A just question .... by AURaptor

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

What if I don't accept your bias?

How much attention was paid to the fact that the IRS homicide pilot was a CHRISTIAN? Was that ever reported?

You blame ISLAM for every attack, yet we never hear much about the Christians who attack and murder, do we?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:51 AM

By the way, has Rush been talking about "coddling" terrorists lately? That's at least the second time today I've seen that exact choice of words. Seems more than coincidence.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What if I don't accept your bias?

How much attention was paid to the fact that the IRS homicide pilot was a CHRISTIAN? Was that ever reported?

You blame ISLAM for every attack, yet we never hear much about the Christians who attack and murder, do we?

Mike.

Well, if you want to dismiss what an MSNBC news anchorette herself said, then by all means, reject away.

I don't know what difference it makes if the IRS murdering pilot was Christian or not. Was he ? If he was, then please offer up what church he attended, what were its relevant teachings that called for the bombing, killing of innocent civilians.... that'd be very germane to the issue. He left a rather lengthy "manifesto ", did he not ? I don't recall which specific passages or teachings he cited which gave cause to commit such an act.

I blame MILITANT Islam for every attack it commits, correct. Whether in Russia, Iraq, The Netherlands, England, Spain or the U.S.....

I am unaware of any wide spread Christian attacks around the world.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, has Rush been talking about "coddling" terrorists lately? That's at least the second time today I've seen that exact choice of words. Seems more than coincidence.

I'm dismissing this as it fails to relate to the question and or issue.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:13 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Can anyone from the Right give an honest, straight forward answer to a benign and direct question ? ( Leaving out the petty name calling and derogatory remarks which often frequent these threads, by darn near all involved. )

Are you still beating your wife?

Two can play at that game.

-Frem

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:34 PM

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wrong thread, Frem.

Guess no one wants in on the serious stuff.

Oh well.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:36 PM

FREMDFIRMA

If you load the dice before you throw em, Rappy, you shouldn't be surprised if the other shyster loads em the other way before tossin em back.

I just happen to be better at it, since I don't suffer from blind partisan rabidity.

-F

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:47 PM

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Nothing you said relates remotely to the question posed.

You simply want to carry on w/ some childish rant about issues in other threads. Your very inability to respond to this very simple question shows a level of immaturity on your part which quite frankly, only proves my point.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:50 PM

Your problem is, you're assuming facts not presented into evidence. You SAY that there's clearly a bias, but offer no factual evidence to support same.

Was it never reported that any of the people you listed were Muslims, or that they were radicalized, or that they were in contact with radical clerics and militants? Were none of those things covered? If not, how did *I* hear about them? (Maybe FauxNews and Rush didn't mention them, so you never heard any of that. Are THEY the ones coddling terrorists?)

You further claim that since "others" have been arrested, clearly they are in cahoots with the Times Square would-be bomber. Is it your position that if there are arrests, there must be involvement and/or complicity? Has no innocent person ever been arrested? Has no group ever been targeted for political reasons? If they're arrested, they're clearly guilty in your book; is that your position?

By the way, can you point out to me the exact passages of the Q'uran that lay out the call for murder and terrorism? I can't find it, and neither can any of the Muslim scholars I've talked to about it. Since you're clearly the expert here on Islam, and know all about it, I'll leave it to you to show us the texts which call for suicide bombers.

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...there Is an overt effort to minimalize, deflect, underplay any such ties to Islam.

Says you. You claim "there Is" such an effort, but again, you can offer no solid evidence, no proof, nothing but your opinion, again presented as "fact".

Basically every story I've seen and heard on any of these nutbags emphasizes their connections to Islam. Early on, there was speculation in every direction, which is generally the case in ANY big news story. Remember when some complete moron asked if maybe the oil rig explosion might have been sabotage by enviro-terrorists or the North Koreans? Where's the excoriation from the right for that kind of wild-ass out-of-nowhere speculation and rumor-mongering?

When Joe Stack flew his plane into the IRS building, was your FIRST thought when hearing that the event had happened, "Gee, I bet it was an upper middle class white guy that did that!", or did you wonder if maybe it was another attack by Al Qaeda terrorists? Be honest, which was your first inclination? How about Tim McVeigh? Columbine?

Mike

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nothing you said relates remotely to the question posed.

You simply want to carry on w/ some childish rant about issues in other threads. Your very inability to respond to this very simple question shows a level of immaturity on your part which quite frankly, only proves my point.

