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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:04 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


They sure don't stand for anybody speaking out. Frum dared to say some things the right doesn't want heard, so they took action:
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Former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum has resigned from the right-wing American Enterprise Institute, Frum announced on his Web site Thursday afternoon -- a move which suggests the conservative movement has cut ties with Frum over the straight talk he has been providing all week.

Following the passage of health care reform in the House, Frum made waves with a column for CNN.com declaring that health care had proven to been "Waterloo" for the GOP, not for Obama as Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) infamously suggested.
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"Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox," Frum told ABC's Terry Moran. "And this balance here has been completely reversed. The thing that sustains a strong Fox network is the thing that undermines a strong Republican party."

Frum laid the blame for the anger of anti-health reform protesters not with the GOP, but with talk radio and Fox News, which he said was the "real leadership" in setting the terms of the political debate on health care.

"The anger trapped the [Republican] leadership," Frum said, and "the leadership discovered they have no room to maneuver as a result of the anger."

http://rawstory.com/2010/03/frum-republicans-work-fox-news/

Republican lawmakers quickly dismissed Frum, a prominent reformist conservative, as a mere "former staffer."

Then Frum said on "Nightline" that the Republican Party's lockstep with the Fox News attack machine has hurt the party, and that "we're discovering we work for Fox." That may have been the last straw for AEI.

"I have been a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute since 2003. At lunch today, AEI President Arthur Brooks and I came to a termination of that relationship," Frum wrote on his Web site.

While Frum has been willing to speak out on Republican failings, he's hardly become a liberal since leaving the Bush White House. In a column published Wednesday night, he recommended that Obama either ignore the issue of immigration reform or encourage "self-deportation."

But the conservative movement has a tendency to excommunicate anyone who breaks ranks, says Bruce Bartlett, who was fired by the National Center for Policy Analysis, another right-wing think tank, for writing a book critical of Bush policies. "In the years since, I have lost a great many friends and been shunned by conservative society in Washington, D.C," Bartlett wrote in the wake of Frum's resignation.

Bartlett, who served as a domestic policy aide for Ronald Reagan and a deputy assistant Treasury secretary under the first President Bush, claimed Frum told him privately a few months ago that conservatives on AEI's payroll had been "ordered" not to speak to the media about health care reform "because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do." Frum himself certainly violated that order.

[UPDATE: Supporting Bartlett's claim, Paul Krugman points out that a 2003 health reform proposal from the Heritage Foundation, a think tank considered more right-wing than AEI, looks a lot like the bill Obama just signed.]

[UPDATE 2: Frum tells Mike Allen that "donor pressure" related to his "Waterloo" post was indeed responsible for his termination. Frum claims "the core of the story is the kind of economic pressure that intellectual conservatives are under" -- meaning AEI couldn't risk displeasing its base by keeping Frum on after he criticized the Republican Party. "[T]he elite isn't leading anymore," said Frum. "It's trapped."

Earlier, Frum told Greg Sargent he and AEI parted ways over money, not ideology -- they offered him the chance to continue on at a salary of zero -- and that his criticisms of the Republican Party were "welcomed and celebrated" at the conservative think tank.

Allen reports that AEI is standing by their earlier story that it was Frum's decision to leave.]

[UPDATE 3: Frum's excommunication continues. At The Corner, Charles Murray calls Frum's statement to Mike Allen "despicable" and announces that their friendship of "many years" is over.]

Ironically, Frum's column was a serious suggestion of the things the Republicans SHOULD do to come back from their recent defeats. Here are excerpts--and I think they're very on point. If you want to see the list of things he suggested they could do to rebound, it's at http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/03/22/frum.healthcare.gop.strategy/ind
ex.html
"what next?" question pertains to the days further ahead, after President Obama signs the merged House-Senate legislation and "Obamacare" becomes the law of the land.

Some Republicans talk of repealing the whole bill. That's not very realistic. Even supposing that Republicans miraculously capture both houses of Congress in November, repeal will require a presidential signature.

More relevantly: Do Republicans write a one-sentence bill declaring that the whole thing is repealed? Will they vote to reopen the "doughnut" hole for prescription drugs for seniors? To allow health insurers to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions? To kick millions of people off Medicaid?

It's unimaginable, impossible.

After 18 months of overheated rhetoric, it's time at last for Republicans to get real.

