Objects in Space by Khaln

FIREFLY EPISODE DISCUSSIONS

Objects in Space

POSTED BY: KHALN
UPDATED: Thursday, October 5, 2006 15:22
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Sunday, October 1, 2006 3:44 PM

Well i have a couple questions which have just bothered me to no end, im sure you've answered them but there buried deep with in the archives...

First off...

How the heck did Early get into serenity. How could we have never known about this top side mini air lock, and from the way it open/closes it really doesnt look like an airlock, more like he just popped it open and floated in...

And secondly...

When River is reading everyones minds, books "thought" was "I dont give half a hump if your innocent or not, so where does that put you." Who is he talking about? Jane or River? and man is he ever scary when he says it...

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Sunday, October 1, 2006 3:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Interesting question. I've only watched Firefly once in it's entirity so I'm probably not qualified to put my two cents in. But that wouldn't be my nature, so here it goes anyways....

I didn't notice the airlock situation that you mentioned. I love spotting things like this in movies/TV, but my brother is much better than me at it.

And about the whole scene where River is "reading everyone's mind"... I myself didn't think that is what was going on here, although she's probably perfectly capable of doing that. When I saw that I was thinking more along the lines of Carrie, covered in pig's blood, hearing her mother repeat "They're all gonna laugh at you!" over and over and over again, while at the same time seeing everone laughing at her. In reality, aside from the few morons who played the prank, nobody was laughing at her and they were all mortified that somebody would have done something so horrible to her. I thought this was just a psychotic episode she was having where she actually heard the voices of the people around her in her mind saying things that she may, deep down in her scared and paranoid mind, think her crewmates really think about her.

Just my thought. It's surely open for debate.

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Sunday, October 1, 2006 4:16 PM

DARKJESTER

The airlock - it's the same one River and Simon use to leave and enter the ship hiding from the Alliance troopers in "Bushwhacked".

And River's read on Book? If you notice, she 'heard' something that Jayne had said in a previous episode (Ariel), and with Simon it was something he said several minutes later in the current episode. So "she was reading things, but not at the right time" is a widely held conclusion. And a lot of people feel that her reading of Book was from long ago, before he became a Shepherd. An Alliance military General? A judge? Member of the Senate? Lots of possibilities.

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JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Sunday, October 1, 2006 5:22 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Yeah, what DarkJester said, in terms of Book. There are two looooong threads discussing what Book's line might have meant. A few theory threads about Inara mention hers as well, thinking that came from her past rather than actually relating to Mal. Mal's seemed to come from his past, too. "None of it means a damn thing." Bitter, defeated, post-war Mal. It gives a look at the past, a backstory that I bet would just keep developing over the years. You know, if we'd gotten years.
The airlock, though, was not the same one Simon and River used, because that one was not right next to the bunks. They didn't use the huge airlock, but when they get back on the ship, they're not right off a hallway. Was it the galley? I think it was the galley.
So there are a few airlocks on Serenity. I mean, she's not a small ship. Probably best to be able to get out at several points for whatever reason you might have to get out. And Early didn't just float in, because there was definite air-rushing sounds, like an airlock sealing and pressurizing itself.
Remember the show was very short-lived. We never got all the details of Serenity. She, like all the characters, was slowly being explored and unveiled.

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We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow in sunlight. - Gautama Siddharta

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Sunday, October 1, 2006 6:15 PM

KHALN

Ya im going to have to agree with darkjester and phenoix about rivers mind reading to a degree. I had just finished watching all the episodes with commentary, and joss says something to the extent of "there she is reading minds/thoughts" the exact words escape me...when she is walking around the ship. Though i cant completly agree with reading at the right time

When the episode starts, she awakes to that whispering, and those are Earlys thoughts (as said by joss in the commentary) as well as when she "reads" simon, mal, inara, and janes thoughts those seemed to be perfectly timed thoughts as she entered the room they would think that, but books...i mean what the heck. Can anyone bump the book quote threads i would like to read through them.

"I dont give half a hump if your innocent or not. Now where does that put you"

Book could very well be talking about anyone, mabye he is thinking once again about being his general/assasin self (i think book was the same type of guy as that one black guy from the movie) and wanting to get rid of Jane. But Pheonix yours makes perfect sense mabye he was thinking about a past interogation or something of the sort...damn...bring back firefly! NOW

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Sunday, October 1, 2006 6:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Those ideas, the mind reading and all must be right if Joss said that that's what it is, but I like the Carrie "They're all gonna laugh at you" theory better still.