There's nothing in any of this that "proves" your point. Frem was showing in the most simple and direct way possible that you asked a front-loaded, leading question, and he asked you one back. Which you refused to answer, by the way. ;)

You say no one wants to play, no one will answer your question, but the truth is, you already provided the only answer you'll accept, and anyone else who answers has to agree to the conditions you already laid out: "Given that there IS an effort..." "Why all the coddling...", etc.

As I keep pointing out, you're assuming as fact things that haven't been accepted as fact, and you're trying to base all responses against those preconceived conclusions.

Sorry if that's not the answer you were looking for. Maybe you should try rephrasing the question: "Is there an overt effort to minimalize the connections to radical Islam in the most recent alleged terror attacks? If so, why?"

I mean, hell, I could ask, "Given that Rush Limbaugh should have died a horrible death choking on his own vomit years ago, but somehow didn't, and given that he's an admitted felon and drug addict and an enormous bloated bag of fat and puss with nothing to offer humanity other than his impression of a huge manatee, don't you find it curious that he keeps getting caught just flat making up shit that isn't the least bit true and trying to peddle it as factual information? Oh, and you have to agree with the first two parts to answer the last."

Wanna play?

Mike

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:08 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, has Rush been talking about "coddling" terrorists lately? That's at least the second time today I've seen that exact choice of words. Seems more than coincidence.

I'm dismissing this as it fails to relate to the question and or issue.

Ah. I sunk your battleship, eh?

Actually, it isn't Rush; it's Beck. You know, the guy you claim is only an entertainer and a complete drama queen, implying you'd NEVER listen seriously to anything he has to say.

Guess I've got you and Jongsie pegged, huh?

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:35 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

*equips fire suit*

I'm bored, so I'll bite. Even though I can clearly see the cold, barbed steel.

Hell, I'll even clarify the question.
"Do you think militant Muslims being coddled and protected by the MSM?"

Define "coddled and protected". I didn't think the press is allowed to get THAT close to suspects.

Maybe following cases by what investigations have turned up, just looks like coddling, compared to assuming guilt based on speculated associations.

Might depend on the case, but that would require more than "A" question.

I still think the Ft. Hood thing was about a lone psychologist, who heard way too many horror stories about Iraq and Afgan, then he snapped when he found out he had to go over there.

People have snapped for far less.

All that was eclipsed by the fact he was a Muslim - even by the "Far Lefty" MSM.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:37 PM

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Brewer's admission that she WISHED it wasn't a Muslim is all the evidence required. There can't BE any more solid, bona fide or substantial evidence than that.

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I still think the Ft. Hood thing was about a lone psychologist, who heard way too many horror stories about Iraq and Afgan, then he snapped when he found out he had to go over there.

People have snapped for far less.

Never mind the fact that he was in contact with muslim extremists ?

WASHINGTON -- Maj. Nidal Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused of killing 13 at the Fort Hood, Texas, Army base, communicated 10 to 20 times with a radical Islamic cleric in Yemen who on Monday called Maj. Hasan a "hero" and criticized U.S. Muslim groups that condemned the killing spree.

Or what of his own speeches he gave, well in advance ?

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:58 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Brewer's admission that she WISHED it wasn't a Muslim is all the evidence required. There can't BE any more solid, bona fide or substantial evidence than that.

That's not evidence of biased reporting, that's evidence of personal bias, which everyone has. It's possible for a media person to not like the truth but still report it faithfully. You need to post some videos of this bias coming through in the reporting - like people do about fox news all the time.

Heads should roll

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:06 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Why is (militant) Islam being so seemingly coddled and protected by the MSM at every turn ?

Well my reactionary friend, I can try to answer.

I can think of few worse things for a news agency to do than jump the gun and wrongly cast fear and suspicion on an already feared and mistrusted minority community. So I'm in favour of msm waiting till the facts are in before making those links.

On Fort Hood I agree with you, the links to militant Islam are apparent. I don't like liberals putting their head in the sand on this kind of thing, but I also don't like people on the right putting their head in the sand on things like climate change.

Heads should roll

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Brewer's admission that she WISHED it wasn't a Muslim is all the evidence required. There can't BE any more solid, bona fide or substantial evidence than that.

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I still think the Ft. Hood thing was about a lone psychologist, who heard way too many horror stories about Iraq and Afgan, then he snapped when he found out he had to go over there.

