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The fall of mediasarous.

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:05 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Good bit on the root causes of the failure of conventional media, via WIRED, and "written" by (I guess indirectly cause isn't he like, dead ?) Michael Crichton

Good reading though.
Mediasaurus
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.04/mediasaurus.html

Oh, nvm, 1993 post date, guess he was still kickin when he wrote it then - and if he wrote it that far back, he was damned accurate in his predictions, leastways so far.

-F

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:59 AM

WHODIED


Interesting article, and I admit to shaking a rueful fist in Ben Franklin's direction occasionally, especially now, as Insurance lobbyists go about reforming our health care.

Also this bit:
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This leads me to the final consequence of generalization: it caricatures our opponents, as well as the issues. There has been a great decline in civility in this country. We have lost the perception that reasonable persons of good will may hold opposing views. Simultaneously, we have lost the ability to address reasoned arguments - to forsake ad hominem characterization, and instead address a different person's arguments. Which is a tragedy, because debate is interesting. It's a form of exploration. But personal attack is merely unpleasant and intimidating. Paradoxically, this decline in civility and good humor, which the press appear to believe is necessary to "get the story," reduces the intensity of our national discourse


Which brings to mind a similar Heinlein line:
Quote:

Sick cultures show a complex of symptoms as you have named... But a dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than a riot.
This symptom is especially serious in that an individual displaying it never thinks of it as a sign of ill health but as proof of his/her strength.



It's impossible to discuss the situation amidst the wailing and gnashing of teeth--which is redoubled in the face of partisian, draconian or half-baked "solutions".

As for the media, I won't worry too much. Aren't they next in line for a bail out?



--WhoDied


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Yeah, we're mostly just giving each other significant glances and laughing incessantly.



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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:59 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Michael Crichton was assassinated as retribution for non-fiction "fiction" book about false-flag terrorism by Uncle Scam. Mobster Jacob Rubenstein aka Jack Ruby was likewise assassinated by lethal injection of cancer. Every US citizen was also given lethal injection of cancers...

The Case for Skepticism of Global Warming
www.crichton-official.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html

STATE OF FEAR: Michael Crichton Takes on Global Warming in Latest Work
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=316580&page=1

The global warming code: Michael Crichton tells the truth
www.thefreelibrary.com/The+global+warming+code:+Michael+Crichton+tells
+the+truth-a0131280306


DR WHO's Flying Pigs in a Michael Crichton Novel
www.infowars.com/who-takes-a-page-from-a-michael-crichton-novel/

Quote:

"I'm 62 years old. I've had a good life. I'm happy and I'm enjoying myself. I don't need any of the flak that would come from doing a book like this."
-Michael Crichton, re State of Fear



STATE OF FEAR begins with the assassination of a medical researcher. Then the billionaire MD dropped dead, despite the best medicine money can buy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton

George Carlin: The Planet is Fine (also murdered by NWO after he WALKED into a hospital)
www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59959

Long live the internet?

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:44 PM

BYTEMITE


Hmm. Kinda rambly, and there's times when he uses misleading verbage himself.

The figures from the 1750s on temperatures are intriguing, but firstly I have no idea where this data came from, as I have doubts whether temperatures were being diligently measured in that time period, and secondly, regional variations in temperature are not equivalent to global variations in temperature.

The heat bias is an honest complaint, however, I've found temperature trends that actually take sampling from the suburban areas around cities so that the weight isn't so strongly towards city temperature measurements, and they aren't too different.

Population is only vaguely related to this debate, and not in the way he uses it. Less fertility doesn't necessarily mean less children.

Quote:

Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.


I can think of one example that contradicts this. The Ozone hole depletion. You might think that was another pointless outcry. Perhaps it was. But it didn't cost anything to "fix" if it was indeed a fix. Personally, I believe it was, there was Ozone depletion happening over the antarctic, it was impacting animal life on the cape of good hope and cape horn. And since industries switched from using CFCs as aerosol pressurizers to HCFCs, which have less residence time, Ozone concentrations over the Antarctic in the winter have been measured to be increasing. The switch didn't really cost the industries anything, which is why you never heard any kind of fight over it.

I'm willing to acknowledge the threat of global warming becoming an issue that the government might use to increase powers, and that the promise of diversifying into new industry might cost economic losses, but I think global warming and climate change are a problem. I also think that the correlation between industry caused CO2 increases AND the warming trend that Crichton doesn't discredit is a very strong correlative trend. It may not be causative, but I find it somewhat suggestive.

Some of his uncertainties that he points out are valid, however. As is the question of using climate models in the first place for prediction. I don't trust any of the models that are currently out there and the predictions they make, I'd have better luck predicting the weather tomorrow (stormy, BTW). There's too many factors.

Pollution I'm concerned about. That's real, that's measureable. That can be addressed. Can't do much about people breathing or trees, but industry CO2 emissions will likely be addressed, if they do have an impact, as industries become more energy efficient, pollute less, and new technology is produced.

Global warming? Ice is melting, which also concerns me. I don't know if we can fix it. If we want to try new things, and it turns out we can, then yay.

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:17 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Well, he did miss one thing. "To my mind, it is likely that what we now understand as the mass media will be gone within ten years. Vanished, without a trace." Since it was written in 1993, his timeline is a little off.

