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Here we go: the farce of judicial nomination attacks from the very beginning
Monday, June 28, 2010 7:37 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Leading senators on the Judiciary Committee signaled a contentious hearing starting Monday on Elena Kagan's Supreme Court nomination, with some Republicans saying a GOP filibuster was possible. Democrats countered that no nominee from President Barack Obama would have satisfied Republicans. In an exchange on CNN's "State of Union," Democratic Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey chided Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas over what Menendez joked were unattainable GOP standards. "I think if John and some of his colleagues in the Republican caucus had 10 angels coming from above swearing that this person was the most qualified ... for the Supreme Court, was a centrist and would follow the rule of law and obey precedent, they would say 'too extreme,' " Menendez said.
Monday, June 28, 2010 7:41 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Monday, June 28, 2010 1:26 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, June 28, 2010 1:54 PM
DREAMTROVE
Monday, June 28, 2010 3:11 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:21 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Here's a snag: this makes three Jews. As a representative sample of the US, its skewed. I can see that there will be an increase until we reach a point where any position will be automatically decided on the side of zionism.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:51 AM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:39 AM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:12 AM
CUDA77
Like woman, I am a mystery.
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: She has stated that she believes the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to be a "living, breathing" document. They are not.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:47 AM
Quote:One of the great successes of the legal wing of the conservative movement is the widespread connection in the mind of many citizens and pundits of "liberal" judicial philosophy with "activism," and "conservatism" with "strict constructionism." They'd have us believe that "liberal activist" and "conservative constructionist" are basically redundancies, and that there simply is no such thing as a conservative activist. This is patently untrue. There is a very simple explanation for why a conservative may be activist and a liberal statist--the state of the law. The Warren Court wanted to overturn precedents, and so it ruled laws passed by Congress and (especially) state legislatures unconstitutional. And as the Court of that era slowly and sometimes not-so-slowly changed the law, the justices by definition needed to be less activist as the state of the law became more amenable to their views--precisely because they had changed the law. But guess what? The Rehnquist Court did the same thing, as Republican-appointed justices found the laws passed by state legislatures and (especially) Congress during the years of the Great Society and thereafter to be out of line with the political and judicial philosophies they brought to the bench. Accordingly, they ruled to change the law too. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZTcCp8eYEyI/Sl6iADfvtsI/AAAAAAAAAFk/WINbXri3E1U/s400/SC-federal.JPG The most activist Court? A: The Late Rehnquist Court, which in terms of the annual average number of federal statutes overturned by the Court ranks first. Though I only show data from the Roosevelt Court forward, Late Rehnquist has the highest score of any Court era going back to the days of John Jay. So much for modern conservatives' deference to legislatures and the disdain for "judge-made" law."
Quote:The political right has been remarkably successful with its attack on judicial activism. Whether any particular claim proved true or not, it has served to mobilize the far right "social issues" wing of the party. This, in turn, has helped conservatives and Republicans accomplish two major things. First, it has led Republican presidents to look further to the right for nominees to the federal bench. Look no further than President George Bush saying he admired justices in the mold of the Court's two most conservative – Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas – and then appointing Chief Justice John Roberts and Sam Alito. It has also put Democrats on the defensive, leading them to nominate judges who are more moderate than many in the liberal wing of the party would prefer. As a result, the federal courts have shifted significantly to the right in both their makeup and in their judgments in recent years. Second, it has helped conservatives win elections. George Bush's win in 2000 has been attributed, in part, to the use of "wedge" issues and mobilization of the conservative "base" – just the people campaigns about judicial activism are aimed at. All the sudden, though, the Roberts Court has given the left a new lease on its argument that it is actually the conservative judges who are making up the rules and mangling the Constitution. In 2006, the five-person conservative majority on the Court rolled back years of precedents without even acknowledging they were doing it. They upheld a congressional ban on late-term abortions (what sometimes is called "partial birth abortion") even though the Court just a few years earlier had struck down a similar, nearly indistinguishable, law. They interpreted campaign finance restrictions on corporations so narrowly the remaining law was meaningless. They said taxpayers could not sue over George Bush's "faith-based initiatives" even though such suits against Congress had long been okayed. To liberal critics, that sort of willful dismissal of precedent is the very definition of judicial activism. Even Justices Scalia and Thomas – though they agreed with the results in these cases – called out their colleagues for not being honest in overturning precedents. Then came this January's big decision in a case known as "Citzens United." In that case, the Court struck down a congressional law limiting corporate influence in elections – this time explicitly established precedents. The President pointed a finger at the justices in his State of the Union address (prompting an angry shrug from Justice Alito, and – later – a public rebuke from the Chief Justice). Polls showed the decision in Citzens United was wildly unpopular – even among Republicans.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:56 AM
Quote:11th Immunity of states from suits from out-of-state citizens and foreigners not living within the state borders. Lays the foundation for sovereign immunity. 12th Revises presidential election procedures. 13th Abolishes slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. 14th Defines citizenship and deals with post–Civil War issues. 15th Prohibits the denial of suffrage based on race, color, or previous condition of servitude. 16th Allows the federal government to collect income tax. 17th Allows senators to be directly elected. 18th Prohibition of alcohol (Repealed by Twenty-first Amendment) 19th Allows for women's suffrage. 20th Fixes the dates of term commencements for Congress (January 3) and the President (January 20); known as the "lame duck amendment". 21st Repeals the Eighteenth Amendment. 22nd Limits the president to two terms, or a maximum of 10 years (i.e., if a Vice President serves not more than one half of a President's term, he can be elected to a further two terms). 23rd Provides for representation of Washington, D.C. in the Electoral College. 24th Prohibits the revocation of voting rights due to the non-payment of poll taxes. 25th Codifies the Tyler Precedent; defines the process of presidential succession. 26th Establishes 18 as the national voting age. 27th Prevents laws affecting Congressional salary from taking effect until the beginning of the next session of Congress.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:04 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: "WHY ?" She has stated that she believes the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to be a "living, breathing" document. They are not. They are not up for "intrepretation". In fact, its when you have people putting their own spin on these 2 documents, that we always end up in trouble. I get sick to my stomach (and punchy, stabbey) when I hear someone who wants to bring these documents into the "present". It always starts out with "Rights are not unlimited..." ETA: Look what happened with the 2A. It clearly states that it is not to be infringed. But it was, and is, and continues to be.. all because some idiot wanted to put their beliefs on everyone else. Plus, the 2 points you made. Sorry, I don't always have the time to write things so "poetical".