People have snapped for far less.

Never mind the fact that he was in contact with muslim extremists ?

WASHINGTON -- Maj. Nidal Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused of killing 13 at the Fort Hood, Texas, Army base, communicated 10 to 20 times with a radical Islamic cleric in Yemen who on Monday called Maj. Hasan a "hero" and criticized U.S. Muslim groups that condemned the killing spree.

Or what of his own speeches he gave, well in advance ?

All of which was extensively reported, giving lie to your original claim that none of it was reported, or that it was underreported, it was all being swept under the rug, ignored, covered up, or deflected. You've shown nothing of the sort.

You seem to have quite a hard-on for Contessa Brewer, however. Should I know who she is? Did Rush tell you to hate her?

I'll play your game. Why are YOU blatantly ignoring Rush's comments on the Times Square WannaBomber?

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Shortly before Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the U.S. naturalized-citizen Faisal Shahzad had confessed to trying to set off a bomb Saturday night in New York City, Limbaugh went on the radio to gleefully announce that Shahzad was a “registered Democrat.”

“I wonder if his SUV had an Obama sticker on it?” Limbaugh asked. “Notice how quickly they got it out of Times Square before anybody could hop and maybe see an Obama 2012 bumper sticker on the damn car.”

The conservative radio host then said he hoped Shahzad has ties to ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which folded recently amid scandal.

“Of course, he’s a Democrat. Who knows how many times he voted and where,” Limbaugh said. “I would love if this guy were a member of ACORN.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36772.html#ixzz0nrDsYstd

It seems odd how little press his comments have gotten in the MSM, especially on Fox, who hasn't commented on his abominable comments at all. Why is that, do you think? Are they coddling Rush? Are they afraid to tick him off, lest his followers attack them?

Mike

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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Brewer's admission that she WISHED it wasn't a Muslim is all the evidence required. There can't BE any more solid, bona fide or substantial evidence than that.

That's not evidence of biased reporting, that's evidence of personal bias, which everyone has. It's possible for a media person to not like the truth but still report it faithfully. You need to post some videos of this bias coming through in the reporting - like people do about fox news all the time.

Heads should roll

True on the bias of a personal nature. But as they feel, so they report. It's why FOX news is having so much success, because people grew tired of the Left leaning bias in the writing , by biased writers / reporters of the news.

As for vids of FOX being biased, sorry, I've not seen those posted " all the time" .

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:19 PM

Racism again, how quaint.

Okay, the short of it, we don't call it terrorism when Christians do it internationally, and when they do it here, mikes right, we don't call them Christians, like the mi militia.

Think about it. We call every firkin thing in the mideast that happens "terrorism" news flash, it's usually not. If they are fighting us, they're combatants, regardless of what we think is lawful.

Terrorism, trackinng back to the def, is intentionally fostering an atmosphere of fear. Now if someone is attacking a black hawk in their neighborhood, they're not trying to make us quake in our boots, they're trying to get us to stop shooting at them. That's good old fashioned war.

Now our little wind up guys are Muslim terrorists, so I guess it doesn't matter which side they're on. Are you willing to condemn us for hiring them?

Oh, and this one, for the record, the crusades. The first "colonial expedition" to the Mideast came less than thirty years after the last crusade, leaving a possible "peace" break of only eighteen years between the two, short than between crusades themselves... So, just like eugenics, crusades never stopped. In fact, there's no historial break in crusades, which is why I was calling this war the 29th crusade at the beginning of this, though I didn't really count. Once you get more countries into the crusading game it's difficult to tell. Let's not forget that this little mess started with Ahmed Chalabi in London and has nothing to do with us except that were the Patsy who is dumb enough to take a bullet for it.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:19 PM

KPO

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As for vids of FOX being biased, sorry, I've not seen those posted " all the time" .

Sorry, I meant that as people 'do' videos showing fox news bias, on youtube etc. (rather than people 'do' posts of those videos on this site).

Heads should roll

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:51 PM

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DT - where's the RACISM here ? That term makes no sense, what so ever.

And where are the Christians doing all the killing in the name of Jesus ? PLEASE, show me! Show us all!

Hell, even the Phelps inbred klan , who deserve a daisy cutter dropped on their compound ( imo ) haven't gone so far as to pick up arms. Just filed lawsuits.

