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Obama declares war on Toyota to save Govt Motors

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Friday, February 5, 2010 10:16 PM

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Obama attacks Toyota, orders all US factories closed
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123686

Sodomite CNN CIA agent blamed "Death Ray" for Toyota troubles (RF signal from AC power lines overpowering engine wiring).

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/business/2010/01/28/feyeri
ck.toyota.explain.recall.cnn.html

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 5:43 AM

RIVERLOVE

Yeah, it was real naughty of him to sneak out of the White House at night and go f**k up 8 million Toyotas. Bad Obama.

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 6:18 AM

PIRATENEWS

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I think it was HAARP. CNN blamed powerlines as causing RF interferance with the engine's computer.

ALL vehicles have throttle surge, when floormats get in the way. That's a constant problem on my Cavalier made by Govt Motors in Mexico, Canada and Italy. But no floormat recall by GM.

Dictator Hussein's forced recall cut Toyota sales by 16% in January. Welcome to Communism, Amerikan style.

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 6:21 AM

FREMDFIRMA

While I don't buy into PN's little spin on it, being that I live right smack in the middle of "Big Three" turf, and the two main newspapers are hard-right propaganda rags which happen to be both anti union and pro corp/crony capitalism to extremes...

I have been watching a regular DELUGE of propaganda, hype, fearmongering and general rabble rousing as the Big Three encourage all their lobbyists and press trolls to stoke the flames here, seriously, it's friggin nuts, and annoyin since even though I do not watch TV or deal with mainstream news the flood it so overdone I am hearin about it almost nonstop anyways.

Maybe if they put that money into paying employees instead of lobbyists and propaganda shills, and didn't outsource every goddamn thing to china, and deliberately sink all those pensions they promised by dumping them on spun off subcorps they sabotage from get, screwing american workers to where they can't even afford those "(north) american made" (in mexico, with chinese parts) pieces of shit, they wouldn't need to be trying to demonize another automaker who has, nationalism be damned, consistently outdone them on both price and quality for almost twenty years.

And yet those same "foreign" automakers operate many a plant here, hiring the same american workers the "american" automakers threw under the fucking bus, and build their products with american made parts that actually ARE manufactured and sold here, and no one but me seems all that keen on pointing this fact out.

You gotta remember, I own a GM product, the only vehicle I've ever known to be hit with lemon law by two different owners, for three different problems, with a laundry list of recall-worthy problems GM bought their way out of fixing by forking over a huge bribe to Dept of Transportation for "safety" programs, as if that does any good to those injured by faulty brakes ?

And you go prettymuch anywhere on the net, trying to find information about the myriad problems, such as the INFAMOUS Passkey 2 problems, you'll see not only dumbass "usa! usa!" ignoranuses who seem to think you should buy any piece of shit with a flag stuck on it, most of whom are either in complete denial or hypocrites who don't even drive one - you'll also find a veritable plethora of obvious paid shills.

Frankly the only vehicle I've ever owned, and that's been many, which wasn't a total piece of shit with reliability problems (and mind you, imma mad scientist type with a strong mechanical bent!) was a 1989 Tomos Golden Bullet TTLX, which has the sad misfortune to be T-boned by a car whilst I was on it, and even then the engine survived on another frame for another four years of service, despite being made in the same plant that eventually produced the Yugo..

If I was gonna pick one engine above all that was all but indestructible, it would be the Honda NQ/CN/CH engine series they used for scooters back in the 1980s - screw nationalism, that was a triumph of engineering no matter WHO built it, cause I've seen and fixed hundreds of em, mind you.

Anyhows, lookin at the voluminous flood of bile directed at Toyota, who is obviously held to a well-earned higher standard, I want you to contrast what the reaction would be if this was an "american" automaker, and the rampant excusemongering and apologism that would follow.

Do I sound bitter, sure.

That kinda happens when I boycott a company for damned good reasons and the Govt takes my fucking money at gunpoint and gives it to them ANYWAY, and I don't even get the shitty money pit of a car to go with it - especially when I know some of that stolen dosh is going into this propaganda campaign instead of into quality control.

