Turns out the "Climategate" scandal and the attack on ACORN has been found to be false. Anyone care for the truth?:[quote]The right-wing zealots were fo..."/>
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ACORN videos and 'Climategate' both frauds
Saturday, April 3, 2010 6:59 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The right-wing zealots were forced to release their unedited ACORN pimp tapes to California Attorney General Jerry Brown. Brown found that O'Keefe had never claimed to be a pimp, and that the editing was creative to the point of dishonesty. He's not the first to find similar nefarious-ness behind the ACORN tapes. James O'Keefe, an activist who thinks he's a journalist, had claimed that he'd wandered into ACORN offices dressed as a pimp, accompanied by a friend dressed as a prostitute, and found them willing to dispense illegal advice. Previous investigations had found that, and Andrew Breitbart (his mentor at BigGovernment.org, who aired the videos) had done some, um, creative editing. But Brown's findings are the most damning yet. Here, via MediaMatters, is one excerpt from Brown's office's report, and another from their press release. The findings echo those of all the professionals — including the Brooklyn DA's office — who have looked into the matter. ACORN was by no means perfect, but:Quote:O'Keefe stated he was out to make a point and to damage ACORN and therefore did not act as a journalist objectively reporting a story. The video releases were heavily edited to feature only the worst or most inappropriate statements of the various ACORN employees, and to omit some of the most salient statements by O'Keefe and Giles. Videotapes secretly recorded last summer and severely edited by O'Keefe seemed to show ACORN employees encouraging a "pimp" (O'Keefe) and his "prostitute," actually a Florida college student named Hannah Miles, in conversations involving prostitution by underage girls, human trafficking and cheating on taxes. Those videos created a media sensation. Evidence obtained by Brown tells a somewhat different story, however, as reflected in three videotapes made at ACORN locations in California. One ACORN worker in San Diego called the cops. Another ACORN worker in San Bernardino caught on to the scheme and played along with it, claiming among other things that she had murdered her abusive husband. Her two former husbands are alive and well, the Attorney General's report noted. At the beginning and end of the Internet videos, O'Keefe was dressed as a 1970s Superfly pimp, but in his actual taped sessions with ACORN workers, he was dressed in a shirt and tie, presented himself as a law student, and said he planned to use the prostitution proceeds to run for Congress. He never claimed he was a pimp.O'Keefe asked for, and was granted immunity from prosecution for breaching California's privacy laws in exchange for the unedited tapes.
Quote:O'Keefe stated he was out to make a point and to damage ACORN and therefore did not act as a journalist objectively reporting a story. The video releases were heavily edited to feature only the worst or most inappropriate statements of the various ACORN employees, and to omit some of the most salient statements by O'Keefe and Giles. Videotapes secretly recorded last summer and severely edited by O'Keefe seemed to show ACORN employees encouraging a "pimp" (O'Keefe) and his "prostitute," actually a Florida college student named Hannah Miles, in conversations involving prostitution by underage girls, human trafficking and cheating on taxes. Those videos created a media sensation. Evidence obtained by Brown tells a somewhat different story, however, as reflected in three videotapes made at ACORN locations in California. One ACORN worker in San Diego called the cops. Another ACORN worker in San Bernardino caught on to the scheme and played along with it, claiming among other things that she had murdered her abusive husband. Her two former husbands are alive and well, the Attorney General's report noted. At the beginning and end of the Internet videos, O'Keefe was dressed as a 1970s Superfly pimp, but in his actual taped sessions with ACORN workers, he was dressed in a shirt and tie, presented himself as a law student, and said he planned to use the prostitution proceeds to run for Congress. He never claimed he was a pimp.