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:13 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:25 AM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:40 AM
BYTEMITE
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:52 AM
Quote:nearly all justices would be from the 'New England establishment' - graduates of Ivy league colleges (most from Harvard).
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Actually, the Amendments are a good point. So. You want to make me have to go thru a backround check, or to apply for a CCW? Ok, then go thru the proper procedures to amend it to the Constitution.
Quote: As to the "militia" aspect of it. I've said it before, will say it again. The 2A accomplishes 2 things. It acknowledges the right of an individual to own arms... and to join in a militia in order to KEEP a free state. In other words, I can own a gun, and form/join a militia to forcibly oust tyrannical government. Funny how no one thinks of that. But, by natural law (acknowledged by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights), I have the right to form a militia, arm it with the best weapons of the time... and to overthrow a tyrannical government in order to preserve a free state.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: I think we ought to repeal the fourth amendment though. I mean, it did its purpose, the south isn't going to reinstitute slavery on a state level anymore.
Quote:The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:44 AM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:45 AM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:48 AM
Quote:Id like the supreme court to in some way represent the population.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:52 AM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:08 PM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:10 PM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:36 PM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: The problem lies in that some want to limit that, because they are neither intelligent nor mature. So their under-development becomes everyones burden.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:44 PM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: The "good old boy" thing was showing the opposite end of the spectrum, not a snark directed at you. However long Dumbya spent in college, I seem to recall his grades stank, and did he finish? I forget. I seem to remember he flunked out SOMEWHERE, but that could be a false memory. I agree with what you said; but your point, or at least the way you wrote it, was that because she's Ivy League, she'll vote with the Democrats. It's a common disparagement, "Ivy League", "elitist", etc. My point was initially that almost ALL of them are or have been Ivy League, and I think they've come up with some fairly good decisions (albeit perhaps later than the rest of the country came to the same conclusions...). So I don't think it holds true either that because she has an Ivy League background she is destined to vote Dem, OR that having university-educated people on SCOTUS is necessarily a bad thing. What alternative were you pointing to, if not the folksy type? Virtually every university turns out the same kind of thinking--well, barring anachronisms like Berserkeley anyway. Surely you wouldn't want someone on the Supremes who had no college education, or just a junior college education--oh, wait. Do they have to be at least lawyers? 'Cuz they couldn't get into law school without a university degree, right? I'm just not sure what your alternative is, mostly. If you get no response, it's 'cuz I've been on here all DAY and it's getting hotter than hades. I gotta get off.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:50 PM
Quote:No, Kwick, you clown. Just that the ideals of freedom are needing of maturity and intelligence. NOT that you need those things. Cus, we need target practice. To end those that are neither mature nor intelligent.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Kwicko: Oops, yeah, fourteenth amendment. mistype.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:57 PM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:02 PM
Quote:I agree with what you said; but your point, or at least the way you wrote it, was that because she's Ivy League, she'll vote with the Democrats. It's a common disparagement, "Ivy League", "elitist", etc. My point was initially that almost ALL of them are or have been Ivy League, and I think they've come up with some fairly good decisions (albeit perhaps later than the rest of the country came to the same conclusions...).
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:12 PM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: You mean this serpentine thing? WAAAAAAAY ahead of you, clown. "Liberals and Progressives are just children getting older. They need harsh discipline at every oppurtunity. Not that Conservatives are much better." - WULF
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:31 PM
Quote: would like people in the Supreme Court who AREN'T PARTISAN. IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE. Individuality, intelligence and/or wisdom and/or common sense would also be a plus.
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