"According to recent polls, large segments of the American population think the media is attentive to trivia, and indifferent to what really matters." Remember all OJ, all the time ? Frustrating, wasn't it ? The problem is, the ones that did it saw their ratings\ sales go up, and the ones that didn't lost market share. So if you are tired of endless 'news' about Nicole Richie, you have only your fellow media consumers to blame - that, and that it's a business whose main goal is to maximize profit, and that we no longer have the Fairness Doctrine.

"The media are an industry, and their product is information." Their product, the thing that makes them money, is ads. They vie for the largest audience so they can get more money for the time and space for ads. The 'product' they are selling to business is an audience. And secondly, they protect their corporations and the overall business agenda.

"So people have begun to stop buying it." Media conglomerates actually haven't lost. The company that loses on a network station makes it up on cable or DTV. The papers that supposedly went bust were only making 20 - 25% profit. While I agree that the TV NEWS product is extremely poor (with paper being somewhat better), it hasn't caused people to abandon the 'media' in large numbers.

"Worse still, characterization lies at the heart of the impulse to polarize every issue - what we might call the Crossfire Syndrome." If it bleeds, it leads. Or, better to have a 'controversy' over the age of the earth - some people disagree ! more at eleven - than a thoughtful, extended and nuanced report on important issues.

At one point the airwaves (TV and radio) were considered to be public property, yours and mine. In order to have the right to use that property, broadcasters had to return something value to the public, hence the Fairness Doctrine (1949 - 1987). As part of their licensing agreements, stations had to show what they were doing to meet their requirement. If they didn't meet it, they didn't get their license renewed. It's not by accident that people started noticing the quality of the broadcast media going downhill when the doctrine was rescinded. This, in my opinion, had a cross-over effect into other media. When TV's were showing actual footage from Vietnam, to stay topical, print media had to have something better to offer - which they did by investigative reporting.

I agree that our news - whether broadcast or print - is sadly lacking. It focuses on personalities and official reports put out by public and private groups. Important issues, if they are addressed at all, are presented as gladiatorial entertainment. But as long as our media is focused on nothing BUT the bottom line, we won't get anything different.


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Silence is consent.

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Sunday, March 21, 2021 4:19 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Rubin Report
https://www.bitchute.com/video/t2kJYG4eQO4/
Shocking Footage of Joe Biden Falling Multiple Times: What Is Wrong? | DIRECT MESSAGE

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Sunday, March 21, 2021 4:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It's those damn Q people. They keep throwing Uncle Joey's dog in front of him when he's not expecting it.


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" 'You're like the Nazis' is the new 'I don't like you'. That disqualifies her from marching around planet Who-Gives-a-Shit in a helmet? ~Bill Maher

PSA: Don't click on any links in Second's posts. He's trying to fish your private information out of you.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2021 1:22 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Former President Trump to have his own interwebs after getting banned?

Trump's grand return to social media: Longtime advisor reveals former president will unveil his own platform in coming months
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9386221/Trump-advisor-says-re
turn-social-media-happen-months-platform.html


Trump fuels speculation of own social media platform in coy interview
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-fuels-speculation-of-own
-social-media-platform-in-coy-interview


Trump Wins CPAC Straw Poll, but Only 68 Percent Want Him to Run Again
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/28/us/politics/cpac-straw-poll-2024-pr
esidential-race.html

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Tuesday, March 23, 2021 2:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated
- The Media

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2021 10:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated
- The Media



Unfortunately, this is true for now.


Screw the actual political vote. The most powerful vote that a person has in our age is voting with their wallet.

Simply do not buy products that promote agendas you don't agree with.

Up until recently, simply threatening people that you won't buy it was enough. That's why a lot of the big corporations bend the knee to the Twitter mob. But they're quickly figuring out that the Twitter mob doesn't actually buy their shit anyhow, and when they do what the Twitter mob wants they actually lose money for alienating their actual customers.

This is something that could only happen in our lifetime, because of the technology gap between the generations that were born pre-internet and post-internet.

How many people over 40 do you know that are on Twitter? Of course there are some, but the more over 40 you get the less the likelihood that you are.

But for better or worse (most definitely worse), kids today are born with a smart phone in their hands. They're going to grow up in a world where they have to make an active and conscious decision to break away from that, otherwise they'll all have their finger on the pulse of whatever is being talked about online.

Right now, most adults simply don't. All of this shit that is going on is because of brainwashed kids.


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" 'You're like the Nazis' is the new 'I don't like you'. That disqualifies her from marching around planet Who-Gives-a-Shit in a helmet? ~Bill Maher

PSA: Don't click on any links in Second's posts. He's trying to fish your private information out of you.

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Sunday, December 5, 2021 8:38 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Covington kid part ii...? Mainstream media ‘should be ashamed’ of how it treated Kyle Rittenhouse

https://www.news.com.au/world/mainstream-media-should-be-ashamed-of-ho
w-it-treated-kyle-rittenhouse/video/052b79e24cde548fb92ba88647110347



Media have ditched middle class, book argues: How nation’s newsrooms went ‘woke’

https://nypost.com/2021/11/21/media-have-ditched-middle-class-book-arg
ues
/

and from Japan

Reporter’s death puts spotlight on shifting media landscape

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/11/27/national/media-national/j
apan-shifting-media-landscape
/

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