I've been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes, it mobilizes supporters -- but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead.

Now the overheated talk is about to get worse. Over the past 48 hours, I've heard conservatives compare the House bill to the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854 -- a decisive step on the path to the Civil War. Conservatives have whipped themselves into spasms of outrage and despair that block all strategic thinking.

Or almost all. The vitriolic talking heads on conservative talk radio and shock TV have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination.

When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say -- but what is equally true -- is that he also wants Republicans to fail.

If Republicans succeed -- if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office -- Rush's listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less and hear fewer ads for Sleep Number beds.

So today's defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it's mission accomplished.

For the cause they purport to represent, however, the "Waterloo" threatened by GOP Sen. Jim DeMint last year regarding Obama and health care has finally arrived all right: Only it turns out to be our own.




"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Republican leadership is increasingly marginalized by their psuedo-populist right-wing, and feeling less secure in their ability to frame the debate and set an agenda.

This is the natural result of playing to the extreme ends of religion: Religious people are followers and believers first of all, who will swallow ANY story, no matter how ridiculous. (Armageddon comes to mind!) Believers/ followers form mobs quite readily, as they're easily worked into a frenzy.

So now they have a tiger by the tail: a racist, religious, and/or hyper-nationalistic bunch who will resort to threats of violence (which often presages action), who behave (to all intents and purposes) like Hilter's brownshirts.

The real problem is that, IMHO, roughly 35% of the USA is certifiable. The problem is how to educate people so they think for themselves and can REALLY have freedom... which doesn't start with a gun, or with the "freedom" to be fucked over by corporations (which BTW represent the epitome of top-down tyranny) but which starts with independent thought.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:26 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Yanno, that's exactly the same kinda thing that got Will Grigg booted from the halls of right wing worship - and it OUGHT to serve as a lesson and a learning experience to all who serve their will what the eventual "reward" of that is gonna be, as I have pointed out elsewhere as well.

Why help people who are going to stick a knife in your back as soon as you're no longer useful to em ?

I can only hope that Frum comes to an awareness similar to Grigg of just how broken the whole system is from both ends.

-F

ETA: Workin on that, Siggy, workin like a dog, breaking the systems and institutions which render them certifiable in the first place is the only way we'll ever put a stop to it, at which point the loons at the top will just dry up and blow away when everyone looks at em like the nutters they are instead of listening to em and takin their orders.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


'Zactly, Frem. 'Zactly.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 1:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Right-wing commentators and politicians also go to extremes to demonize the commander in chief, daily denouncing Obama as a statist, a dictator, or in the words of Rep. Steve King a “Democratic socialist.” Mr. King had also warned that upon Obama’s election, “the radical Islamists and their supporters will be dancing in the streets.”

Given this, should anyone be surprised at the latest Harris poll that reveals how thoroughly such overblown rhetoric has infused the GOP? Of the Republicans polled, 2 out of 3 believe Obama is a socialist, nearly as many think he is Muslim, and a full quarter suspect the president may be the anti-Christ.


25% of Repubs believe Obama is THE ANTICHRIST?????
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That’s right: The anti-Christ. This is the current state of the Republican Party. So what’s the end result of all these stoked fears and raised temperatures? For one, they ensure that no matter how postpartisan Obama would like to be, he will not be given that chance. While Democrats compromised on the public option and abortion language in the healthcare bill, Republicans refused to even glance across the aisle, much less reach across it.

How could they? They’ve sold their supporters on the idea that Democratic legislation is the first step to totalitarian dictatorship. Over the past week, Sen. Lindsey Graham threatened not to work with Democrats on immigration reform if they pushed through the healthcare bill. Sen. John McCain went one step further and promised “no cooperation for the rest of the year.”

Over-the-top rhetoric also means the Republican Party will move even more right in the coming years. Politicians who betray a hint of moderation will face Tea Party challengers as formerly local races become national battles to purge the party of any but the most conservative.

David Frum, former speechwriter for George W. Bush, sees disaster for the GOP in this strategy. Immediately after the vote on Sunday night, he declared it the Republican Waterloo. But even Mr. Frum can’t figure out a solution to the Republicans’ extremism problem. Until someone does, the GOP and its supporters will be reduced to railing against an apocalypse that never comes.



