Sharing Music: Volume 3 by PhoenixRose

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Sharing Music: Volume 3

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UPDATED: Thursday, January 20, 2011 03:15
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Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:06 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

In sympathy to those on the machines that crash when confronted with so many videos, and seeing that the last thread has 60+ posts and most of them have videos in them, I thought I should maybe start a new one. The two coming before can be found here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=47153 and here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=47107 if anyone missed the great music posted there.

And there was some mention of odd covers in the last thread:

(Heard this initially in a Firefly fanvid, actually. Luv eet.)

I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.

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Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:09 AM

DREAMTROVE

Thank god.I was hoping someone would. I cant add right now because I'm at my sisters, and no YouTube URL copying on iPad. I'll post when i get back.

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Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:13 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Glad I could help

iPad seems to have some odd restrictions. I still want one, though.

I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.

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Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:21 AM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.

Facts are stubborn things.

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Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:36 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER

Some funnies.

Now, to be fair, not all those songs are 4 chord songs, they sing the parts of many songs that fit the 4 chords at the time, but in general, popular songs do stick with those chords most the time. Axis of Awesome sticks to I - V - vi - IV and a few times vi - IV - I - V.

The Pachelbel rant also illustrates this. Pachelbel's canon is essentially a giant continuous progression, specifically "I V vi iii IV I IV V" a variant of a circle progression (I-IV-vii-iii-vi-ii-V-I). The circle progression is often shortened and/or modified for pop music, as we've seen in 4 chord song. The most import part is basically the V-I at the end.

EDIT: There is an understood 'I' at the end of each progression, you typically end the song and many phrases of it on the tonic (I).

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Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:07 AM

KANEMAN

Been done by everyone...however 1949 version the best.

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Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:46 PM

PENGUIN

REM

Great music.

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Sunday, January 16, 2011 6:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Some funnies.

Now, to be fair, not all those songs are 4 chord songs, they sing the parts of many songs that fit the 4 chords at the time, but in general, popular songs do stick with those chords most the time. Axis of Awesome sticks to I - V - vi - IV and a few times vi - IV - I - V.

The Pachelbel rant also illustrates this. Pachelbel's canon is essentially a giant continuous progression, specifically "I V vi iii IV I IV V" a variant of a circle progression (I-IV-vii-iii-vi-ii-V-I). The circle progression is often shortened and/or modified for pop music, as we've seen in 4 chord song. The most import part is basically the V-I at the end.

EDIT: There is an understood 'I' at the end of each progression, you typically end the song and many phrases of it on the tonic (I).

Happy, he leaves out some of my faves, but I love his Pachelbel rant. I hear Canon in so many songs it's not funny.

"Tomorrow, Wendy" by Concrete Blonde

"I Fall With Your Knife" by Peter Murphy

Okay, and apropos of nothing, but just because something about this one reminds me of The Band (maybe because it just has the feeling of a gool ol' barn-stomp and reminds me of "The Night They Drove Ol' Dixie Down"), I present The Band of Horses doing "The General Specific":

This Space For Rent!

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Sunday, January 16, 2011 6:32 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.

Facts are stubborn things.

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Monday, January 17, 2011 12:19 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

Feeling a little old school today. This one's from 1600 (1596 if you count the instrumental version the song is based on)

There's also a recording of this song by Sting I think, which in a way is almost more authentic, because at the time these pieces were current, they were sang by amateurs and not classically trained western singers. That's no offense on sting, I rather like his voice, just saying the 'untrained' (in the classical western sense) makes it more natural or human.

Can't find a Sting recording of this song, but here he is performing another of John Dowland's songs.

My music history is a little weaker on this next one, but I believe Karl Jenkins based it off of Guillaume Dufay's version of l'homme arme (the armed man). Another interesting modern take on old piece of music.

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Monday, January 17, 2011 12:23 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Keeping the beauty of fatherland.
Fighting against the enemy:
...Pay attention, pay attention,
Pay attention, pay attention!

If you believe in yourself,
In opinions of the wise,
In shoulders of the strong,
In mightiness of the elders,
In nimbleness of young men,
In sisters, brothers,
Above all in yourself,
Then you get better life.

If you believe the talk of the wolf,
Fear the yelps of the dogs,
Hear the curses of the masters,
Complains of the underlings,
Bitings of the greedy,
Admonishments of the low ones,
Scolds of the blind,
Then you get nothing.

If you sink into lies,
Stooping into dreams,
On all fours under the order,
Bowing under the rouble,
Then you get fleas in groin,
Itches in your heart,
Halters on your head, bones in your stomach,
Then you go to hell.