Quote:A parliamentary panel investigating allegations that scientists at one of the world’s leading climate research centers misrepresented data related to global warming announced Wednesday that it had found no evidence to support that charge. But the panel, the Science and Technology Committee of the British House of Commons, did fault scientists at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit and its director, Prof. Phil Jones, for the way they handled freedom of information requests from skeptics challenging the evidence of climate change. The panel said that Professor Jones and his colleagues could have saved themselves a great deal of trouble by aggressively publishing all their data instead of worrying about how to stonewall their critics. The lawmakers’ inquiry is the first of three to be opened in Britain since the dissemination in November of e-mail messages and data between the scientists that were apparently hacked from a computer system. The lawmakers emphasized that nothing in the more than 1,000 stolen e-mail messages or in the ensuing controversy challenged the scientific consensus that “global warming is happening and that it is induced by human activity.” The lawmakers expressed sympathy with Professor Jones, whom Phil Willis, the committee's chairman, said had been made a scapegoat for conflicts within the sphere of climate science sphere. "The focus on Professor Jones and the C.R.U. has been largely misplaced," the report said. The publication of the e-mail messages ahead of an international conference in Copenhagen on climate change set off an online furor, in which skeptics of human-made climate change referred to the controversy as "Climategate." The lawmakers noted that they decided to investigate the matter because of "the serious implications for U.K. science."
Saturday, April 3, 2010 7:21 AM
WHOZIT
Saturday, April 3, 2010 7:41 AM
Saturday, April 3, 2010 7:42 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, April 3, 2010 7:45 AM
Saturday, April 3, 2010 8:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: We have several sad contributors to this forum...you are, unfortunately, one of the saddest and least able to post coherently of them. Also apparently illiterate, since you didn't even read the article showing the truth. ...on the other hand... "I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10
Saturday, April 3, 2010 8:45 AM
Saturday, April 3, 2010 9:28 AM
RIGHTEOUS9
Saturday, April 3, 2010 9:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Righteous9: Seriously, why do you both even respond to the post if you don't actually mean to tackle the information in it. You clearly don't feel the need to change our minds, otherwise you would actually use evidence to refute Niki's points... you clearly don't see the need to rebuff bad information, as you haven't bothered to adress anything that was posted as factually wrong. And no, pointing out that this filmmaker helped to force acorn to shut its doors is not evidence of means, only of ends. Do you simply need to be loud and proud to protect your own fragile world view? What value do you think your contribution would have in swaying somebody that is less "informed" on these issues than you or Niki, who hasn't neccesarily been exposed to the subject or made up his mind on it? If you aren't talking to him, and if you aren't really talking to us, who are you talking to?
Saturday, April 3, 2010 9:44 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Turns out the "Climategate" scandal and the attack on ACORN has been found to be false.
Saturday, April 3, 2010 11:18 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, April 3, 2010 11:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: except that Whozit and Rappy STILL don't know!
Sunday, April 4, 2010 6:02 AM
Quote:Do you simply need to be loud and proud to protect your own fragile world view?
Sunday, April 4, 2010 6:07 AM
Monday, April 5, 2010 4:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: ...if the material had been presented accurately, and the video reflected that, I would have had no problem with the situation being presented.
Monday, April 5, 2010 4:19 AM
Quote:Would you really want every pundit to have to stick to the accurate, un-biased, truth about everything?
Monday, April 5, 2010 4:30 AM
BYTEMITE
Monday, April 5, 2010 5:20 AM
Monday, April 5, 2010 5:35 AM
CITIZEN
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: You know, it's probable that a lot of the emails were taken out of context or misunderstood by people who don't have a science background. The hockey stick and the "adjustments" mentioned are probably innocent, probably just trying to account for factors and not made up. You actually CAN calculate adjustment factors, and apply them to real data, and it doesn't invalidate the data.
Monday, April 5, 2010 6:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Well, how about something that couldn't be called FRAUD by a Attorney General?
Quote:On September 16, 2009, Governor Schwarzenegger wrote to Attorney General Brown and requested that he investigate ACORN’s activities in California. On September 25, 2009, this Office informed the Governor that it had opened an investigation into ACORN’s activities in California, as well as the circumstances surrounding the covert recordings. As the investigation into the videos began, additional concerns about ACORN surfaced. The Attorney General expanded his investigation to include the following issues and allegations related to ACORN and its affiliates:
Quote:Although highly inappropriate, the evidence does not show that the ACORN employees in California violated state criminal laws in connection with their conversations with O’Keefe and Giles.
Quote:The recordings establish ACORN employees across the country were willing to discuss with O’Keefe and Giles their plan to conduct a prostitution business, and a few even made suggestions for disguising profits and avoiding detection by law enforcement agencies. The most offensive conversations occurred outside California.
Monday, April 5, 2010 6:31 AM
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