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Five Myths about Obama

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 10:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


You may not agree with them, but here goes:
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Obama's Myths. Busted.

President Obama is set to appear on tonight's episode of MythBusters, airing at 9 p.m. EST on the Discovery Channel. In an attempt to promote math and science education, Obama asks the team to investigate the myth that ancient Greek mathematician Archimedes set a ship on fire by reflecting the sun off mirrors.

NewsFeed thinks Obama really missed an opportunity here. Why not use the airtime to deflect myths about himself? Luckily, NewsFeed his here to pick up the pieces and set the record straight.

Myth: He Was Not Born in America

One of the biggest Obama myths comes from the Birther movement, which alleges that the President was actually born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and was smuggled into the States days after his birth. Therefore, they say, Obama was not born in the U.S. and is Constitutionally disqualified from holding his office. The state of Hawaii confirmed the authenticity of the birth certificate, but that hasn't stopped the movement. California dentist and lawyer Orly Taitz sued to have Obama thrown out in 2009 based on this myth -- and the case itself was promptly thrown out.

Myth: He is Muslim

President Obama has been repeatedly asked to declare and defend his Christianity--largely in the wake of the Park51 controversy in Manhattan. After a Muslim community center near Ground Zero became a political and media maelstrom, Obama’s opponents once again found opportunity to stir the political pot, voicing doubts about the president’s faith. And despite the Constitution reading that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States,” the president has openly, and consistently, proclaimed his Christianity.

Myth: He is a Socialist

One of the most common criticisms slung at the president from his opponents is that he is a socialist, promoting a socialist agenda. They point to health care reform and the Wall Street bailouts as examples of Obama’s socialist policies. So registered socialists, like the members of the Socialist Party USA for example, ought to be thrilled, right? Wrong. Billy Wharton, co-chair of the party says that Obama’s ideology and policies are far from socialist. He told CNN that the popular criticism of the president simply “means that people don’t understand what socialism is.”

While there are varying definitions of socialism as an ideology, a basic definition is that the citizens should have control of the economic institutions that affect them, usually through the state. Does health care reform or the financial bailouts fall under such a definition? Not quite. Private insurance companies largely still control health care and the bailout didn’t include an increase of state control over financial institutions.

Myth: He's an 'Anti-Colonialist'

The cover of the September 27, 2010 edition of Forbes magazine read "How He Thinks: The Root of Obama's Big Problem with Big Business." In the cover story, Dinesh D'Souza argues the root of the President's seemingly antibusiness views is the man's own roots. D'Souza wrote that Obama "adopted his father's position that capitalism and free markets are code words for economic plunder ... Clearly the anti-colonial ideology of Barack Obama Sr. goes a long way to explain the actions and policies of his son."

Forbes argued the story was presented as an analysis, but White House officials argued the facts refuted the story. First of all, the President's father abandoned his family when Obama was two years old; the two only saw each other one other time, when President Obama was 10. Though an opinion can't necessarily be debunked, it's tough to adopt your father's economic policies when you barely interacted with him.

Myth: He is the Son of Malcolm X

Yes, that Malcolm X.

One of the most bizarre myths about the president (out of a long list of bizarre myths, mind you), is that Obama is actually the son of Malcolm X and not Barack Obama Sr. The theory, which was originally published as a guest post on the conservative blog Atlas Shrugs, was essentially based on the idea that Malcolm X and the president are both… tall. Conservative activist Pamela Geller, who runs Atlas Shrugs, has said herself that she doesn’t believe the Malcolm X myth holds water and there has been zero evidence to support the theory--she merely posted the article because “the author did a spectacular job documenting Obama’s many connections with the Far Left.”

Though this myth is by far the most groundless, it’s also NewsFeed’s favorite for sheer audacity and out-there-ness.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/12/08/mythbusters-obama-edition-the-top-
5-myths-about-president-obama/#ixzz17YNnieTV


Okay, so the last one's pretty silly, but in truth, how much sillier than the "not born in America" and "Muslim" ones?


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Non myths about Obama -

He didn't grow up on the mainland of the US. What, Hawaii isn't part of the USA ? Of course it is, but if that's the sum total of your immersion into US culture, and you live as sheltered a life as Obama has, you're hard pressed to understand the people of this country.

Most of the Muslim world views Obama as a Muslim. It's how they view the son of the father,and his father was a Muslim. It's more a perception thing than reality, but Obama's Christianity sure seems more suspect and a matter of political expediency, than any true belief.


He's a socialist ? Yeah, pretty much.


He's an 'Anti-Colonialist' ? If one understands the true meaning of that word, ... Obama is undeniably anti Western. That much is plain to see.


The son of Malcolm X ?

Well, maybe not literally, but he's clearly the son in the sense that he's a revoltuionary. And not in a good revolutionary way ( our revoltuion for freedom ), but in the bad , Communist revolution, sort of way.

Oh, and this just is too precious...

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It’s a big, diverse country and people have a lot of complicated positions. It means that in order to get stuff done, we’re going to compromise. This is why FDR, when he started Social Security, it only affected widows and orphans. You did not qualify. And yet now it is something that really helps a lot of people. When Medicare was started, it was a small program. It grew.




First of all, Barry, you're wrong. SSI wasn't suppose to be JUST affect widows and orphans. Seriously pal, come out of your own little world and join us in this one, please ?

And when Medicare was started, it WAS small. But like all gov programs, it grew... grew and grew....

Kinda like Audrey II. It got out of control, and started eating people, alive...



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:27 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
you're hard pressed to understand the people of this country.

But the myth is not about whether he can understand the country or not.
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Most of the Muslim world views Obama as a Muslim.
C'mon, Rap. If most of the muslim world thinks you're an asshole, does that make you an asshole? If most Buddhists think I am a secret Buddhist because my mother was a Buddhist, but I say, "No, fuck Buddha, I'm a Christian." Does that make me a Buddhist?

