Angel Becomes His Own Worst Enemy by Hjermsted

ANGELUS ARCANUM

Angel Becomes His Own Worst Enemy

POSTED BY: HJERMSTED
UPDATED: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:14
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Monday, August 5, 2002 10:32 AM

Okay so we have a hint that Angelus returns to the Buffyverse as does Faith the Slayer.

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What we didn't know was how.

Apparently the gang needs some info that only Angelus would retain in memory so they DELIBERATELY bring Angelus back. When he ends up escaping, Faith is the one chosen to track him down.

I for one, am stoked for Angel S4!

The full article can be found here (spoiler warning):
http://www.insidevc.com/vcs/news/article/0,1375,VCS_121_1305842,00.htm
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mattro

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Monday, August 5, 2002 10:45 AM

NOVAGRASS

Hmm... this has potential to be the best Angel story arc yet! It also has potential to fail miserably. Either way, I'm returning to Angel after a year's hiatus next year.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

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Monday, August 5, 2002 5:54 PM

KOOKYTREE

I reckon this isnt true. The Buffy crew are notorious for sending out fake spoilers to throw everyone off the scent. It'd be great to see Faith back, though I think the Angelus thing has been almost overdone- can they really say anything new with it?

Stay kooky.

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Tuesday, August 6, 2002 9:49 AM

HJERMSTED

The Hannibal Lector approach sounds intriguing enough. And anyway you get Faith back in there (after a two year absence!) will work for me. Period.

If the new boss and writers of Angel can pull this off and add enough new takes on the theme, this story arc should be grand.

On another note, I've been reading many summary slams of Angel S3 and would just like to state for the record that I really enjoyed this past season! The return of Darla (pregnant!)... the evolution of Wesley... the addition of Fred... the continuing dark humor of W&H... the return of a full grown Connor (raised by an enemy of Angelus)... all this and more added up to a damned exciting season for this viewer.

Sure Angel as a daddy was annoying. News flash: All new parents are annoying. In that sense the show was spot on.

If you bailed on S3, you missed some great TV. Give it another chance!

mattro

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Tuesday, August 6, 2002 3:51 PM

NOVAGRASS

Quote:
Originally posted by Hjermsted: The Hannibal Lector approach sounds intriguing enough. And anyway you get Faith back in there (after a two year absence!) will work for me. Period.

If the new boss and writers of Angel can pull this off and add enough new takes on the theme, this story arc should be grand.

On another note, I've been reading many summary slams of Angel S3 and would just like to state for the record that I really enjoyed this past season! The return of Darla (pregnant!)... the evolution of Wesley... the addition of Fred... the continuing dark humor of W&H... the return of a full grown Connor (raised by an enemy of Angelus)... all this and more added up to a damned exciting season for this viewer.

When you put it that way, it sounds compelling and interesting, and I'll admit, all of the ideas were there. It had potential to be great, but with the poor (and often downright annoying) writing for many episodes, I believe the season ultimately failed. I tuned in for all of the important episodes (my sister, being a spoiler hound, instructing me to do so) and there were a few that I enjoyed, but the filler episodes I saw were horrid (notably, Carpe Noctem, Billy, and Tomorrow).

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Sure Angel as a daddy was annoying. News flash: All new parents are annoying. In that sense the show was spot on.

If you bailed on S3, you missed some great TV. Give it another chance!

mattro

I didn't bail completely, and I enjoyed several of the episodes I watched (namely, Lullaby, Sleep Tight, and Waiting in the Wings). But overall, there were too many bad episodes for me to continue watching regularly.

The best thing about Angel this season was Fred. I *love* Fred. I think that she, by far, gave the best perfomance of any cast member of Angel and was on par with James Marsters' and Sarah Michelle Gellar's performances on Buffy. Joss really scored when he cast Amy Acker. Unfortunately, he didn't have so much luck when they cast Gunn in season 1 and Connor in season 3.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

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Buffy: And you know, I really doubt it.
Willow: Caught me. Big fib... to cover up the sleazy affair I had with Angel!

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 7:14 AM

HJERMSTED

Assuming this plot thread rumor is true, HOW will Angel become Angelus in a controlled environment?

They've done the happy drug thing already and the effects of it wear off after one episode.

Think Cordy will volunteer to give Angel a happy (despite the emotional masochism she would have to endure)?

mattro

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 8:18 AM

BOBKNAPTOR

But with Willow being off the magic, how would he get his soul back after they got what they needed from him? Whatever they do, it's gotta be temporary.

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Faith: You want to listen or you wanna die?
Angelus: As long as you're there, I mostly want you to wriggle.

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 8:23 AM

SHUGGIE

This board's been pretty good about spoilers up to now. Can we remember spoiler tags please?

Thanks

Shug

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 10:25 AM

PANDORA

Quote:
Originally posted by Hjermsted:
Select to view spoiler:

Assuming this plot thread rumor is true, HOW will Angel become Angelus in a controlled environment?

They've done the happy drug thing already and the effects of it wear off after one episode.

Think Cordy will volunteer to give Angel a happy (despite the emotional masochism she would have to endure)?

mattro

Ok, but here's the thing:

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Will a 'happy' really transform Angel anymore? I mean, reallly - how happy can a 'happy' truly make him when he knows he's going to turn into a soulless monster as a result of it? Sounds like some angsty lovin' to me... might not work. But then the next time it might, because he wouldn't think it would happen again...

Oy. Confusing.

Anyway, I imagine if witchcraft can resoul him, it must be able to desoul him, too.

Pandora
It smells like stinky garbage. Ick.

"Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies
and the baby looked at me." -Ralph Wiggum

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 11:16 AM

NOVAGRASS

Quote:
Originally posted by bobknaptor:
But with Willow being off the magic, how would he get his soul back after they got what they needed from him? Whatever they do, it's gotta be temporary.

______________
Faith: You want to listen or you wanna die?
Angelus: As long as you're there, I mostly want you to wriggle.

You don't think Wesley could do it? Couldn't be that hard... it was one of Willow's first spells, if not the first... and she did it flawlessly. I'm confident that Wes could do it easily.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

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Friday, August 16, 2002 12:14 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Hjermsted:
Okay so we have a hint that Angelus returns to the Buffyverse as does Faith the Slayer.

Select to view spoiler:

Apparently the gang needs some info that only Angelus would retain in memory so they DELIBERATELY bring Angelus back.

My problem with this plot point is that it really doesn't make much sense metaphysically speaking.

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I mean Angel and Angelus are not two different people with two different memories. Anything Angel knows Angelus knows, and vice versa.

I'm truly hoping this rumour is wrong. If this is merely an attempt to draw in viewers, then I'll be sorely disappointed!

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"You try chatting with a cranky hamburger." - Wesley, Loyalty

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