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A Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the top US Federal Judge for the State of Arizona was assassinated barely 72-hours after he made a critical ruling against the Obama administrations plan to begin the confiscation of their citizen’s private retirement and banking accounts in order to stave off their nations imminent economic collapse, and after having the US Marshals protecting him removed.

According to this SVR report, Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll was the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Arizona who this past Friday issued what is called a “preliminary ruling” in a case titled “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” [Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] wherein he stated he was preparing to rule against Obama’s power to seize American citizens money without clear and convincing evidence of a crime being committed.

The case being ruled on by Judge Roll, this report continues, was about bulk cash smuggling into or out of the United States that the Obama administration claimed was their right to seize under what are called Presidential Executive Orders, instead of using existing laws. The Obama administration used as support for their claim before Judge Roll, the SVR says, the seizing of all American citizens’ gold, in 1933, by President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s signing of Executive Order 6102, which was ruled at the time to be constitutional.

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In 2009, Judge Roll faced death threats after presiding over a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher. After Judge Roll ruled that the case would be certified, threats came from talk-radio shows which fueled controversy and spurred audiences into making threats against the judge.

After one radio talk show, Judge Roll's name logged more than 200 phone calls as some callers threatened the judge and his family. This resulted in the judge and his wife being placed under a full-time protective detail for one month. A US Attorney's investigation identified four men as the makers of the threats, but no charges were filed.

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She was the first shot - in the back of the head at point blank range. After that Loughner went down the line shooting one by one as he went. There are many witnesses to this sequence of events. It really does seem like Giffords was the target, and everyone else was just a target of opportunity.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

This nut was stalking her before the TEA Party even existed.

He's a nut.

Anyone who tries to spin it that he's in any way a 'right winger', is themselves, a nut. Just like him.


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WWW.THEPOWERHOUR.COM RADIO MONDAY – JANUARY 10 – DOUBLE FEATURE:

Hour 1 http://archives2011.gcnlive.com/Archives2011/jan11/PowerHour/0110111.m
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Federal judge appoints lawyer for shooter Jared Laughner, same lawyer for SSgt Tim "I Have A Microchip In My Ass" McVeigh the MKULTRA mind control patsy in the Fed Govt's bombing of the OKC Fed building killing little children, same lawyer for Unabomber Ted Kaczynski the admitted MKULTRA mind control lab rat, lawyer for CIA MKULTRA Al Qaeda patsy Zacarias Moussaoui.

Ex cop George Freund joins TPH during the 1st hour to give his thoughts on the latest shootings in Arizona. Listen to George every Thursday at 8:00pm live on www.ThatChannel.com : The truly beautiful people get their news from alternative sources. Put something wild into your evening news with Conspiracy Cafe.

Listen to host George Freund's Podcast: http://thatradio.podhoster.com/index.php?sid=1746

Hour 2 http://archives2011.gcnlive.com/Archives2011/jan11/PowerHour/0110112.m
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ATTORNEY KURT HASKELL provides an update since originally reporting on his eye-witness account of the now infamous ‘Underwear Bomber’ incident, where governmental agencies ordered the airline to allow the bomber on the airliner, without a passport and bypassing the naked body scanner. The US State Dept later admitted it was ordered by an unnamed US Govt agency to put the bomber on the plane.

“Today is the second worst day of my life after 12-25-09. Today is the day that I realized that my own country is lying to me and all of my fellow Americans.”

Let me explain: [The truth being more than one person was involved and the authorities refusing to answer the key question as to why particular individuals are not screened by Customs agents - - - and in this case, why the actual Underwear Bomber went suspiciously unscreened!]
Website: http://www.HaskellLawFirm.com
Latest Story--By Kurt Haskell; January 1, 2011: The Man In Orange and the Merry Go Round of Ron Smith/U.S. Customs
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The Unabomber a Harvard MKULTRA Victim

In his first week, at the tender age of 16, the real Manchurian Candidate met with his soon to be controller, Dr Henry A Murray.

Ted would become one of many children indoctrinated, set-up and tormented by the "secret" CIA Mind Control program. Dr. Murray helped found the Boston Psychoanalytic Society, led the Harvard Psychological Clinic, selected agents for the Office of Strategic Services during World War II.

Dr. Murray would become world famous in 1967 as the CIA psychologist who slipped a colleague LSD. The colleague then took the magical mystery tour out the window of a New York Hotel, landing in front of horrified guests head-first on the sidewalk 14 floors below. It was the first, and worst, public exposure of the 7 billion dollar budgeted MKUltra Mind Control program in which Dr Murray worked.

But in 1959 Murray sat in an office at Harvard University in the early fall interviewing a promising prospect. From the Midwest, socially awkward, sexually repressed, incredibly brilliant...a mathematics prodigy. Murray must have liked the first test results on the very young prospect because he code named the 16 year old "Lawful". In Mind Control parlance the rough equivalent of "Perfect". Murray would meet with Ted regularly for the next three years until the records purge of MKultra in 1962 when the agency attempted to destroy all references and records related to the program.

