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Giffords tragedy could be a defining moment for Palin
Monday, January 10, 2011 9:49 AM
THEHAPPYTRADER
Quote:Within an hour of Saturday's tragic shooting in Arizona, the Twittersphere had quickly seized on a map put out by Sarah Palin's political action committee last year that had gun-sight images over the congressional districts of House Democrats she wanted to win for the GOP in 2010. Among her targets: Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, who was critically wounded by a gunman Saturday. His motives, authorities say, are not fully known. But friends of the suspect, Jared Loughner, have suggested that he had held a grudge for at least three years against Giffords dating back to when he met her in 2007. Still, some believe that incendiary rhetoric like Palin's bears some responsibility in the tragedy. Giffords herself had previously raised concerns about Palin's map: "The way that she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have got to realize there are consequences to that action." On Sunday,the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, Dick Durbin, cited the Palin map as a sign of the "toxic rhetoric" that has come to define national politics in recent years. He said he was not making a direct connection between Palin and the shootings. Palin offered her condolences after the massacre Saturday in a brief message on Facebook and has said little else of it. But she did email conservative radio host Glenn Beck, who read part of their exchange on the air Monday morning, per Politico's Keach Hagey. "I hate violence," Palin wrote Beck. "I hate war. Our children will not have peace if politicos just capitalize on this to succeed in portraying anyone as inciting terror and violence." Still, Palin has become a focal point in the debate over heated rhetoric, and her response is likely to be a defining moment in her political career. One informal but telling sign of the potential stakes for Palin: According to Facebook, the top question dominating debate on the site over the weekend was "Is Sarah Palin to blame?" So far, Palin's team, angry that the former governor is being linked to the shooting, has struggled to contain the controversy. On Saturday, the map citing Giffords was abruptly pulled from the SarahPAC site — even though it remained on Facebook. Rebecca Mansour, a Palin aide, said on Twitter that the map was pulled because it "was no longer relevant" since the 2010 campaign was over. In a subsequent interview with GOP radio host Tammy Bruce, Mansour defended the map. They weren't gun sights but "surveyor's symbols," Bruce suggested, according to Alaska Dispatch, and Mansour agreed. But that contradicted Palin's own prior characterization of the map's symbol as a "'bullseye' icon." According to Alaska Dispatch, Mansour said attempts to link Palin to the shooting were "obscene" and "appalling." She said there was "nothing irresponsible about our graphic." Palin is hardly the first politician to use gun or military imagery in campaigning. As the Palin's supporters on the right noted, even President Obama has used similar metaphors, telling Democratic donors in 2008, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." And Palin's former running mate, Arizona GOP Sen. John McCain, had defended Palin's call for followers to "reload" as they rallied to capture Congress. "I've heard all of the language throughout my political career," he said. But the bigger question is whether Palin will seek to passionately defend her comments and political ground — as she has been known to do during past controversies — or whether she, like other political figures in recent days, will urge her supporters to cool the rhetoric. As Politico's Jonathan Martin says: "Whether she defends, explains or even responds at all to the intense criticism of her brand of confrontational politics could well determine her trajectory on the national scene — and it's likely to reveal the scope of her ambitions as well."
Monday, January 10, 2011 12:50 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by TheHappyTrader: From the article: As Politico's Jonathan Martin says: "Whether she defends, explains or even responds at all to the intense criticism of her brand of confrontational politics could well determine her trajectory on the national scene — and it's likely to reveal the scope of her ambitions as well." ...does that make Palin responsible for a mentally unstable persons misinterpretations and decision to murder?
Quote:What I am about to say will neither be easy nor popular. I may very well lose my support base. But it is the right thing to do. When 9/11 happened, our country was united. Americans were traveling across the country, helping other Americans. We put aside our ideas and focused on our actions. We focused on healing from our tremendous, gaping wound. It is very unfortunate that it should take another tragedy to help us see it is time for healing again. Our economy is struggling. Our state budgets are floundering. Our young men and women are sacrificing themselves overseas. Everything from police departments to health care costs to public schools needs desperate attention. We are deeply wounded. But instead of pulling together to heal ourselves, we have been pointing fingers and blaming each other. We have been so passionately indignant that we stopped seeing the good in each other, our fellow Americans. We have descended into venomous outrage and escalated political conflicts for the sake of winning, not for the sake of solving problems. I know, because I was out there throwing stones with the best of them. If I could take back that map with the bullseye marks, I would. I would take it back in a heartbeat. I don't have words to express how deeply I regret my participation in the vitriol. I did not realize this until Representative Giffords was shot by a very disturbed young man. Whether he was influenced by my map or rhetoric, I may never know. What I do know is, I am a public figure. I should have known better than to behave like a schoolyard bully, adding fuel to a climate of hatred and violence, when I should have done the opposite. I failed in my civic responsibility to use my public voice for good instead of evil. I know that sounds corny, but there it is. If I were a real leader, a good leader, I should have set an example of reconciliation and solution. Put the needs of the country above my own political ideology. I had an opportunity to help calm down those who don't know other alternatives than violence, and I squandered it. To the victims and the families of the victims of Sunday's shooting, I want to say I am so sorry. I am sorry for the part I played in creating tension and hopelessness when I should have been creating alliances and hope. I am sorry I divided when I should have united. I am sorry I damaged when I should have healed. To my colleagues I say this. It is time to stop being angry. As hard as it is, it is time to forgive and talk about what we can do together rather than what we can do if only the other people weren't there. This may be self-serving, because one of the first people I hope you will forgive is me. Let's remember those days when we pulled together after 9/11, and make them happen again. I know we can.