Religion is not an inherited trait, no matter how many idiots in the world (including certain infamous genocidal maniacs we won't mention) believe it is.

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:31 PM

WHOZIT


Myth: He has a penis

The fact is his wife is a "SHEMALE" and is the one with the penis in the family.

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:36 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



There are lots of 'myths', stories and rumors going around, about all sorts of things. To lend credence to most of them, it's a futile act, like a dog chasing its tail.

The idea that Obama IS a Muslim is silly. The FACT that he doesn't relate to most of America, that he literally has lapses in judgement and understanding of this nation and its history, isn't so silly.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:47 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER


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C'mon, Rap. If most of the muslim world thinks you're an asshole, does that make you an asshole? If most Buddhists think I am a secret Buddhist because my mother was a Buddhist, but I say, "No, fuck Buddha, I'm a Christian." Does that make me a Buddhist?


Dammit, does this mean I have to be catholic now? I don't wanna be catholic, too much kneeling and rules. Can I go diet-catholic (Episcopalian) and have the same great religion with half the guilt?

On a more serious note, while I'm not a fan of Obama, I like it when he publicly encourages learning like on Mythbusters or when he said something to the effect (when addressing students) that you get what you put into your education and basically inspired them to take initiative in their own life. Once upon a time, minorities saw education as their ticket to freedom and equality. Too often nowadays it seems people just want a hand out.

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 6:41 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Once upon a time, minorities saw education as their ticket to freedom and equality. Too often nowadays it seems people just want a hand out.

I think part of the problem is that education has changed since those days. Don't want to threadjack this into another education debate, but just sayin', the education bootstraps aren't as sturdy or cheap as they used to be.

And yes, I believe that as welfare became more and more entrenched as an American institution, the entitlement mentality has become more popular.

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:22 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


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Originally posted by Niki2:
NewsFeed thinks Obama really missed an opportunity here.


He kind of did, but not because he should have asked them to bust myths about him. He should, perhaps, have asked them about something they hadn't busted twice already. They made some interesting points about how failed experiments will make you think, which was cool, and damn it was nice to hear a President who knows that the proper word for 'unproven idea' is 'hypothesis' and not 'theory.' Thank you for having a vocabulary, Mr. President. However, the conclusion was basically foregone. As a loyal viewer who has watched all episodes, many of them in multiple, there wasn't a lot of suspense in this experiment. I knew it would fail. And even if Adam said the suspense was killing him, they also knew it would fail. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have put Jaime in the boat, firesuit or no.


Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean it becomes yours.

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:55 PM

CATPIRATE


Ok lets see you don't have a work ethic you won't make it. Will work for food is a start. Oh by the way don't go into my occupation. You can make more money as a Starbucks manager then what I do now. Don't have to have crap hours, hard work, mental smarts, and responsibility of people's lives. 10 years ago huge bucks now crap. But some of the chain offits pay good for managers. That's a cake walk. Working in a oil field would be easier. They make good money but earn it. But Starbucks ya get banana walnut bread too.

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Thursday, December 9, 2010 7:22 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


You know, busting the myths about Obama involves research. Reading and looking at stuff, not so much with the experiments. Much as I would like to hear Adam and Jaime talking about the facts, they work in a visual medium. While they're occasionally shown doing math, they're primarily shown building things, shooting things, chopping things, and making things go boom. It makes better TV than a couple of guys sitting around reading books and speaking up when they find something useful, or making speeches and holding up their reference material for the camera.


Facts are stubborn things.

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Friday, December 10, 2010 8:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good point, Lili. Also the fact that, from the one or two times I've watched the show, they're about busting physical myths, things they can experiment with, not philosophical myths or "Urban Myths", which in my mind the above actually are.


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Friday, December 10, 2010 9:33 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


They do some 'Urban' myths, but it is always things they can experiment with. After all, their opener states that they don't tell the myths, they put them to the test. Some interesting myths that were more research-based that they've done have included "woman giving birth to octopus" and "humans only use ten percent of their brains." They did run experiments, especially with various brain scanners, but there was just as much research. They've also done a few myths that may be considered philosophical. They tested various 'mind-control' devices, ran an experiment to see if yawning was indeed contagious, ran a few experiments on what hypnosis could and couldn't affect, etc. But they have to have something they can actually put on film. I saw Adam Savage at Dragoncon, and he talked about having to find the balance between fact-checking and interesting television. Apparently Jaime would be quite happy to show an hour of research, tweaking, and minutia, and would think it was interesting television. Adam is much more an "entertain them" kind of guy, and does what he can to make good television. I think it's good, because between them you get entertaining TV that can actually be informative.


Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean it becomes yours.

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Friday, December 10, 2010 10:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hmmm, I should make the effort to watch it more. As I said, I only saw it once or twice (and those times were when I went in to Jim's room to be with him--he watches it fairly regularly). I obviously haven't given it the respect it's due.

It seemed to me to only be busting myths about physical things, and the myths they busted those times weren't very interesting. Sounds like there's more to it, thanx Rose.

I guess by "urban myths" I was thinking more of things that can't be disproven physically. To me, the ones you mentioned, mind control, the brain and hypnosis, ARE things that can at least somewhat be proven or disproven. The stuff about Obama really can't be--except for showing documents or something, or testing the veracity of those documents. Both methods seem boring and wouldn't make for much of a show, to me.


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Friday, December 10, 2010 10:54 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER


It's one of my favorite shows. I especially love the Macgyver esque myths or when they test ancient ideas or devices.

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Friday, December 10, 2010 11:41 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


It might be my favorite show that's still on air If not, it's easily my favorite show that's defined as "reality."


Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean it becomes yours.

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