David Kaczynski reveals the MK-ULTRA-CIA mind control program that brother Theodore Kaczynski (dubbed the Unabomber by the FBI) was unwittingly a part of for three years at Harvard, and then at the University of Michigan and probably U.C. Stanford. In recalling some of the details of his brother’s involvement in the covert behavior modification program, David Kaczynski says of his older brother, “In a sense, he wasn’t paranoid; he was in a sense conspired against.”

Here was a chance to ask David Kaczynski about his brilliant, eccentric, loving older brother, and what the U.S. government may have done to him and with him.

You know, Mom had remembered it because since Ted was only 17* when he went into this research project, parental consent was needed, and Mom remembered getting a form, you know, Harvard College, asking for her permission for Ted to be in this study and Mom said, ‘Gee, I thought Ted’s…. You know, he’s socially awkward, he doesn’t fit in very well. Maybe being exposed to psychologists could be very helpful to him. Well, little did she know that this study wasn’t conducted with his benefit in mind.

How knowledgeable was Ted’s defense team about MKULTRA?

David Kaczynski: The defense apparently put a lot of research into this. It was going to be at least one of their arguments for mitigation that Ted had been seriously abused in this…. this research program that might have even been funded by the federal government. It was hard to get research, hard to make the connection fully. They [Ted Kaczynski’s legal team] found that numbers of the records had actually been destroyed – not for confidentiality reasons, or something. It was destroyed because there was a congressional investigation of the MKULTRA program and the then director really, uh, in contempt of Congress, destroyed many of the records of that program. They did eventually get to look at some of Murray’s private research papers. That was where some of these transcripts were found. They also were able to track down just a couple of other participants in the study, one of which was, by the way, working at Las Alamos making big bombs. A weird irony of the whole thing.

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151. The social disruption that we see today is certainly not the result of mere chance. It can only be a result fo the conditions of life that the system imposes on people. (We have argued that the most important of these conditions is disruption of the power process.) If the systems succeeds in imposing sufficient control over human behavior to assure itw own survival, a new watershed in human history will have passed. Whereas formerly the limits of human endurance have imposed limits on the development of societies (as we explained in
paragraphs 143, 144), industrial-technological society will be able to pass those limits by modifying human beings, whether by psychological methods or biological methods or both. In the future, social systems will not be adjusted to suit the needs of human beings. Instead, human being will be adjusted to suit the needs of the system.

[27] 152. Generally speaking, technological control over human behavior will probably not be introduced with a totalitarian intention or even through a conscious desire to restrict human freedom. [28] Each new step in the assertion of control over the human mind will be taken as a rational response to a problem that faces society, such as curing alcoholism, reducing the crime rate or inducing young people to study science and engineering. In many cases, there will be humanitarian justification. For example, when a psychiatrist prescribes an anti-depressant for a depressed patient, he is clearly doing that individual a favor. It would be inhumane to withhold the drug from someone who needs it. When parents send their children to Sylvan Learning Centers to have them manipulated into becoming enthusiastic about their studies, they do so from concern for their children's welfare. It may be that some of these parents wish that one didn't have to have specialized training to get a job and that their kid didn't have to be brainwashed into becoming a computer nerd. But what can they do? They can't change society, and their child may be unemployable if he doesn't have certain skills. So they send him to Sylvan.

153. Thus control over human behavior will be introduced not by a calculated decision of the authorities but through a process of social evolution (RAPID evolution, however). The process will be impossible to resist, because each advance, considered by itself, will appear to be beneficial, or at least the evil involved in making the advance will appear to be beneficial, or at least the evil involved in making the advance will seem to be less than that which would result from not making it (see paragraph 127). Propaganda for example is used for many good purposes, such as discouraging child abuse or race hatred. [14] Sex education is obviously useful, yet the effect of sex education (to the extent that it is successful) is to take the shaping of sexual attitudes away from the family and put it into the hands of the state as represented by the public school system.

154. Suppose a biological trait is discovered that increases the likelihood that a child will grow up to be a criminal and suppose some sort of gene therapy can remove this trait. [29] Of course most parents whose children possess the trait will have them undergo the therapy. It would be inhumane to do otherwise, since the child would probably have a miserable life if he grew up to be a criminal. But many or most primitive societies have a low crime rate in comparison with that of our society, even though they have neither high-tech methods of child-rearing nor harsh systems of punishment. Since there is no reason to suppose that more modern men than primitive men have innate predatory tendencies, the high crime rate of our society must be due to the pressures that modern conditions put on people, to which many cannot or will not adjust. Thus a treatment designed to remove potential criminal tendencies is at least in part a way of re-engineering people so that they suit the requirements of the system.