Newsflash - it really IS terrorism when a car bomb blows up a mosque, a bus load of children, a market place.... I fail to see what it is you're referring.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:37 PM

Rap,

It's racism. I think the underlying idea is Arabs are stupid, you may not believe this, but it's what those who started the war you are supporting believe, and you support them. I'm not sure dupe is a step up...

Terrorists attacking a civili a target might be working for us. We do it all the time. But it's much more common for us to paint combatants as terrorists, or rename whomever we just bombed as terrorists.

And oh, you cant possibly be this dumb. I have to suspect it's an act. Yeah, sure, there's terrorism in the Muslim world, and was long before we got there. It's worth pointing out that they have some crazy muthurfuckurs who take opium all day long, but I doubt there's anyone in the country who believes in72 virgins, and all the media propaganda I'd OMG cringeworthy, the stuff were getting over here.

But let's face it, a guy who drives a car into a market square when there was a bomb in his car, I will be willing to place a very large bet that he did not know there was a bomb in his car. I've met a fair number of Muslims from our theater of war in the middle east. They're not in the least bit dumb, and they think a lot the way we do. It's really pretty easy to put yourself in their shoes and figure out where they are coming from and how they would react to a situation.

Christian terrorist, Ireland, south Africa, and yes, the USA. But seriously, why would Christians have hostility towards Muslims, and yet support israel? Muslims believe in Jesus, Mohammed was a christian, see, he may be a Christian nut, but ar least PN is consistent. But really, why are you supporting this, because you are told to.

Now if I recall correct, you work for some military intelligence branch in georgia? I don't get the sticking to the agenda, and while I'm at it, you should have access to better information than we do, so how come it's we the uneducated who are all over it, and it ain't cause were ignorant. It's just fairly easy to research and not that complicated.

Oh, Christians killing in the name of god, not Jesus. They would be called the us military. Oh, sure, there's god all over the place in the us govt. It's a gorram crusade, there ain't no disguising it, and your up with the crusade rhetoric, we have toi dedfeaf the infadel/terrorists. Skip the bull and just go with "monkey people" that's what it's really all about, right?

Everyone hates the phelps. I try to refrain foam hating the phelps so I can step back and see why they are getting the free security and media coverage, and this one place where I would use the word conspiracy. I suspect someone is supporting the phelps because whoever they are, they oppose free speech, and the phelps are winning them sympathy for that position.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:55 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
DT - where's the RACISM here ? That term makes no sense, what so ever.

And where are the Christians doing all the killing in the name of Jesus ? PLEASE, show me! Show us all!

Here's one:

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God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East.

-- George W Bush, from minutes acquired by Haaretz from cease-fire negotiations between Abbas and faction leaders from the Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular and Democratic Fronts, June 27, 2003

This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.

-- George W Bush, using a loaded term which recalls the Christians' Medieval wars against Muslims in the so-called Holy Land, after stepping off the presidential helicopter on Sunday, September 16, 2001.

Oh, look - another one!

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In a declaration under the penalty of purjury, a former employee of Erik Prince’s Blackwater defense contracting firm said Prince “views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe.”

The accuser, only known as John Doe #2 in court documents because he claims he has been threatened with “death and violence” by managers of Prince’s company, wrote that “Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Chrisian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades.”

You were saying?

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Newsflash - it really IS terrorism when a car bomb blows up a mosque, a bus load of children, a market place.... I fail to see what it is you're referring.

News flash: It really IS terrorism when you drop bombs and fire missiles into wedding parties and private homes on the hopes of maybe nailing one or two guys they hoped were somehow loosely affiliated with Al Qaeda. And it's terrorism when you storm into such a wedding party, guns blazing, killing women and children, and then dig the bullets out of their bodies to try to cover up your crimes.

Mike

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:57 PM

DT: You're remembering wrong. Rappy has nothing to do with military OR intelligence. (Oh look - unintentional snark!)

I think you're thinking of Finn MacCumhall. He disappeared the day after the inauguration.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:12 PM

CHRISISALL

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what so ever.

"Whatsoever" is a word in some circles.
Just sayin'.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:26 PM

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kwickie

your streak of being completely and totally disingenuous is in tact. Congrats.

No wedding parties were targeted. You KNOW that. What's so fucking infuriating is that you continue to distort the issue merely to score brownie points on an internet forum.

sad.

This thread unraveled quicker than I expected.

It started out with 1 simple question. Instead of dealing with that question, folks instead side stepped, evaded and equivocated in every direction, save for dealing w/ the issue at hand.

