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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:51 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Why is it, that every time someone really digs into any of the terrorist attacks, atrocities, or rights abuses of the last fifty years, the fingerprints of our so-called protectors are all over it ?

New light shed on Kent State killings
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/04/new-light-shed-on-kent
-state-killings/?page=2

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Now largely forgotten, the torching of the ROTC building was the true precursor to the killings at Kent State because it triggered the deployment of the National Guard to the fevered campus.

That deployment climaxed in bloodshed on the afternoon of May 4, 1970, with the guardsmen, clad in gas masks and confronted by angry, rock-throwing students, firing their M-1 rifles 67 times in 13 seconds, killing Allison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder.

A report submitted to Attorney General John Mitchell in June 1970 stated "there was no sniper" who could have fired at the guardsmen before the killings.

Numerous witnesses corroborated this.

A female freshman provided the FBI with a sworn statement that "there was no shot before [the guardsmen's] volley, and there were no warning shots fired." The Justice Department's internal review cited statements by six guardsmen who "pointedly" told the FBI that their lives were not in danger and that "it was not a shooting situation."

Yet the declassified FBI files show the FBI already had developed credible evidence suggesting that there was indeed a sniper and that one or more shots may have been fired at the guardsmen first.

Rumors of a sniper had circulated for at least a day before the fatal confrontation, the documents show. And a memorandum sent to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover on May 19, 1970, referred to bullet holes found in a tree and a statue — evidence, the report stated, that "indicated that at least two shots had been fired at the National Guard."

Another interviewee told agents that a guardsman had spoken of "a confirmed report of a sniper."

It also turned out that the FBI had its own informant and agent-provocateur roaming the crowd, a part-time Kent State student named Terry Norman, who had a camera. Mr. Norman also was armed with a snub-nosed revolver that FBI ballistics tests, first declassified in 1977, concluded had indeed been discharged on that day.

Then there was the testimony of an ROTC cadet whose identity remains unknown, one of the pervasive redactions concealing the names of all the FBI agents who conducted the interviews and of all those whom they interrogated. Although presumably angry over the demonstrators' destruction of the campus ROTC building, the cadet's calm, precise firsthand account nonetheless carries a credibility not easily dismissed.

Before the fatal volley, the ROTC cadet told the FBI, he "heard one round, a pause, two rounds, and then the M-1s opened up."

The report continued that the cadet "stated that the first three rounds were definitely not M-1s. He said they could possibly have been a .45 caliber. … [He] further stated that he heard confirmed reports of sniper fire coming in over both the National Guard radio and the state police radio."

The cadet also told the FBI he observed demonstrators carrying baseball bats, golf clubs and improvised weapons, including pieces of steel wire cut into footlong sections, along with radios and other electronic devices "used to monitor the police and Guard wavelengths."

Separately, a female student told the FBI she "recalled hearing what she thought was [the sound of] firecrackers and then a few seconds later [she] heard noise that to her sounded like a machine gun going off, but then later thought it may have been a volley of shots from the Guard."

Absent the declassification of the FBI's entire investigative file, many questions remain unanswered — including why the documents quoted here were overlooked, or discounted, in the Justice Department's official findings.

At a minimum, the FBI documents strongly challenge the received narrative that the rioting in downtown Kent was spontaneous and unplanned, that the burning of the ROTC headquarters was similarly impulsive and that the guardsmen's fatal shootings were explicable only as unprovoked acts.

The FBI files provide, in short, a hidden history of the killings at Kent State. They show that the "four dead in Ohio" more properly belong, in the grand sweep of history, to four days in May, an angry, chaotic and violent interlude when a controversial foreign war came home to American soil.


And so, once again, the real blame winds up landing at the feet of our alphabet squad, gee what a non-surprise.

What's it gonna take for us to finally acknowledge the real terrorist threat is our so-called protectors ?

-Frem

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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:56 AM

BYTEMITE


How do we know who burned down the ROTC?

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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 12:03 PM

FREMDFIRMA



We don't - but we got an FBI plant with a recently fired gun, and bullet holes matching the caliber in the vicinity of the National Guard position.

That's quite enough for me right there to lay blame for the deaths on their provacateur.

-F

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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 12:18 PM

BYTEMITE


Yeah, agreed.

I'm just wondering if the whole thing wasn't a set up to throw dislike and suspicion on student protestors, civil rights activists, and war protestors, to curry favour for the war by proxy.

Doesn't the FBI/CIA like arson for that kind of stuff?

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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 1:35 PM

DREAMTROVE


Curiouser and curiorer

Do you have any time data on this event?

Maybe the fire was random, they responded because someone panicked, and then they went in thinking it was an armed confrontation situation, some dick shot people, and they need to invent a good cover story.

Byte, I doubt they set it up because they wanted the incident, because it was not a good incident for their PR dept. It has FUBAR written all over it.

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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 1:45 PM

BYTEMITE


That it went FUBAR does not necessarily preclude that they weren't behind the initial fire and didn't want a confrontation with the student protestors. It just means their plant got trigger happy, possibly messed up a bigger plan, and they needed to cover it up.

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