Germany, 1928

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Friday, March 26, 2010 1:17 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Republican leadership is increasingly marginalized by their psuedo-populist right-wing, and feeling less secure in their ability to frame the debate and set an agenda.

This is the natural result of playing to the extreme ends of religion: Religious people are followers and believers first of all, who will swallow ANY story, no matter how ridiculous. (Armageddon comes to mind!) Believers/ followers form mobs quite readily, as they're easily worked into a frenzy.

So now they have a tiger by the tail: a racist, religious, and/or hyper-nationalistic bunch who will resort to threats of violence (which often presages action), who behave (to all intents and purposes) like Hilter's brownshirts.

"'Zactly, Sig. 'Zactly." Very well put, and right on target!



"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 26, 2010 1:41 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The only thing more dangerous than speaking truth to power is speaking that same truth to those who recently LOST power.


I'm sure the righties will waste no time in spinning this story to claim that Obama fired Frum and put him on the unemployment line.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 2:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sig, that's not the worst of it:

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As of February 2:

63% - Obama is a socialist
39% - Obama should be impeached
24% - Obama wants “the terrorists to win”
31% - Obama is “a racist who hates white people.”
36% - Obama wa nots born in this country
21% - ACORN stole the election for Obama.
23% - want their state to secede from the union
55% - gays should not be allowed to serve openly in the military
68% - gay couples should not receive “any state or federal benefits
73% - openly gay men and women should not be allowed to teach in public schools
51% - sex education should not be taught in schools
77% - creationismshould be taught in schools
31% - contraception should be outlawed
34% - birth control is “abortion.”
16% - would vote for Palin though 42% said they are undecided
53% - Palin more qualified than Obama

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/02/02/nearly-two-thirds-of-republica
ns-believe-obama-is-a-socialist-p
/

New Harris Poll:
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45% of Republicans (25 percent overall) Obama “not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president”
38%- Obama is “doing many of the things that Hitler did”
67% - (and 40 percent of Americans overall) Obama is a socialist
57% - he's a Muslim
24% - “he may be the Antichrist"
61% - he wants to take guns away
51% - he wants to turn the sovereignty of the US government to a world government
55% - he ha done many things that are unconstitutional
47% - he resents America’s heritage
40% - he does what Wall Street tells him to do
45% - he wasn’t born in the US and isn’t eligible to be president
45% - he is a domestic enemy that the US Constitution speaks of
42% - he is a racist
41% - he is anti-American
41% - he wants to us economic collapse or terrorist attack to take dictatorial powers

The poll, which surveyed 2,230 people right at the height of the health-care reform debate, also clearly shows that education is a barrier to extremism. Respondents without a college education are vastly more likely to believe such claims, while Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped. It's a reminder of what the 19th-century educator Horace Mann once too-loftily said: "Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge."

This poll is the latest and most detailed evidence of the extent to which Wingnuts are hijacking our politics. It should be a wakeup call to all Americans and a collective reminder, as we move past health-care reform, that we need to stand up to extremism.

http://www.livescience.com/culture/obama-anti-christ-100325.html

Scary, huh? Citizen may be more right than I realized when he said we're nuts...at least our Republicans...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 26, 2010 3:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Maybe the GOP needs a new political icon.
I know one I'd suggest.



-F

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Friday, March 26, 2010 5:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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38%- Obama is “doing many of the things that Hitler did”



Well, that one is absolutely true. I mean, Obama IS quite clearly walking around, and talking, and breathing, and making the occasional speech, and ordering the military to bomb this or that...

I don't see him rounding up the Jews yet, or the homosexuals or Gypsies, and so far I don't think he's annexed the Sudetenland or Austria, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't invaded France or the Netherlands, or even Russia.

Cit, you're in England - Has Obama started bombing London yet? Will you let us know when he does?


You don't have to be stupid to be a Republican... Oh, wait - yes you do!




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I wouldn't say "stupid", I'd give them more credit than that. I would say "ignorant" (of the facts...ignorant is far from stupid), "misinformed", "buying into propaganda", "following authority figures" and in some cases so influenced by their own fear/racism/hatred that they can't see past it.

The figures scare me, because I don't know how we get past those prejudices to help people understand reality. Those are some pretty hefty beliefs and so far outside the realm of reality that I don't know how you deal with them.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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