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Rand Paul Cancels Meet the Press Appearance, Can't Take the Heat.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/rand_paul_cancels_m
eet_the_pre.html


According to some, he's citing "exhaustion". In Hollywood, that means he's addicted to drugs. In Washington, it means he's getting his ass kicked all over the place, and can't his own fights, so runs away instead.

Just sayin'.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions



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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

The Washington Post reports that Paul has indeed canceled because “he’s had a long week.” A Paul spokesperson explained, “Rand did Good Morning America today, set the record straight, and now we are done talking about it. … No more national interviews on the topic.” Paul joins Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and Saudi Arabia’s Prince Bandar as the only guests to cancel a Meet the Press interview in recent history.

As MSNBC host Joe Scarborough told ThinkProgress today, referring to Paul’s embarrassing interview with fellow host Rachel Maddow, “if a politician can’t handle an interview, they can’t handle the Senate.”



http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/21/rand-paul-meet-the-press/



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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




Quote:

His campaign told the show he's "exhausted." Paul agreed to do the show on Wednesday before backing out late Friday afternoon.


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/21/2325521.aspx

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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:37 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, shit, I *was* gonna bite my tongue, but that's freakin pointless when everyone of ya knows without a doubt imma thinkin it.

And ain't it just like the rest of that crowd, even around here, a couple in particular, to wuss out and hide under a rock the minute a situation requires an ounce of guts, neh ?

-F

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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:42 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I heard about that one, and it made me giggle. Let's see; he's disappointed he didn't get a "honeymoon" from the press, and now he's too "exhausted" to do an interview he promised he'd do...not a promising beginning to a political career, y'think?

And hell, of course everyone knows it's not exhaustion...he can't handle the pressure. He's found himself forced to lie about the Civil Rights Act and doesn't like it, so better to not do ANY press than have to backtrack. Watch him not do much press for a while until (he thinks) it settles down. Watch it not settle down.

He should go cry to Sarahcuda about the Lamestream Media...if he hasn't already. Pooor baby, he's just not up to this I guess.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 2:24 PM

CUDA77

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
He should go cry to Sarahcuda about the Lamestream Media...if he hasn't already. Pooor baby, he's just not up to this I guess



Hey...


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Friday, May 21, 2010 2:29 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

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I'd bet money that Rand will show up on FauxNews within a week.


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Friday, May 21, 2010 2:36 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I find this disappointing. I wondered who might take up Ron Paul's mantle as he aged into retirement.

So far, it doesn't look like it will be his son.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Friday, May 21, 2010 3:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


'Cuda, don't let it get you down. Her nickname was Sarah Barracuda, or so she says, so Sarahcuda isn't a diss on you.

Rahl: I ain't taking that bet. No how, no way. You're 100% right. He's going to be their wet dream. Sarah may have been outshone!

Anthony, in a sense, I feel your pain, and agree. I had *hoped* that he was going to be a breath of fresh air, not just another bag of hot air. Seems there may be a *LOT* of disappointment about Rand.

I'd like to believe in a world where someday we wouldn't even NEED a Civil Rights Act, or an Americans with Disabilities Act, or a Fair Housing Act, or even a Fourteenth Amendment or a Bill of Rights, because all of the rights outlined and enumerated in those documents would be common knowledge and would never be questioned. But for now, I'm forced to live in the real world, the one we have, the one where we might HOPE that people will act in the ways that pay homage to their better angels, but where we must insure that they don't give voice to their inner demons, too.

Rand Paul dreams of such a world, too; the difference is, I've seen what happens if you just hope that people will do the right thing. We all *hoped* that companies like BP were doing their utmost to make drilling safe, and not cutting corners or pushing the envelope on safety, but in the real world, we should all know by now that companies will act in the interests of short-term profits whenever and wherever possible. So we regulate; we say "This you cannot do; this you MUST do. And this you CAN do, but probably shouldn't."

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Friday, May 21, 2010 3:32 PM

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Nobody watches that shite. Russert was a shill, then asked too many questions, so They kilt him.

Quote:

As MSNBC host Joe Scarborough told ThinkProgress today, referring to Paul’s embarrassing interview with fellow host Rachel Maddow, “if a politician can’t handle an interview, they can’t handle the Senate.”


Joe "I Killed My Female Intern In My Congressional Office So I Immediately Resigned" Scarborough. Rachel "Double Dong" Maddow. MSNBC and PBS are part of the Military Industrial Complex. Rand Paul is leading the Demorat Operative by 20 points. Nuff said.


All you need to know




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Friday, May 21, 2010 3:46 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I've seen what happens if you just hope that people will do the right thing.


Ironic, cause that was the very essence of the Antifederalists arguments at the Constitutional Convention, and them all the while saying "no one would ever dare!" and so there was no need for certain protections...

And they DID dare, didn't they, including Hamilton and Jay, who were planning to from the very start.

