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UK ordered to publish details of alleged U.S. torture
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:37 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The British government was ordered to publish previously secret information Wednesday about the alleged torture of a former British detainee by U.S. authorities. The information shows Britain was aware of allegations that UK resident Binyam Mohamed was being tortured while in U.S. custody after his arrest in Pakistan in 2002. Britain had sought to keep the information secret, claiming that revealing it would have harmed its relationship with the United States. But Britain's Court of Appeals ruled that the seven paragraphs about Mohamed, who was later moved to the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should be released. The paragraphs say Mohamed, 31, was subjected to continuous sleep deprivation along with threats "at some stage during that further interview process by the United States authorities." "His fears of being removed from United States custody and 'disappearing' were played upon," the newly released information said. Mohamed was kept under self-harm observation and "the interviews were having a marked effect on him and causing him significant mental stress and suffering," the paragraphs say. "Although it is not necessary for us to categorize the treatment reported, it could readily be contended to be at the very least cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment by the United States authorities," the paragraphs say. Mohamed spent seven years in U.S. custody before returning to Britain in February 2009, after all charges against him were dropped. After Mohamed's arrest in Pakistan, he was moved to Morocco, where he underwent interrogation by U.S. authorities, Reprieve, a legal charity that has taken on Mohamed's case, said. The British government knew Mohamed was in Morocco and that the U.S. authorities were interrogating him, Reprieve said. "During his time in Morocco, Binyam was subject to really medieval torture -- among other horrors, a razor blade was regularly taken to his genitals," Reprieve said. After 18 months in Morocco, Mohamed was taken to a prison in Afghanistan, where he was kept in total darkness and tortured for a further six months before being taken to Guantanamo Bay, Reprieve said. He remained there for four years. Mohamed has previously said the "dark prison" in Afghanistan resembled a medieval dungeon with loud music and noise 24 hours a day. "It was pitch black, no lights on in the rooms for most of the time," he has said. "They hung me up for two days. My legs had swollen. My wrists and hands had gone numb. There was loud music, Slim Shady (by Eminem) and Dr. Dre for 20 days. Then they changed the sounds to horrible ghost laughter and Halloween sounds. "At one point, I was chained to the rails for a fortnight. The CIA worked on people, including me, day and night. Plenty lost their minds. I could hear people knocking their heads against the walls and the doors, screaming their heads off," he said. The current case by Reprieve began in 2008, after Mohamed had returned to Britain and was cleared of all charges. Reprieve went to court on Mohamed's behalf, claiming that Britain had been "mixed up" in his treatment. It asked the British government to disclose all correspondence it had with the United States about his detention and interrogation, saying they would be vital to his defense. The British government initially refused to disclose the information, but after Reprieve sued, the government released a redacted document in August 2008. Britain's High Court, which had seen the redacted details, told the media in October 2008 to sue for the details to be published. The end result of that judgment is the seven paragraphs released by the British government Wednesday. British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said it was disclosing the information because it had already been put into the public domain by the decision of a U.S. court in another case. "At the heart of this case was the principle that if a country shares intelligence with another, that country must agree before its intelligence is released," Miliband said in a statement. "This 'control principle' is essential to the intelligence relationship between Britain and the U.S. The Government fought the case to preserve this principle, and today's judgment upholds it. It agreed that the control principle is integral to intelligence sharing." There was no immediate reaction to the release from U.S. officials.
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:44 AM
CHRISISALL
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:46 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Niki2 wrote: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:37 "Alleged" my ass--but wouldn't it just be a BALL if this leads to the kind of inquiry we haven't been able to get? The mere thought has me drooling!
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:51 AM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: Niki2 wrote: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:37 "Alleged" my ass--but wouldn't it just be a BALL if this leads to the kind of inquiry we haven't been able to get? The mere thought has me drooling! Should be the shortest list since Great Jewish Athletes in History
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:00 AM
GINOBIFFARONI
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:03 AM
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Ohmygawd...does he really believe that shit??? Wow...someone I reeely don't know, and definitely put in the same category as Wulf, for a different reason: "He doesn't live in the real world; he doesn't live in the real world." What IS he doing here with the sane and semi-sane?
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:18 AM
Quote:Should be the shortest list since Great Jewish Athletes in History
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:28 AM
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Oh good gawd, darlin', not YOU--you should know me better by now; we agree more than we disagree, and you're almost always sensible! No, him:Quote:Should be the shortest list since Great Jewish Athletes in HistoryTotally
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: I was wondering about the 'worst of the worst'. The ones who can't be tried (THANKS ! president Bush, for making us safe from justice !) but who, we are told, can't be released. Now I'm thinking - if we released them what's the worst that could happen ? A handful of 'terrists' get let loose on the planet to add to the hundreds - maybe thousands - extra that Bush created through his policies. Is that it ? Really ??? Now I am thinking that we are keeping them under wraps for political reasons. Criminally motivated reasons. Something other than terrorism, anyway. *************************************************************** Silence is consent.
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: And now we know another nasty thing about Rap. Preserved for posterity.
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:48 AM
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:50 AM
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Rap is a self-hating Jew ! What the matter Rap ? Can't take a joke ? *************************************************************** Silence is consent.
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:58 AM
BYTEMITE
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Quote:Should be the shortest list since Great Jewish Athletes in History I don't get it.
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Oh, I realize that long-term US policies - especially towards our favorite pupil in the mideast (besides Hussein) - rightfully earned us enemies. But when Clinton had Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman tried - and convicted - for the first bombing of the WTC, world response was a muted yawn. Justice WAS carried out. Bush part deux went out of his way to inflame opinion, and needlessly created many many more enemies. *************************************************************** Silence is consent.
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:33 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:52 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Should be the shortest list since Great Jewish Athletes in History
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:03 PM
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Hey Gino I spend a lot of time at foreign news sources. I don't recall major protest about Rahman's trial, verdict and incarceration. YES - extremists were and are pissed. But the general world opinion, even the Muslim world opinion, didn't seem to share that feeling. Egypt is the other major recipient of US foreign aid outside of Israel. And apparently the US seems to think that billions spent in Egypt is just not quite enough to buy real friendship. Plus in general the US loves anyone who can guarantee pro-US results - not quite a recipe for democracy. So despite that the CIA World Factbook lists Egypt as a democracy, it's a democracy in name only. 'Freedom's just another word ...' apparently. Somewhere SignyM posted a list of all the dictators the US either installed or aided. It was quite impressive. I'm not disputing that decades of US policy have got the US a long list of people with a rightful grudge. But not since the 50s has a president taken such extreme measures to meddle in another country as did Bush. And what Bush did was not just keep the people who aready hated the US at a nice simmer. Nope, he recruited many more, and alienated even allies. That was my point. The extreme level of what he did. *************************************************************** Silence is consent.
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:14 PM
Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:17 AM
Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:47 AM
Quote:Just don't tell that Piratenews character.
Quote:Bush would be the one that both robbed you, and peed on your favorite rug.
Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:42 AM
MINCINGBEAST
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: Should be the shortest list since Great Jewish Athletes in History
Quote: Should be the shortest list since Great Jewish Athletes in History
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