I suspect that's why we're faced with so many problems today. Instead of dealing with them head one, folks would rather ignore, avoid and walk around instead of engage.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:43 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie

your streak of being completely and totally disingenuous is in tact. Congrats.

No wedding parties were targeted. You KNOW that. What's so fucking infuriating is that you continue to distort the issue merely to score brownie points on an internet forum.

sad.

This thread unraveled quicker than I expected.

It started out with 1 simple question. Instead of dealing with that question, folks instead side stepped, evaded and equivocated in every direction, save for dealing w/ the issue at hand.

I suspect that's why we're faced with so many problems today. Instead of dealing with them head one, folks would rather ignore, avoid and walk around instead of engage.

Couple quick Google searches say you're not only wrong, but dead wrong:

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=afghan+wedding+par
ty+attacked&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=pregnant+afghan+wo
men+killed&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

You bomb one wedding party, you might be able to claim it's an accident. But after about the eighteenth one, people start thinking of you as having a thing about wedding parties. Just sayin'.

By the way, you never did answer my question on why you favor one set of immigration rules for one group, and another for everyone else. You are one of those folks you talk about who would rather ignore, avoid, and walk around instead of engaging.

What's so infuriating is that you continue to distort the issue and lie about reality merely to score brownie points with your fellow Republicans on an internet forum. Sucks to be you.

Your thread unraveled because you rigged the question from the outset. I pointed that out, and you wanted to ignore that reality, avoid the real issues, and sidestep the truth. It's your raison d'etre.

Mike

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:59 PM

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nothing was rigged. It was dead on, straight forward, as possibly as could be, from the very start. You're either too much a coward or too intellectually challenged ( or both ) to deal with the honesty of what I posed.

The U.S. Military doesn't simply go around targeting wedding parties merely for snorts and giggles. You intentionally assume that correlation proves causation, in a pathetic attempt to equivocate us with the terrorists. It's pointless to even debate such nonsense.

How low must your self esteem be that you constantly , and with out any thought, merely repeat back to me what I say to you, as though you were a idiot parrot, or a 5 year old , who can't formulate their own thoughts, and instead just blurts back what comes their way.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:09 PM

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How low must your self esteem be that you constantly , and with out any thought, merely repeat back to me what I say to you, as though you were a idiot parrot, or a 5 year old , who can't formulate their own thoughts, and instead just blurts back what comes their way.

That was just too precious not to save. :)

Guess you gave up on the whole "Leaving out the petty name calling and derogatory remarks which often frequent these threads, by darn near all involved" part, huh? Didn't take you long at all the forget all about your calls for civility, did it? Did I curse at you? Did I call you petty names? Did I make derogatory remarks about you?

And you know why I parrot your words back to you? To tweak you, to wind you up, make you blow your top. It works, too, as you've just shown so perfectly. Every. Damn. Time. I can go on busting you up all night.

Mike

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:17 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
nothing was rigged. It was dead on, straight forward, as possibly as could be, from the very start. You're either too much a coward or too intellectually challenged ( or both ) to deal with the honesty of what I posed.

So, HAVE you stopped beating your wife?

HAVE you stopped raping little boys?

You're too much a coward or too intellectually challenged, or both, to deal with the honesty of those questions. Why else won't you answer them? Too close to home for you?

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The U.S. Military doesn't simply go around targeting wedding parties merely for snorts and giggles. You intentionally assume that correlation proves causation, in a pathetic attempt to equivocate us with the terrorists. It's pointless to even debate such nonsense.

Well, not MERELY for snorts and giggles, but there's certainly been enough of those thrown in, haven't there?

( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-att
ack )

You've shown no evidence at all that any Muslim is targeting anyone or anything "merely for snorts and giggles", either. You find it pointless to debate whether we kill innocents, whether we occasionally do so intentionally (we do), and whether we ever debase ourselves to the level of the terrorists we are supposed to loathe so much, when you yourself have sat right here and claimed that it's perfectly okay with you if we torture and murder people who would torture and murder us. And you claim that this DOESN'T make us as bad as them, but somehow makes us BETTER than they are, by committing the exact same crimes.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:49 PM

America loves a winner!

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This thread unraveled quicker than I expected.

The point where you abandoned reason for madness is when this thread ceased being worth while. Now troll away, to your heart's content, and drive this thread to oblivion, for all I care. It's purpose is served.