Monday, January 10, 2011 1:19 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:A day after two Virginia Tea Party activists posted the address of the brother of a congressman who voted for the bill, authorities discovered that someone had severed a gas line at the man's home. Coleman, upon learning he had posted the wrong address, said on a blog: "Do you mean I posted his brother's address on my Facebook? Oh well, collateral damage."
Quote:Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) received death threats and Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) received a message saying snipers were being deployed to kill children of those who voted for health care overhaul.
Quote:Windows have been smashed at Democratic offices in at least three states. Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-New York, confirmed Thursday that his district office in Queens received an envelope containing white powder and a threatening letter. He’s also received anti-Semitic notes, including swastikas.
Quote:House Democratic Majority Whip James Clyburn, who is African-American, said he has received a fax in his office with a picture of a noose drawn on it and had threatening telephone calls at his home.
Quote: This afternoon on the Senate floor, Senator John Cornyn gave an astounding account of the recent spate of violence against judges, suggesting that the crimes could be attributed to the fact that judges are "unaccountable" to the public.Quote:SENATOR JOHN CORNYN: "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. Certainly nothing new, but we seem to have run through a spate of courthouse violence recently that's been on the news and I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters on some occasions where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in - engage in violence." [Senate Floor, 4/4/05]As the New York Times editorially opines today, "when a second important Republican stands up and excuses murderous violence against judges as an understandable reaction to their decisions, then it is time to get really scared."
Quote:SENATOR JOHN CORNYN: "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. Certainly nothing new, but we seem to have run through a spate of courthouse violence recently that's been on the news and I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters on some occasions where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in - engage in violence." [Senate Floor, 4/4/05]
Quote: As lawmakers debated their way to a vote on the legislation, dozens of GOP lawmakers walked from the chamber, crossed the Speaker's Lobby, stepped out onto the members-only House balcony -- and proceeded to incite an unruly crowd. Thousands of conservative "tea party" activists had massed on the south side of the Capitol, pushing to within about 50 feet of the building. Some Democrats worried aloud about the risk of violence, and police tried to keep the crowd away from the building. But rather than calm the demonstrators, Republican congressmen whipped the masses into a frenzy.
Quote: In a town where politics never rests, the shooting of U.S. congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords quickly opened a sharp divide on the role of inflamed rhetoric in the assault and on the proper response to its growth. The Arizona attack ignited a flood of finger-pointing and pontificating on the sometimes overheated state of U.S. political discourse, even as politicians largely vowed at least a temporary halt to the battle of words in Washington.
Monday, January 10, 2011 1:44 PM
BYTEMITE
Quote:"I hate war. Our children will not have peace if politicos just capitalize on this to succeed in portraying anyone as inciting terror and violence."
Monday, January 10, 2011 1:50 PM
KANEMAN
Monday, January 10, 2011 3:02 PM
Quote:This is probably the closest thing we’ll get to hear from Sarah Palin this soon on this weekend’s unfortunate events. Glenn Beck reads part of an email from Sarah Palin to him. Here is how she replied to him (according to Beck):Quote:I hate violence. I hate war. Our children will not have peace if politicos just capitalize on this to succeed in portraying anyone as inciting terror and violence. Thanks for all you do to send the message of truth and love and God as the answer. -Sarah
Quote:I hate violence. I hate war. Our children will not have peace if politicos just capitalize on this to succeed in portraying anyone as inciting terror and violence. Thanks for all you do to send the message of truth and love and God as the answer. -Sarah
Quote:Until Monday Palin stayed out of the political conversation over the shooting, referencing the attack only in a short Facebook post offering condolences. That post has garnered almost 10,000 comments. On Sunday, Facebook marketing director Randi Zuckerberg said the top question on the site that day was "Is Sarah Palin to blame?" However, Palin's staff was reacting. Her Web site featuring a map showing Giffords in crosshairs was taken off the internet. Aide Rebecca Mansour went on the radio to defend that campaign, arguing that the crosshairs were "surveyor's symbols."
Monday, January 10, 2011 3:15 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
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