If you believe in yourself,
Then you believe in the folk,
In the farms, in the wiseness,
In the teaching, in the rights,
In the birch grove of home place,
In the swallow by the clouds,
Then you get mighty spirit,
Then you get better life.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Monday, January 17, 2011 12:31 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Both the Nazis AND the Russians tried to conquor Estonia.

But they fought off both of them.

:)

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Monday, January 17, 2011 2:06 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Just in case anyone needed more proof that Neil Patrick Harris could sing

I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.

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Monday, January 17, 2011 4:06 PM

PRETTYXPISTOL

[Inara: It's all right. I mostly keep to myself. When I'm not whoring.]

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Monday, January 17, 2011 5:06 PM

TRAVELER

Another duet.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:02 PM

DREAMTROVE

And here I was feeling good about myself for recognizing spoken, err, sung, Estonian.

ETA

I figured there was an injunction against posting more Nightwish, those I have some in Finnish and in Saami. So I posted this instead.

Happy,

The Axis of Awesome. I knew that pattern but i hadn't worked it out. I just had the feeling the old 1-4-5 list needed expansion. Also, theres another one, I picked out D minor F C G and then started hearing it everywhere. 1245? Unless there's a relative minor flip I'm missing. DmFGAm? Is that even in a scale? I guess it's in A minor, which my gut is telling me means that DFB should be Bb hence diminished, but then I think I've changed the chord progression. I'm never clear on whether a minor scale has a minor 6th in it or not. I think this one works better if it doesn't.

I posted a song here, but I can't get video on the iPad, and it won't copy YouTube links, a major flaw of having a YouTube app rather than the website.

ETA

PR,

Thanks for that last, the Axis has not stolen your awesome.

CTS,

Been meaning to post some theme music here for you, but again, links not working. I'm really going to have to resurrect a windows machine to get this to work.

ETA

I'm surprised nobody posted this guy.

Winona I haven't seen for a while, and you won't see here here, more elfman, sound is better on my mp3 for some reason

Depp looks better with age

And now to go to far
Just because I this, more elfman

I was going to post something from Run Lola Run, but I'm not sure it stands on its own, even though I have several of these tracks in my mp3 shuffle. So this instead. (argh, this clip is just 5 seconds too short. I couldn't find the rest)

Did anyone see this film?

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Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:29 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

DT,

A 'natural minor' Scale does have a VI (major 6) but when we write music in a minor key, but we usually don't stay natural minor. More than likely, there will be substitutions, things naturally major made minor and vice versa. The most common is the naturally minor v which is almost always made a major V.

If I could look at the piece of music I could tell you exactly what's happening, but then again, if you could look at it I 'spect you could too. In ear training, I've had near flawless rhythmic and melodic dictation. I could hear something and as long as I knew the starting note, I could copy it to paper with one hearing. I'd use the remaing hearings to double check my work. My kryptonite, is hearing chords, specifically 'blocked' chords were all the notes happen at once. This might be because I play melodic instruments (making one sound at a time, not capable of making chords on their own). I never was that great at hearing 'iii6' or 'IV64' etc... Instead, I would have to try and pick out each note one at a time and write them down on paper so I could visually construct the chord.

That's not how we're supposed to do it though, we're supposed to be able to just hear it and know by the color if it's a ii43 or something. In general, it seemed most of us music majors who had to rely on our ears more (French Horn, vocalists) were stronger melodically while those who relied more on finger technique (clarinet, piano) seemed stronger chord wise. The joke was 'singers can't read music, so of course they have a melodic ear.' Horn players don't have much of a stereotype ('sides women liking how we kiss and hold them, There's a bit of a dirty joke if you know enough about how we play our instrument). We defy stereotype because we're all weird, but not consistently. It's like trying to make fun of the Buddhists, there's just not enough of them to figure out what negative things they'll often have in common. I was kind of an extreme, extremely good melodically, and found hearing the chords very difficult.

Popular music is easier and harder for me at the same time. The chords are fewer, but (particularly with guitars) there is often an added 6th interval to he chord which kind of makes it like a 13th chord (ex F,A,C,Eb,G,Bb,D) only there's no 7th, 9th or 11th (making it F,A,C,D).

I guess what I'm saying is, I could figure it out by ear without the music, but it would take me several tries and I'd hate doing it lol. For me, it might be easier for me to transcribe the entire song one line at a time and then look at all the lines to visually find the chords. It's not efficient, but it just seems to be the way I'm wired.

Speaking of my musical training, I feel like reviewing music history in a 9 minute masterpiece.