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BP's latest trick: It's even worse than I thought--please read!

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Please read this! “It’s worse than we thought” isn’t half of it; it’s getting even worse! According to some, they see carcasses of dead animals on the beach at night; by morning they’re GONE. Lots is happening to keep people from dealing with the results of the spill, and the media is being barred from reporting on it. THIS HAS TO STOP!!
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Orange Beach, Alabama -- While President Obama insists that the federal government is firmly in control of the response to BP's spill in the Gulf, people in coastal communities where I visited last week in Louisiana and Alabama know an inconvenient truth: BP -- not our president -- controls the response. In fact, people on the ground say things are out of control in the gulf.

Even worse, as my latest week of adventures illustrate, BP is using federal agencies to shield itself from public accountability.

For example, while flying on a small plane from New Orleans to Orange Beach, the pilot suddenly exclaimed, "Look at that!" The thin red line marking the federal flight restrictions of 3,000 feet over the oiled Gulf region had just jumped to include the coastal barrier islands off Alabama.

"There's only one reason for that," the pilot said. "BP doesn't want the media taking pictures of oil on the beaches. You should see the oil that's about six miles off the coast," he said grimly. We looked down at the wavy orange boom surrounding the islands below us. The pilot shook his head. "There's no way those booms are going to stop what's offshore from hitting those beaches."

BP knows this as well -- boom can only deflect oil under the calmest of sea conditions, not barricade it -- so they have stepped up their already aggressive effort to control what the public sees.

At the same time I was en route to Orange Beach, Clint Guidry with the Louisiana Shrimp Association and Dean Blanchard, who owns the largest shrimp processor in Louisiana, were in Grand Isle taking Anderson Cooper out in a small boat to see the oiled beaches. The U.S. Coast Guard held up the boat for 20 minutes - an intimidation tactic intended to stop the cameras from recording BP's damage. Luckily for Cooper and the viewing public, Dean Blanchard is not easily intimidated.

With oil undisputedly hitting the beaches and the number of dead wildlife mounting, BP is switching tactics. In Orange Beach, people told me BP wouldn't let them collect carcasses. Instead, the company was raking up carcasses of oiled seabirds. "The heads separate from the bodies," one upset resident told me. "There's no way those birds are going to be autopsied. BP is destroying evidence!"

Laughing gull head is separated from body during collection, rendering it useless for autopsy. Waveland, MS. May 13, 2010.

The body count of affected wildlife is crucial to prove the harm caused by the spill, and also serves as an invaluable tool to evaluate damages to public property - the dolphins, sea turtles, whales, sea birds, fish, and more, that are owned by the American public. Disappeared body counts means disappeared damages - and disappeared liability for BP. BP should not be collecting carcasses. The job should be given to NOAA, a federal agency, and volunteers, as was done during the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska.

NOAA should also be conducting carcass drift studies. Only one percent of the dead sea birds made landfall in the Gulf of Alaska, for example. That means for every one bird that was found, another 99 were carried out to sea by currents. Further, NOAA should be conducting aerial surveys to look for carcasses in the offshore rips where the currents converge. That's where the carcasses will pile up--a fact we learned during the Exxon Valdez spill. Maybe that's another reason for BP's "no camera" policy and the flight restrictions.

http://www.zootoo.com/journals_j_currentevent/isbphidinganimalevidence
_darylob
It’s coming out all over the place.
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From a technical standpoint, BP has botched nearly every aspect of the Gulf oil spill — from malfunctioning equipment and lax operational protocols to undeployed booms, failed containment attempts, and banned dispersants. Even the act of simply cleaning up the oil was called into question when BP hired untrained fisherman, provided no safety gear and then asked them to sign liability waivers.


Another report from someone on the scene: Dead baby dolphins bodies being removed by bp with no record to avoid paying the US for damages. for every animal killed bp has to pay the US govt for lost resources so bp is disposing of animal bodies before they can be recorded.