*hissssss*

Fuck "american" automakers, they deserve much worse than they've gotten.

-F

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 7:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Maybe if they put that money into paying employees instead of lobbyists and propaganda shills, and didn't outsource every goddamn thing to china

Silly, silly, silly man...or maybe, "Dream on, Leon"!

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 7:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

On this:

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The Japanese government has warned Toyota to take seriously mounting complaints of brake problems with its 2010 Prius hybrid.

Toyota Vice President Shinichi Sasaki met with Japan's transport minister on Wednesday, when he was urged to take notice of the mounting complaints against one of the automaker's most popular models.

In Japan, 14 complaints about brakes in the Prius have been lodged since July. Japan's Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism has asked Toyota to investigate, according to the Japan Automobile Dealers Association.

"The complaints received via our dealers center around when drivers are on a bumpy road or frozen surface," said Paul Nolasco, a Toyota Motor Corp. spokesman in Japan. "The driver steps on the brake and they do not get as full of a braking feel as expected."

In the United States, more than 100 complaints alleging poor brake performance have been lodged with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration against the 2010 Prius, a newly designed version of the car that was introduced last summer.

"NHTSA has received a number of complaints about a potential defect affecting the brake system in Toyota's Prius hybrid and is conducting field work to examine the issue," the agency said Wednesday.

A search of NHTSA's complaint database turned up many similar-sounding complaints in the United States.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/02/04/japan.prius.investigate/ind
ex.html

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Been out of town for a few days, out in the great unspoiled desolation of West Texas (no internet, no computer), so I'm just sitting down to catch up.

Not much mention anywhere of the Ford recall of the Fusion Hybrid, eh?

Wonder why that is.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:58 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Originally posted by Niki2:

In Japan, 14 complaints about brakes in the Prius have been lodged since July. Japan's Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism has asked Toyota to investigate, according to the Japan Automobile Dealers Association.

"The complaints received via our dealers center around when drivers are on a bumpy road or frozen surface," said Paul Nolasco, a Toyota Motor Corp. spokesman in Japan. "The driver steps on the brake and they do not get as full of a braking feel as expected."

In the United States, more than 100 complaints alleging poor brake performance have been lodged with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration against the 2010 Prius, a newly designed version of the car that was introduced last summer.

So 99.99% of owners have no problem...

Prius hybrid has 2 kinds of brakes -- the electric motor brake which kicks in first to recharge the batteries, and the standard disc brakes for quick stops. Idiot customers don't know they are SUPPOSED to feel different.

Here's how idiot complaints are properly handled:

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Monday, March 8, 2010 3:48 PM

PIRATENEWS

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ABC News rigged Toyota test in PARK

How ABC News' Brian Ross Staged His Toyota Death Ride
http://gawker.com/5486666/how-abc-news-brian-ross-staged-his-toyota-de
ath-ride

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And maybe if he didn't have a lengthy and documented history of shamelessly hyping cooked stories—from the Iraqi connection to the 2001 anthrax attacks to former CIA agent John Kiriakou's lie that the agency only waterboarded one person one time to Nidal Hasan's attempt to "reach out to Al Qaeda" to the Yemeni terrorist who plotted the Christmas bombing attack from Saudi custody and so on—we would believe that.

Idiot Congressman wants to ban all Jap cars made in USA
http://www.newser.com/story/82301/gop-senator-ban-japanese-cars.html

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Monday, March 8, 2010 6:20 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not much mention anywhere of the Ford recall of the Fusion Hybrid, eh?

Wonder why that is.

Because it's not a recall - just a TSB, it affects 18,000 cars instead of 6-8 million, and no reports of crashes or injuries have been filed with NHTSA?

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-announces-tsb-for-brake-issue-on-2010
-ford-fusion-and-mercury-milan-hybrid-models.html

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, March 8, 2010 8:32 PM

PIRATENEWS

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WASHINGTON - Toyota gave detailed evidence Monday that it says disproves claims that electronics may cause the unwanted acceleration that led to the recall of more than 8 million cars and trucks.

