was wiped out and we all have to have the same opinion and thoughts?

Who's condescending to who.... hun?

Hey, is that a bell ringing in the distance?

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