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Sunday, October 1, 2006 6:28 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by Khaln:
Can anyone bump the book quote threads i would like to read through them.

There's one not that far down this very forum board, called "Book's line in Objects in Space?" which is a very good discussion. I can't remember what the other thread was called, but I think it's also on this same board somewhere or other.

And the whispering seemed to be the thoughts of the crew, normal 'background noise' so to speak, and then we hear Early's voice.
"We're all just floating."
River awakes, knows something isn't right, and goes off in search of the intruder to the ship.

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Sunday, October 1, 2006 6:49 PM

PSYKOTEK1

Book could very well be talking about anyone, mabye he is thinking once again about being his general/assasin self (i think book was the same type of guy as that one black guy from the movie) and wanting to get rid of Jane. But Pheonix yours makes perfect sense mabye he was thinking about a past interogation or something of the sort

That makes sense...
I sorta got the feeling the Operative from serenity, was becoming a shepard

where does one go when his faith is broken?
to another faith baised institution

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Sunday, October 1, 2006 7:34 PM

MRBEN

I would need to watch to make double sure about this (sometimes my head gets a bit screwy) but I think that River an Simon _do_ use the same airlock as Jubal in Bushwhacked, it's just we see them from a different angle - bear in mind that the crews quarters _are_ right next to the kitchen/dining room.

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Sunday, October 1, 2006 7:37 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

If you play the scene backwards and listen very closely you can vaguely make out the voice of John Lennon saying "I buried Paul".

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Monday, October 2, 2006 2:35 AM

DONCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by Khaln:
How the heck did Early get into serenity. How could we have never known about this top side mini air lock, and from the way it open/closes it really doesnt look like an airlock, more like he just popped it open and floated in...

Why shouldn't Early know about the hatch? Serenity isn't a homemade spaceship, it's a standard model of which thousands were made. Think DC-3. What you're asking is like wondering how a stranger would have been able to walk right up to your car and open the back door. How could he possibly know that Accords have four doors?

Even if Early didn't know the details of the Firefly design, he could easily have called up that information from the cortex as he "hunted" River down.

And of course it's an airlock. You didn't see the air all blow out of the ship when he entered, did you? Unless there's some fancy new technology that lets you open a spaceship door without losing pressure -- which doesn't seem likely given that the main cargo door has an airlock.

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I'm pointin' right at it!

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Monday, October 2, 2006 6:35 AM

DOCTROID

I'd also thought about the possibility of the Operative becoming a shepherd, and that Book might once have been an operative. It doesn't appear that he has the Operative's martial arts skill, though perhaps he's either just out of practice or deliberately holding back.

I like to think, though, that Book's past was more complicated than that.

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Monday, October 2, 2006 9:58 AM

PSYKOTEK1

I dunno about that
he one punched that agent in the pilot
he was blowin' out knee caps while shooting from the hip in "war stories"

Book was a man of contradictions,
shame we may never know the truth

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Monday, October 2, 2006 2:05 PM

DOCTROID

Not that he had NO martial arts skills; they just weren't (or weren't shown to be) at or near the Operative's level.

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Monday, October 2, 2006 2:37 PM

TRAVELER

One would think Book would use these operative skills as a knee jerk reaction. Honed to react to danger with brute force. But if he really spent a great deal of time in some brotherhood, he may have lost his edge. He did seem pretty good at blowing kneecaps though. You notice how many times in the series he walks right out and confronts people without a weapon of his own. He takes control with his presence like Inara uses with her customers. He certainly didn't loose his power of persuasion in the abby.

I'm with most people in believeing some of the words River hears are not what people are thinking at that moment, but some are from thoughts buried in their minds from the past.
Jayne could be a direct thought. He sees River walk in and out jumps his guilt. But Simon is laughing and joking with Kaylee, a don't think his immediate thoughts are about what he lost, although I'm sure he has these thoughts.

Traveler

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 3:22 PM

AIYANOODLE

I just watched this ep for the first time a few days ago, so thought I'd chime in with my first impressions. I'd have to say that I think River IS reading everyone's thoughts at the moment they're thinking of them. I mean, a recent thought vs. an old memory. When Book's having his "flashback", he was joking about Jayne taking orders and how ludicrous that would be. He might have been thinking back about how un-preacher-like he himself used to be, at the moment River read his mind.

As for the others: Simon was thinking, "I'd be there right now" just as he was reminiscing about the hospital. Jayne's thought refers to his "Saint Jayne" joke, and that he's anything but. Inara telling Mal she's a big girl and to just tell her (his feelings) already. And Mal thinking about his conversation with Inara, and how none of his words say what he really means.

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