Can you imagine if the Antifederalists hadn't forced certain rights to be codified into law as part of the first ten amendments ?

It wouldn't be step by step encroachments, they'd be GONE.

Let that be a lesson about "But they wouldn't dare!" as the sole check and balance against certain actions.

-F

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Of course it's not aimed at in any way dissing you, Cuda, I'm careful to always say Sarahcuda, which others have taken up too, for the very reason Mike stated. She gave HERSELF the name, so I think it's appropriate to use it.

I won't take that bet either, Rahlm, and I'm sure nobody else here will, tho' his followers will no doubt defend him doing so because FauxNews is so "fair and balanced".

And no, Anthony, from what I've seen that's the wrong direction to look for Ron Paul's ideology to be carried on. I don't think his son is in any way ready for politics or dealing with the legislature, and I think it's going to be awfully tough on him.

Lord knows Mike I'd like to believe that too. I find it difficult to see Rand's strict ideology--was Ron's that unyielding as well? It IS the real world we live in, I don't think that utopia will ever exist unless we evolve beyond our human weaknesses.

"Double Dong", PN? I guess that's one of the only two ways you could go: sex or Jewishness. Sure you can't tie her to being a Jew somehow? It's a shame you're such a pussy, I think you might have something actually valid to offer, if you weren't so hung up on your hatred--oh, and conspiracies, I forgot that. It's a shame.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:16 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Ron Paul's philosophy is fairly unyielding, but I think he's less of a waffle about it. When you vote for Ron Paul, you get what it says on the tin.

I might like the guy for President. But never as a Dictator. If you catch the essential difference, then you understand my aim.

I think of politics as a wide watery channel with rocks on either shore. Every time we drift too far towards the rocks, it's necessary to put someone on the tiller who will yank us back the other way.

Ron Paul, or someone like him, would have the power to steer us away from one set of rocks. But he could never get us all the way to the opposite shore. That suits me just fine.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I like your river analogy, and I agree with it--one reason I'm so angry at the right. They've allowed themselves to be manipulated so far to one side, and their policy of "party of no", both have degraded their validity, and I WANT a valid two-party system (more if we could, but that's all we have now).

Definitely not as President, in my opinion, given how rigid you say his stances are; that would just take us into rocks, too, in my opinion. I'd like to see him as an ADVISOR, with a certain amount of power, but nothing more.

"Moderation in all things" is what I believe in. Too far in either direction isn't good for the country. Unfortunately...

As to Rand and ClusterFox, the love fest started long ago, and during the campaign in 2009, "Rand Paul appears on Fox News so much, the network had effectively endorsed his opponent, and his campaign won the support of key GOP figures such as former Alaska governor Sarah Palin."

I did, however, like some of the comments: "Mr. Beck's comment about how Rand is not his father is perhaps the first iota of truth he has ever spoken, and it sure does not motivate me to donate to his campaign"...." Another one asked if Beck knew Rand was a truther, which I didn't know and which makes me trust him even less.

I don't like his stance on executive powers, either: "With regard to, is there ever a time when we can go into war without a declaration? I think most pundits have agreed that in a nuclear age that there are certain things that a president can do with either secrecy or immediately in retaliation or prevention of a nuclear attack. So I think that is acknowledged."

"Dr. Paul believes in strong national defense and thinks military spending should be our country’s top budget priority", yet previously "Dr. Rand Paul has advocated cutting waste and excessive spending in the military budget".

His stances seem to change with convenient frequency, and the latest one about the Civil Rights act and his refusal to explain his stance on private enterprise dichotomy:
Quote:

Rand Paul is still ducking the core issue
Maybe I'm wrong. But I think people still aren't focused enough on the core issue at the heart of the controversy over Rand Paul's comments about the Civil Rights Act.

Specifically: Paul, the darling of the Tea Partyers and one of the highest profile GOP Senate candidates in the country, cannot bring himself to say -- clearly and unequivocally -- that the Federal government should have the power to prohibit private businesses from discriminating on the basis of skin color, religion, or national origin.

Sure, Paul has now said he would have voted for the Civil Rights Act. And his spokesman has clarified under questioning that, yes, Paul believes the Federal government should have this power.

But Paul himself can't manage to say this. He visibly doesn't want to say this. It's remarkable.

Paul had a chance this morning on ABC News to clarify his views on the proper role of Federal power vis-a-vis discrimination by private entities and institutions. He conspicuously declined to do so.

During that remarkable appearance, George Stephanopoulos read aloud from that 2002 letter Paul wrote attacking the Fair Housing Act, in which he said "a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination" and added that discrimination should not be "prohibited for private entities."

Pressed repeatedly on whether he stuck by those views, Paul refused to answer.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/rand_paul_is_still_
ducking_the.html


Anyone with any brains knows he does NOT believe the government should interfere with private enterprise, and the above is exactly what he did on Maddow's show. It seems obvious that he doesn't like being pushed into defending his position and is avoiding being cornered into doing so.