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And you know why I parrot your words back to you? To tweak you, to wind you up, make you blow your top. It works, too, as you've just shown so perfectly. Every. Damn. Time. I can go on busting you up all night.

Every. Damn. Time. Because that's all you do here, is every damn time, troll and destroy threads w/ your over the top, disingenuous bull shit. You're like the monkey who throws shit all across the board, laughs and then runs away. Only in your primate's brain does it not get old. But other folk, who have evolved long ago, .... meh, I'm wasting words on you.

Check back when your brain has learned human speech.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 14, 2010 1:26 AM

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Check back when your brain has learned human speech.

You mean like "a idiot parrot"?

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Friday, May 14, 2010 1:41 AM

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This thread unraveled quicker than I expected.

The point where you abandoned reason for madness is when this thread ceased being worth while. Now troll away, to your heart's content, and drive this thread to oblivion, for all I care. It's purpose is served.

You abandoned reason for madness with your original "question". It was worded in such a leading way, and loaded with such pre-accepted (by you) "facts", that there was no way to answer it without first clearing away the garbage you dumped on it at the outset.

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And you know why I parrot your words back to you? To tweak you, to wind you up, make you blow your top. It works, too, as you've just shown so perfectly. Every. Damn. Time. I can go on busting you up all night.

Every. Damn. Time. Because that's all you do here, is every damn time, troll and destroy threads w/ your over the top, disingenuous bull shit. You're like the monkey who throws shit all across the board, laughs and then runs away. Only in your primate's brain does it not get old. But other folk, who have evolved long ago, .... meh, I'm wasting words on you.

Meh, so quit wasting your words.

You're just being pissy because I won't concede to your little rules, I won't play along with the conditions you want to set, and I use your own words to wind you up, and it's so damned effective at tweaking you, and you try it on me, and it doesn't work at all.

You come in and throw shit on a daily basis; you just don't like it when some gets thrown back at you. You constantly whine about the conditions for debate, then try to set your own conditions and whine about THOSE when someone asks you to apply them to your own positions.

It's a waste of words trying to TALK to you, or DISCUSS things with you, so the best use of words, and their best effect on you, is to use them to simply mock you at every turn. You've proven that, simply by how upset it makes you. Deal with it.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 1:43 AM

Mike,

Don't let it eat you life.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 1:59 AM

No worries, DT. I've got a bit of a slow morning.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 2:24 AM

I worry. You argue with Rap. I wonder if you are going to argue with breakfast.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 3:27 AM

No argument with breakfast, as long as it includes bacon.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 4:50 AM

We were just debating the health value of bacon. It's import that it be both kosher and halal, or hosher, as we will have to call it, urn the new jislam

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Friday, May 14, 2010 5:24 AM

I do not need to debate the health value of bacon, any more than I need to debate the health value of breathing. :)

All things in moderation. Even breathing.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 6:04 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"Why is (militant) Islam being so seemingly coddled and protected by the MSM at every turn ?"

Hello,

What's an MSM?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, May 14, 2010 6:11 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Coming in late, as usual. Didn't read past the first few posts, as I, too, thought they weren't addressing the issue specifically. Will read the rest after I finish, just wanted to put my two cents' worth in.

For one thing, I don't see a bias either. I see much reporting on attacks in AMERICA; I think in Afghanistan and Iraq, they've been going on so long that people don't pay much attention, and the news has had the earthquake, volcano and now gulf oil spill, which are more interesting because they're new.

I also see more attention given to attacks which have to do with Americans (like the guy who blew up the CIA camp or whatever), which is natural. Anything involving Americans is covered much more than anything else, always has been, by every country no doubt.

The attacks have been going on for so long that I don't think most MSM covers them in depth anymore. Those that happen here DO get extensive coverage for a few days, as I've seen it.

Mike's remark IS pertinent. We've begun to see that a lot of what you post could come directly out of the mouth of someone on FauxNews, so we're beginning to suspect you believe whatever they say and bring it here. You don't back things up with facts and figures, and they generally show a ClusterFox bias; ergo the question.

Secondly, I think his crack about Christians was the general idea that if an American did it with no ties to Islam, he's probably Christian...and I think he was remarking that a lot of effort goes into pinning things on Muslims as opposed to noting attacks which involve Americans (which in almost every case = Christian/Tea Party/etc.). As far as I know, there's nothing that said he was Christian, I think he was making a point.