155. Our society tends to regard as a "sickness" any mode of thought or behavior that is inconvenient for the system, and this is plausible because when an individual doesn't fit into the system it causes pain to the individual as well as problems for the system. Thus the manipulation of an individual to adjust him to the system is seen as a "cure" for a "sickness" and therefore as good.

156. In paragraph 127 we pointed out that if the use of a new item of technology is INITIALLY optional, it does not necessarily REMAIN optional, because the new technology tends to change society in such a way that it becomes difficult or impossible for an individual to function without using that technology. This applies also to the technology of human behavior. In a world in which most children are put through a program to make them enthusiastic about studying, a parent will almost be forced to put his kid through such a program, because if he does not, then the kid will grow up to be, comparatively speaking, an ignoramus and therefore unemployable. Or suppose a biological treatment is discovered that, without undesirable side-effects, will greatly reduce the psychological stress from which so many people suffer in our society. If large numbers of people choose to undergo the treatment, then the general level of stress in society will be reduced, so that it will be possible for the system to increase the stress-producing pressures. In fact, something like this seems to have happened already with one of our society's most important psychological tools for enabling people to reduce (or at least temporarily escape from) stress, namely, mass entertainment (see paragraph 147). Our use of mass entertainment is "optional": No law requires us to watch television, listen to the radio, read magazines. Yet mass entertainment is a means of escape and stress-reduction on which most of us have become dependent. Everyone complains about the trashiness of television, but almost everyone watches it. A few have kicked the TV habit, but it would be a rare person who could get along today without using ANY form of mass entertainment. (Yet until quite recently in human history most people got along very nicely with no other entertainment than that which each local community created for itself.) Without the entertainment industry the system probably would not have been able to get away with putting as much stress-producing pressure on us as it does.

157. Assuming that industrial society survives, it is likely that technology will eventually acquire something approaching complete control over human behavior. It has been established beyond any rational doubt that human thought and behavior have a largely biological basis. As experimenters have demonstrated, feelings such as hunger, pleasure, anger and fear can be turned on and off by electrical stimulation of appropriate parts of the brain. Memories can be destroyed by damaging parts of the brain or they can be brought to the surface by electrical stimulation. Hallucinations can be induced or moods changed by drugs. There may or may not be an immaterial human soul, but if there is one it clearly is less powerful that the biological mechanisms of human behavior. For if that were not the case then researchers would not be able so easily to manipulate human feelings and behavior with drugs and electrical currents.

158. It presumably would be impractical for all people to have electrodes inserted in their heads so that they could be controlled by the authorities. But the fact that human thoughts and feelings are so open to biological intervention shows that the problem of controlling human behavior is mainly a technical problem; a problem of neurons, hormones and complex molecules; the kind of problem that is accessible to scientific attack. Given the outstanding record of our society in solving technical problems, it is overwhelmingly probable that great advances will be made in the control of human behavior.

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"Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That’s all. I’m a proud gay. I had favorite books: The Communist Manifesto."
-Jared Lee Loughner (or his sockpuppet)
www.businessinsider.com/jared-lee-loughner-2011-1

“Good luck to you, Mr. Loughner."
-U.S. Magistrate Lawrence Anderson

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
-Dictator Hussein Obama Soetoro
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Obama_brings_a_gun_to_a_kn
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Originally posted by 1kiki in the original thread:
"... nowhere does it say he was receiving professional mental health treatment." That's true - IN GENERAL we have many, many clinically insane people who never see a professional. It in part is due to Ronald Reagan's push to 'de-institutionalize' the insane and close state-run hospitals where many resided, a step he promised would reintegrate them into the community, and where close-to-home treatment would be provided. Except that the promised close-to-home treatment never happened. Oops. It is also due to a 1977 Supreme Court ruling which ruled for a maximum 3-day involuntary hold for evaluation only. But see below ...

"Nothing in the published reports I have read would have disqualified him from purchasing a pistol, rifle or shotgun." Except, oddly Arizona which does allow involuntary institutionalization for drug problems. That would definitely have landed him in the system, on the books, and denied guns.

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"Regarding convicted criminals; until 1968 they were allowed to purchase and own firearms. Why are they allowed on the street if they cannot be trusted with firearms?" And why are they denied other 'rights' as well? B/c apparently, this TYPE of post-release restriction is quite common, maybe even in your state:

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"There are both civil and criminal consequences to felony convictions. On the criminal side, you can be sentenced to jail or probation and/or fined. On the civil side, you may lose the right to vote, become ineligible to sit on a jury, hold elected office and/or possess a firearm. Civil consequences may last far longer than the criminal punishment."

And as of now - that's the way things are and is the sum of the argument - unless you are going to argue people break the law en masse ...