If you want to hear about it, here it is from people there:

For you FauxNews lovers, they report with someone on the phone:



PLEASE WATCH THIS ONE: For those of you who can handle Olbermann to watch a more complete report by a marine biologist on video talking about what SHE has seen and knows, and other stuff BP is doing. It’s the most detailed report I’ve found reporting about several tricks BP is up to beyond hiding the carcasses: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37697092

Now that it’s coming out, hopefully someone will DO something about it! This is incredible; WE MUST TAKE OVER. Our government has to be MADE to take over; I have no doubt BP is deliberately keeping things disorganized, it works for them, and they’ll continue to play every trick in the book to minimize their responsibility.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off



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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:34 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

This is disgusting. I remember when Cyberpunk was just a game I played in High School, with government-controlling evil corporations that manipulated the world into a dark, dirty future.

Then I grew up, and the bloody thing all started to come true.

If you've never heard of Cyberpunk, watch the first Robocop film and get a feel for the world there. It's supposed to be an exaggerated parody. Only... it really isn't anymore. I wonder if it ever was.

--Anthony




"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:46 AM

BYTEMITE


It's been coming true for a while. Many evil corporation story tropes and sci-fi dystopian futures came from the early half of the 20th century, when people could already see where things were going. Especially with the rise of Fascism in Europe.

Mutual cover-up from both BP and the government because they're just SUCH good friends. PR nightmare for both of them, gotta hide that evidence.

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Bump 'cuz I think everyone should know about it.

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:01 PM

DREAMTROVE


Anthony,

I think the real multinational corporation is sometimes worse ;)

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:14 PM

WHOZIT


If your hero that jugeared douchebag Obama had gotten off his ass sooner this may not be happening! He got offers from 17 countrys to help and turned them all down weeks ago. If this had happened under a McCain admin, half of Hollywood would have been there weeks ago!

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by whozit:
If your hero that jugeared douchebag Obama had gotten off his ass sooner this may not be happening! He got offers from 17 countrys to help and turned them all down weeks ago. If this had happened under a McCain admin, half of Hollywood would have been there weeks ago!



Yeah, where IS Hollywood ?


But I'll go on record as saying I doubt McCain, Bush, or anyone would have done very much better.

I'd like to think no one could do worse than what we have, AND THAT VERY WELL MAY BE THE CASE!... but when it comes to the Imperial Federal Gov't, D.C. exists in a bubble, and all we're good for is sending our hard earned $$ to keep those who live in that bubble fat, happy and utterly oblivious to the real world.








" Being correct does not excuse a violation of form " - Ducky, NCIS.

" ...the whole point of swearing is that it ain't appropriate. " - Kaylee


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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:43 PM

BYTEMITE


Nicely said, AU.

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Thanks Byte.

Sadly, it's as I imagined.

Don't believe a word I say. Watch for yourself.




( and while I know most here are fairly sharp, did ya catch who it was that helped made, and appears, briefly, in the short video ? Doin' good works, which is nice )






" Being correct does not excuse a violation of form " - Ducky, NCIS.

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:46 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What Zit, go take a long walk off a short pier...preferably in Louisiana. McCain was as much or more of an oil man than Obama, don't kid yourself.

Raptor, I agree, well said. And yes, the people on the beach while Obama was there has been all over the news, as was BP's pathetic excuse. I don't think any administration would have their shit together, Big Oil owns the whole lot of them and it's just sickening, nothing less.

Just heard that BP, after having workers sign waivers before cleaning up beaches, is telling them NOT to wear hazmat suits because it "looks bad"...!!!! And people are getting sick, but of course once you've signed a waiver...

Bastards bastards bastads...and the government to boot. Obama is totally useless, he's all words and he doesn't even get it right, is saying NOTHING about the fraud going on, and does what? Appoint a new "oil spill czar"???

It all makes me sick.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:52 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
According to some, they see carcasses of dead animals on the beach at night; by morning they’re GONE.


Damn them, I hope if dead animals start washing up on the beaches here on the Gulf coast of Florida they'll have the courtesy to leave the bloated carcases for the tourists.

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:59 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"Damn them, I hope if dead animals start washing up on the beaches here on the Gulf coast of Florida they'll have the courtesy to leave the bloated carcases for the tourists."

