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Saturday, December 4, 2010 10:05 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The chiefs of the Army, Marine Corps and Air Force do not support a repeal of the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” law, telling lawmakers Friday that such a move could add unnecessary stress to the force. “The potential for damage is there,” said Gen. James Amos, commandant of the Marine Corps. “A repeal would absolutely have an impact on combat units … so my concern goes back to their issues of cohesion and the burden on those units.” The chiefs spoke during the second day of hearings before the Senate Armed Services Committee, one day after Defense Secretary Robert Gates urged the same lawmakers to act now on a repeal. On Tuesday the Pentagon released details of its review of the issue, recommending a slow but deliberate pace of training and policy changes to allow gay troops to serve openly. But the Army and Marine Corps leaders in particular said they did not agree with the assessment that a dramatic policy change would have only limited impact on troops’ morale and mission effectiveness. Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey said a repeal would “add another level of stress to an already stretched force” and “be more difficult for the Army than the report suggests.” All four service chiefs said they believe a repeal of the 17-year-old law will take place in coming years. But while Adm. Gary Roughead recommended Congress act on a repeal now and Air Force Gen. Norton Schwartz pushed for a repeal no sooner than 2012, both Casey and Amos said lawmakers should wait until the pressures of combat operations overseas are not weighing on troops’ minds. A survey conducted as part of the repeal study showed that fewer than a third of troops believe repealing the law would hurt the mission focus or effectiveness.
Saturday, December 4, 2010 11:34 AM
PHOENIXROSE
You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.
Saturday, December 4, 2010 12:08 PM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Saturday, December 4, 2010 1:09 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Saturday, December 4, 2010 1:59 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Sunday, December 5, 2010 7:00 AM
Sunday, December 5, 2010 7:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: It just sickens me.
Sunday, December 5, 2010 8:19 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:43 AM
THEHAPPYTRADER
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:50 AM
PENGUIN
Monday, December 6, 2010 9:14 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by TheHappyTrader: But, just to play devil's advocate, I've heard arguments to the effect of them not wanting to share bathrooms and showers with homosexuals, mostly on account of the nakedness. 'Course, this argument usually made rather crudely with all manner of curses and the word 'faggot' but maybe those kind of feelings are what the military is concerned about? Not saying that makes it right, but would you be in favor of men and women sharing showers?
Monday, December 6, 2010 9:52 AM
Quote:The early history of Jewish service was complicated by American assumptions that Jews were unwilling or unable to serve in the military. This perception was to last for centuries.
Quote: General Ulysses Grant's Order #11, expelling Jews from the territory occupied by the Union armies under his command during the Civil War
Quote:At the time, the military — along with the overwhelming majority of the country — opposed integrating black servicemembers into the forces and preferred a 'separate but equal' approach that would have required the military to construct separate recreation spaces and facilities. The survey about Jews was no more promising, with 86% of the soldiers agreeing that "there is nothing good about Jews."
Quote:White enlisted men showed a strong prejudice toward sharing recreation, theater or post facilities with Negroes.
Monday, December 6, 2010 10:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Quote:Originally posted by TheHappyTrader: But, just to play devil's advocate, I've heard arguments to the effect of them not wanting to share bathrooms and showers with homosexuals, mostly on account of the nakedness. 'Course, this argument usually made rather crudely with all manner of curses and the word 'faggot' but maybe those kind of feelings are what the military is concerned about? Not saying that makes it right, but would you be in favor of men and women sharing showers? Why the hell not ? I mean, this idiotic and asinine assumption that soldiers cannot control themselves and thus must be pre-emptively punished for it, or the "troublemakers" which would cause their lack of control should... You know, I've seen THAT argument somewhere else before. Should we make female soldiers wear burqas, then ? Seriously, why the hell is nudity so appalling and offensive anyway, save that our whole damn society is seriously pyschologically fucked up ? And if our soldiers really can't control themselves, why the hell do we trust them with a firearm then ? Seriously, it makes no goddamn sense to me, and this is very likely in part cause I don't seem to suffer the same "issues" every bloody body else seems to have about such things... Honestly, I barely comprehend the argument, and can hardly at all figure out WHY there's an argument at all! -Frem I do not serve the Blind God.
Monday, December 6, 2010 11:14 AM
STORYMARK
Monday, December 6, 2010 11:17 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 12:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Why the hell not ?
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