I don't trust him, pure and simple.

He also wants to abolish the Department of Education: "Paul has expressed a strong desire to eliminate the Department of Education (DOE)."

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So what's his proposed alternative to public education?

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:14 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Private Education, I presume.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:18 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


How? By government mandate? How do you make sure kids are being educated?

Or is he saying only those with money deserve an education?

Seems a bit elitist, to say the least.

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA



I don't think much of Rand, but I saw something earlier that made ME do one hell of a double take.
(Forgive me, it's a vid, but it's worth it)



I was pickin up my jaw off the floor.

But the REAL kinda-freaky part.
Rep. Grayson introduces a bill to cut separate funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and uses the money to eliminate federal income taxes on every American's first $35,000 of income. Cosponsors of this bill include Ron Paul, Walter Jones, John Conyers, Lynn Woolsey, and Dennis Kucinich.

THAT particular collective in full agreement on a single point is shocking, but extremely gratifying, and I see a tiny sliver of hope there.

-Frem

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:34 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
How? By government mandate? How do you make sure kids are being educated?

Or is he saying only those with money deserve an education?

Seems a bit elitist, to say the least.



Hello,

He thinks that if everyone paid for everything themselves, then everything would be so cheap that anyone could afford it. (basically.)

I think the Libertarian ideal is as fantasyland as every other ideal. I like many of their core principles, though.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:36 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Frem,

THIS is what I like to see.

More of this, please.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Sunday, May 23, 2010 8:16 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Rand Paul says women should not be allowed in male locker rooms with videocams, and transvestites should not be allowed in womens restrooms.

THAT's what that one section of the Civil Rights Act requires for private business.

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I think Grayson is a kick. He's been about the only person in Congress to stand up and say it like it is. He's a bit of a nut, yes, but I hope he gets re-elected...for me, he's a breath of fresh air that some thing Rand Paul would be (with which I disagree).

Paul isn't ready for prime time. Expecting a "honeymoon" from the press, dodging the Civil Rights Act question then being forced to say he would have voted for it, dodging the press, it all adds up to someone not ready for the harsh realities of politics, or running government.

Think they'll find themselves regretting putting him in office, as they already are with Brown:
Quote:

Barely three months into his tenure, Brown has fallen out of favor with his onetime Tea Party backers, and is starting to looking like something of a silver lining for Democrats. In a no-less symbolic moment, Brown declined an invitation to appear at a Tea Party rally in Boston this week headlined by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Brown's recent vote in favor of a Democrat-sponsored spending bill inspired thousands of conservatives to direct a firehose of anger at the newly-minted Senator via social media sites like Facebook and Twitter. The sudden turn against Brown is just one of a few current internal squabbles on the right that could distract the conservative movement's focus away from what's been its main focus over the past year: opposing the efforts by President Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress to expand the role of government. Explaining his actions in a Facebook wall post, Brown wrote:
Quote:

“I came to Washington to be an independent voice, to put politics aside, and to do everything in my power to help create jobs for Massachusetts families, this Senate jobs bill is not perfect. I wish the tax cuts were deeper and broader, but I am voting for it because it contains measures that will help put people back t...o work. ... I hope for improvements in that process going forward."


The post generated thousands of comments and photoshopped images in response. Branded "Benedict Brown" by some in an ode to the famous turncoat of the Revolutionary War, the outpouring of anti-Scott Brown sentiment on the Internet was so far and wide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100224/pl_ynews/ynews_pl1179
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The four other GOP senators who broke ranks — Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, George Voinovich of Ohio and Christopher "Kit" Bond of Missouri — also were criticized on Tuesday.

But Brown was the big target on conservative Web sites, talk shows and even the Facebook page his campaign has promoted as an example of his new-media savvy.
"We campaigned for you. We donated to your campaign. And you turned on us like every other RINO," said one writer, using the initials for "Republican-In-Name-Only."

The conservative-tilting Drudge Report colored a photo of Brown on its home page in scarlet.

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2010/02/23/3941171-gops-brown-branded-tu
rncoat-for-jobs-bill-vote


Methinks the Tea Partiers, for all their good intentions, aren’t quote clear on who they’re voting for! Which may be good for the Dems in the long run, who knows? I like that Brown did his own thinking and voted with his conscience; I may have been wrong about him, too...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:26 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Apparently the Tea Party activists and voters don't quite realize the irony of running an "anti-government" candidate for office, and then what happens if he wins - he's now IN THE GOVERNMENT THEY'RE SO AGAINST! So do they now have to run someone else against Brown? And what if Rand Paul wins (chances looking slimmer by the day on that one)? Do they have to immediately run someone against HIM?

They don't seem to realize that no-compromise candidates make really lousy lawmakers, because legislation is all about the art of the compromise.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 1:12 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Bang on, Mike! But then, idealists of all sorts... You know.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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