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"And until 1968 any school child in America could order a rifle, shotgun or pistol through the mail." Same argument - today, it's against the law.

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But you have a major problem with your logic if you are trying to argue unfettered, unrestricted access to all arms as a right - I could argue that an infant should be allowed to have a button to launch a nuclear bomb as a teething toy. Taken to extreme yours is an untenable position.

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Where to begin? Hmm, after laying the blame at Reagan's feet you find the actual attribution, a 1977 court ruling (Which would lay the "blame" at the feet of Carter) yet you don't go back and correct your statement. Hmm, trolling behavior number 1.

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Hmm, conflating two seperate but related points (which were clearly presented as seperate) as if they were the same in order to discredit them - which trolling behavior is that now?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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That's exactly my point about demagoguery.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Demagogy

"strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public."

A tragedy happens and what do we do? We exploit it for negative campaigning against our competing political party. We blame the demogoguery that fanned hatred and vitriol before the tragedy, by using demogoguery AGAIN.

Six people are dead. DEAD. Have some respect. This is NOT a political opportunity, guys.



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Hmm, conflating two seperate but related points (which were clearly presented as seperate) as if they were the same in order to discredit them - which trolling behavior is that now?

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Hmm, conflating two seperate but related points (which were clearly presented as seperate) as if they were the same in order to discredit them - which trolling behavior is that now?

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Yes... I uh... "strick".... moron.

Nice to see you come to the defense of any poorly thought out response, though. We can always count on you to be wrong.

Well, it's true.

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Yes... I uh... "strick".... moron.

Nice to see you come to the defense of any poorly thought out response, though. We can always count on you to be wrong.

Well, it's true.

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Yes... I uh... "strick".... moron.

Nice to see you come to the defense of any poorly thought out response, though. We can always count on you to be wrong.

Well, it's true.

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Alleged Arizona shooter Jared Lee Loughner has Jewish mother, acquaintance says

An acquaintance of Jared Lee Loughner, the accused gunman in the shooting of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, says his mother is Jewish.

Bryce Tierney, a friend of Loughner from high school, told Mother Jones magazine that the alleged gunman posted “Mein Kampf” as a “favorite book” on a social media site in part to provoke his mother, who Tierney says is Jewish.

Amy Loughner’s maiden name is Totman, according to Arizona public records, and she married Randy Loughner in 1986. Totman is a common old English name and JTA could not uncover any record of Jewish affiliation for the family. Jewish Tucsonians said they were unaware of the family.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/arizona_shooting/article/alleged_arizona_
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Is Loughner’s mother Jewish?

JTA Jewish News Service
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There's a lot of buzz about the parents of Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged shooter in the attack Saturday that critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and killed six people in an attack in Tucson.

More precisely, there's a lot of buzz about who these parents are -- we've heard about Loughner's allegedly untoward behavior at a community college, what high school acquaintances have said -- but the New York Times, for instance, shunts until the very end of its profile today what it knows about Randy and Amy Loughner: Randy Loughner was an unpleasant neighbor.

There's not much more, beyond their silence.

Now we get this from Mother Jones. Nick Baumann interviews Bryce Tierney, a friend of Jared's who recalls the alleged shooter's first encounter with Giffords, in 2007 -- and then explains why Jared might have listed Mein Kampf as a "favorite book":

Tierney believes that Loughner was very interested in pushing people's buttons—and that may have been why he listed Hitler's Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books on his YouTube page. (Loughner's mom is Jewish, according to Tierney.)

UPDATE: Amy Joanne Totman and Randy Loughner were married on April 24, 1986 in Pima County -- or perhaps that's the day they got their license, Arizona state records show. No judge is listed -- perhaps suggesting they were married by clergy? I'm not so well versed in these matters.

In any case, Totman is an old English name, and seems fairly common. I'm not seeing any connection, except for what Tierney thinks he remembers -- and even if he remembers correctly, his informant was likely Jared, who may be less than reliable.

http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2011/01/10/2742483/is-loughners-
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10shooter.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1&
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http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voic
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The sovereign citizen movement is a loose network of American litigants, commentators and financial scheme promoters. Self-described "sovereign citizens" believe that they are answerable only to English common law and are not subject to any statutes or proceedings at the federal government|federal, state or municipal levels. They especially reject most forms of taxation as illegitimate.[1] The litigants advance this concept in opposition to "federal citizens", who, they believe, have unknowingly forfeited their rights by accepting some aspect of federal law.[2]

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The Japanese Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare defines hikikomori as people who refuse to leave their house, and isolate themselves from society in their homes for a period exceeding six months.[1] While the degree of the phenomenon varies on an individual basis, in the most extreme cases, some people remain in isolation for years or even decades. Often hikikomori start out as school refusals, or futōkō (不登校) in Japanese (an older term is tōkōkyohi (登校拒否)).

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