On the other hand, FoxNoise went out of their way to repeatedly say the NY bomber was a "registered Democrat", which is patently false. They are quick to add some kind of connection to Obama or the Democrats to ANYTHING bad that happens, and it's as sickening as all their other lies.

That's my view, and I'll read the rest of the posts now--apologies if I duplicated what anyone else said.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 14, 2010 6:15 AM

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"Why is (militant) Islam being so seemingly coddled and protected by the MSM at every turn ?"

Hello,

What's an MSM?

--Anthony

"Mainstream Media" - aka ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC, but *NOT* Fox. Fox, while being far and away the top-rated "news" organization, is vehemently defended by the right as NOT being part of the "mainstream" (or "lamestream" in PalinSpeak) media.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 14, 2010 6:34 AM

Yeah, Niki - You pretty much covered the pertinent points. Most of the rest was just more of me trying to get Rappy to clarify his terms and play by the rules he wants others to play by. Which of course resulted in him storming out, saying I ruined his thread...

But yes, as I've been trying to point out for months now, if Rappy wants to have a discussion about WHETHER the "MSM" *which includes Fox News* is "coddling terrorists", that's a discussion we can have. But when you start the conversation with, "Given that we all know there's a liberal bias, and given that we know that everyone but Fox viewers hates America...", you're just not going to get very far in that conversation. And that, in essence, is what Rappy does. I paraphrased his remarks, of course, but that's the gist of his argument: "If you accept and grant that the media is biased, why do you think they love Bin Laden and hate America?"

He's not interested in the question of *IF* the media is biased in any particular direction; he's accepted that as given fact, and sees no need to question what he already "knows". He's only interested in why we allow the media to BE so biased.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 6:38 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I can't recall any 'mainstream media' news organization treating terrorist muslims with kid gloves, if that's what you mean.

What is a militant muslim? Is it the same as a terrorist?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, May 14, 2010 7:04 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ah, I see there's not much to read. Some pertinent facts were posted, but mostly those were ignored in favor of snarking by Crappy.

"MSM" is "main stream media", just 'cuz you asked. It took me a while to work it out in the beginning, too.

To answer your question yet again, Crappy, in case you missed it, or rather to explain why it's not "answered" to your satisfaction:

Your question was POSED with the assumption there IS coddling. You asked "The only question which needs discussing now is - why the bias in the first place?" That isn't a question. That is a statement and a question. Statement being "There is a bias", question being "why?" Given that coddling and bias don't EXIST (except as a talking point for FauxNews), the question cannot be answered as you want, in fact it can't BE answered, except by saying "there is no bias".

Can you try to grasp that? IF you want to continue insisting that nobody's "answered" your question, you are both avoiding the reason--that it's not a question, it's an assumption--or deliberately ignoring that fact in order to insist the question didn't get "answered".

Try again; can you grasp that concept? If you go on insisting nobody's answered your question after I explained that so carefully, then it's YOU who doesn't get it, and I would post that is because you never intended to.

Onward to the rest of the thread: "Dismissing" the question as to whether what you posited about coddling is something Rushbaugh said IS relevant; it's exactly the thing ClusterFox has said over and over; ergo the question as to whether you get the assumption from FauxNews. You never did answer that.

Frem’s question is also relevant. Asking “WHY is there coddling” is the equivalent of asking “WHY do you beat your wife”, which is what his question should have been. If you said “IS there coddling”, just as the equivalent would be “DO you beat your wife”, it would have been a pertinent question. He was trying to show you why your question isn’t a question.

Okay, then you get into the “childish” thing...Crappy, that has gotten SO damned old, and can be thrown back in your face immediately, I really wish you’d get some new material. By the way, that’s when the name calling and insults began, so don’t complain that others responded in kind.

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Brewer's admission that she WISHED it wasn't a Muslim is all the evidence required. There can't BE any more solid, bona fide or substantial evidence than that.

is completely insane. One remark is in no way “solid, bona fide or substantial evidence”. It’s a remark by one person, however biased it might be, and in no way proves

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Why is (militant) Islam being so seemingly coddled and protected by the MSM at every turn ?

You DID say “seemingly” in that question, but went on to say

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There is a bias on this matter. To deny it is beyond absurd.

thereby stating your presumption as fact, which it’s not, which is what everyone’s been telling you.