Hello,

I think the complaint is that the animals are not being properly catalogued so that appropriate fines can be levied.

--Anthony


"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:08 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes. The count of dead = the amount BP owes, in part. Get rid of the bodies, you get rid of the "evidence". That's the purpose, and thus far it seems to be working pretty well.

The fact that they're cutting the heads off dead birds is the giveaway--the birds can't be autopsied apparently if their heads are cut off (don't ask me why). So why else would they cut them off?

Don't worry, tho'. They'll rake up the dead bodies there, too, and minimize their responsibility to FLORIDA, too, I have no doubt; just think how much money you'll be applauding them for saving. Good on you!

It's not like the carcasses could be cleaned up officially or anything so they don't bother the tourists...oh, wait a minute: What tourists? You think lack of carcasses will be what keeps tourists away from a beach black with oil? Wow.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:46 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Right, we need BP spending their time counting dead pelicans... that's the best way to make them accountable...

No one thinks it's in BP's best interest - since day 1 - to stop this and clean it up FAST? "Well, sure." And that hasn't happened... and so the conclusion is? "We Suck?" "YES!" "We have reached the limits of what man can do?" "YES!" "Bush wasn't any more evil than Obama??" "NO! More EVIL for sure, but as with Katrina it was beyond the scope of our abilities, the complexity, the intricate chain of communications, the fear of blame and lawsuits under the intense media scrutiny... we can't even get Sarge's street drain working...everyone spent more time blaming someone else and posting pointless videos from youtube..."



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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:09 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Another report from someone on the scene: Dead baby dolphins bodies being removed by bp with no record to avoid paying the US for damages. for every animal killed bp has to pay the US govt for lost resources so bp is disposing of animal bodies before they can be recorded.


What makes you think they have to pay a 'per dead fish' fee? (yes I know dolphins are mammals)

That's just nonsense. Damages like this are not calculated in that fashion. Besides, why should they pay for any fish or mammal killed at sea? They have as much right to the sea as any other fisherman and US laws only extend twelve miles out.

"But all the shrimp are dead." Yeah, you mean the shrimp we were going to kill? We have no more or less right to the shrimp then BP does.

Enviromental damages simply are not counted in this fashion.

"That's, ten dolphins, 233 tons of shrimp, and 23 pelicans...that'll be $29.95 plus tax...or do you want to run a tab?"

Right.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I find those statements amazing. I said I found your remarks 'amazing'" Niki2, 2010.

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:56 AM

BYTEMITE


Wildlife body count is a quantifiable estimate of environmental damages for the pending civil suit on this, which will involve determining the amount of compensation that BP has to pay out. The value of the wildlife killed, environmental damages, damages to industry in the area, and costs of investigation are included in the damage claim.

The pollution has reached U.S. shores, and therefore is within the 12 miles that designate our water. Animals that were killed outside of our waters but are autotopsied and identified to have died from acute toxicity (oil in this case) washed up on our shores count as well because they were killed by the same source (as such, same civil defender for the suit). The beaches in question that have been affected and have dead animals washed up on them constitute properties, and any private owners of those properties and the states owning affected public properties are allowed to claim environmental damages.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2Kl4ORd3TVQJ:www.
environmentalpartners.net/Files/Ch%25205%2520Sec%2520B%2520CERCLA.doc+CERCLA+civil+liability+wildlife&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


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B. CERCLA Liens - Cleanup costs and other costs due to the United States under CERCLA create a lien upon the real property affected. This lien is subject to other liens. [Section 9607(1)].

1. The First Circuit has deemed Section 107(1) to be unconstitutional on its face. Reardon v. United States, 947 F.2d 1509, 1514-17 (1st Cir. 1991) (en banc).

2. Natural Resource Damages

a. Section 107(a)(4)(c) authorizes the recovery of "natural resource damages." Such damages include loss of wildlife or fish and other harms to the environment itself.



http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoYeah

The system operates under the "polluter pays" principal, and liability for innocent landowners and bonafide prospective purchasers is waived when the polluter is identified. Removal of the evidence of damages by the civil defender might constitute a criminal offense, but that's your area of the law, not mine.

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