Toyota was attempting to counter tests by an Illinois engineering professor who said Toyota engines could rev without a driver pressing on the gas. The automaker says mechanical problems, not electronics, are to blame.

Chris Gerdes, director of Stanford University's Center for Automotive Research, and a consulting firm, Exponent Inc., said the professor had tampered with wiring to create electronic glitches that could never occur on the road.

The professor's work "could result in misguided policy and unwarranted fear," Gerdes said.

The work of David W. Gilbert, an automotive technology professor at Southern Illinois University-Carbondale, has been the basis of many doubts that Toyota's mechanical fixes for unwanted acceleration will truly solve the problem.

Gilbert told a congressional hearing Feb. 23 that he recreated sudden acceleration in a Toyota Tundra by short-circuiting the electronics behind the gas pedal - without triggering any trouble codes in the truck's computer.

"We do not believe that electronics are at the root of this issue," Mike Michels, a Toyota spokesman, said during a demonstration at the automaker's North American headquarters in Torrance, Calif.

Toyota says faulty gas pedals and floor mats, not electronics, are the cause. It is fixing millions of vehicles to correct those problems. But some drivers have reported continued problems in vehicles that have already been supposedly fixed.

Federal safety regulators are investigating complaints over Toyota's repairs. Michels said the automaker also is reviewing the complaints, and that some were the result of bad repairs or other factors.

Gilbert told Congress he made a "startling discovery" that showed the electronic throttle control system could have a problem without producing a trouble code. The code sends the computer into a failsafe mode that allows the brake to override the gas.

House lawmakers seized on the testimony as evidence Toyota engineers missed a potential problem with the electronics that could have caused the unwanted acceleration.

According to Exponent, Gilbert connected sensor wires from the pedal of a 2010 Toyota Avalon to an engineered circuit, revving the engine without using the pedal. Gilbert demonstrated the method in an ABC News story last month.

Exponent said it reproduced the test on the same model year Avalon and a 2007 Camry and was able to rev the engine. But it concluded the electronic throttle system would have to be tampered with significantly to create the right conditions.

"Dr. Gilbert's scenario amounts to connecting the accelerator pedal sensors to an engineered circuit that would be highly unlikely to occur naturally, and that can only be contrived in a laboratory," an Exponent report said.

For example, Exponent said, Gilbert stripped wires in Toyota gas pedal systems of their insulation and used circuits to connect wires that were too far apart to touch each other.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/mar/08/toyota-challenges-tests/

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Monday, March 8, 2010 9:05 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Been out of town for a few days, out in the great unspoiled desolation of West Texas (no internet, no computer), so I'm just sitting down to catch up.

Not much mention anywhere of the Ford recall of the Fusion Hybrid, eh?

Wonder why that is.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

Because its a Ford...

Its expected to fail

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:19 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh, and lemme mention that the bad components which have the QC problem and lead to this much overblown fiasco in the first place ?

They're made in Elkhart, Indiana, by an american company.

So, when the bullshit semi-racist nationalist bullshit gets hurled at the japanese over a problem who's source is poor QC at an american company (and one notorious for poor QC, AND their products are used in other vehicles from other companies as well!) one can imagine that Toyota perhaps has some cause to say "fuck you" to us and move their plants somewhere else, cause if they REALLY wanted to respond quid-pro-quo to our racist/nationalist bullshit, they could suggest that if those parts had been made in japan, they might have fucking worked right.

They've been one holy hell of a lot politer than I would be, but one can imagine they're already looking at new venues SOME WHERE ELSE for their plants in the future, and possibly considering moving existing ones - which'd lead to americans out of work, and more pissing and whining at how it's anyones fault but their own...

And I don't feel one damned bit sorry for em.

Oh, and from an engineering standpoint, there is NO PRODUCTION CAR ON EARTH which can outrun it's own brakes, not even the Bugatti Veyron, so that whole "death ride" thing is bullshit, far as I am aware of, the only vehicle I know which CAN outrun it's own brakes was the Blue Flame.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Flame_(car) <-add manually

Somehow I doubt a Toyota product matches that kinda performance.

-F

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