By the way, actually the bias is in reverse. The NY bomber is a prime example. An American citizen, but of Muslim descent; immediately all the MSM began asking “Was he a Muslim terrorist”?? At first it appeared he acted alone, which they reported; later “evidence” (which I still question, as it’s politically expedient to link him to Pakistani Muslim extremists, which might have been done to foster an agenda) supposedly proved he did have extremist links, and that’s been plastered all over EVERYTHING!

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It's why FOX news is having so much success, because people grew tired of the Left leaning bias in the writing , by biased writers / reporters of the news.

is also absurd. Anyone with half a brain comes to see that FoxNoise is popular because it tells people what they already believe; their audience is already convinced of what they say, so when FoxNoise confirms it, they take it for granted it’s true.

ClusterFox has been shown over and over and over again to make up facts, lie outright and commit fraud. Their audience conveniently ignores all of that and continues to insist they’re “fair and balanced”, which is patently untrue. You are one of their sycophants, so of course you do the same. You, like the rest of their audience, will ignore and/or deny the truth about them forever; it doesn’t MAKE it the truth because you choose to believe it. No, videos proving them false aren’t shown “all the time” unless you watch MSNBC, which has such enjoyment out of pointing it out that they DO show examples all the time (which are readily available because the people on FauxNews indict THEMSELVES on the air with their own words. They’re not just biased at FauxNews, they LIE outright. Here, only a few videos have been posted, mostly because it’s generally known what idiocy FauxNews presents, so we don’t need to post them. Do you REALLY want examples? I can get them with minimal effort.

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No wedding parties were targeted. You KNOW that. What's so fucking infuriating is that you continue to distort the issue merely to score brownie points on an internet forum

There was no distortion. As has been shown, wedding parties HAVE BEEN ATTACKED, so what you said on that point is false. The Google search turned up attacks on wedding parties on July 1,2002, November 5, 2008, July 6, 2008, August 6, 2009, and March 2, 2010. That’s just the first page of Google. Nobody said they do it for “giggles”, just that they HAVE DONE IT. You never acknowledged that your flat statement was totally wrong, did you?

Okay, I’ve duplicated, but what I’ve tried to do is put things in different ways, in the hope that you can hear them then. Silly me.

The fact is, this entire thread was based on a false assumption, period. I'm sure you haven't read my posts and will go on just as you have, but it's there in black and white, explains everything, so there's no more to be said.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 14, 2010 7:13 AM

Niki, you rock. Thanks for that very complete and astute condensed version of the thread.

And yes, I absolutely DID spend some time simply snarking Rappy, once it became abundantly clear that he had no real interest in DISCUSSING any issues, but rather just posted the thread as an opportunity to grandstand and proselytize his Fauxed-up version of the "facts". (Oooh - a NEW thing to poke fun of FauxSnooze with!

)

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 14, 2010 7:35 AM

Not complete. My calling out anti Arab/Muslim policy racist ended up on the cutting room floor

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Friday, May 14, 2010 8:51 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, I was going to make a point about "Christians killing in the name of Jesus" and "pro-life" killers, but it was already so long...

And I don't know what a "phelps" is.

But your points were well taken. And

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Oh, sure, there's god all over the place in the us govt. It's a gorram crusade, there ain't no disguising it, and your up with the crusade rhetoric, we have toi dedfeaf the infadel/terrorists. Skip the bull and just go with "monkey people" that's what it's really all about, right?

was particularly on point. I could have said something about the Bible verses on guns, but what the hell...

Also the fact that the MSM is VERY quick to call anyone who does something violent a "terrorist" actually, BEFORE all the facts come out.

Nonetheless, thank you Mike; I'm aware of your point about being concise, but I don't DO "concise" very well, afraid I never will...sigh...

What happened to Crappy, anyway? I TRIED to answer his question straight up at first, but he doesn't seem to be around anymore...

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 14, 2010 9:00 AM

Or non-violent. OMG, they ran for office, the terrorists. Better kill 'em before they go and build a hospital or set up a madrasah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah

Pretty scary stuff, huh?

Kill 'em quick, get the kids too, before they get Somme learnin in them.

Toi dedfeaf should have read to defeat

A phelphs is a member of the Phelps family, as in the WBC, the one family church of hate. That god hates a lot.

Jesus otoh is a different story
Jesus want you to have a gun, and he wants you to be rich, he disapproves of banks, and wait, oh, now I get his point...

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