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Charlie Sheen

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Monday, February 28, 2011 5:04 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Anyone see the interview with him this morning? Whaddya think...raging egomaniacal nutjob or righteously indignant? Two and a Half Men- saw this coming or glad to see it gone?

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Monday, February 28, 2011 5:21 AM

DREAMTROVE


Waiting for PN to say "that's what stoopid goyim get for criticizing Jews" but Carlos is clearly insane. I think he's on drugs.

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Monday, February 28, 2011 1:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Typical drugged up 9/11 Truther.

What was the question again ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, February 28, 2011 3:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, more than just a bit full of himself, isn't he? Reminds me of the Tom Cruise Scientology rant...




Charlie sounds like a paranoid tweaker. Meth is a dangerous drug.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, February 28, 2011 3:41 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Hmmmm, Charlie. Remember him as a hottie in Ferris Bueller. Sad that he's descended into some sort of deluded drug fueled ego maniac. That show would have to be the stupidist, most puerile load of crap on tv. Glad it has been cancelled.

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Monday, February 28, 2011 3:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Well, canceled for the rest of THIS season, anyway. So far, it hasn't been completely canceled outright.

Oddly, it's the number one-rated comedy on TV, according to the ratings. And Charlie is the highest-paid sitcom actor on TV.

Crazy old world...

On the other hand, Charlie's recent travails DO put a whole new subtext into the show. I caught a few minutes of a re-run in syndication this evening while cooking dinner, and there was Charlie, on the stairs, berating his brother, saying, "Don't push me, Alan. Don't do it. I'm *THIS* close to the edge, I swear to god."

And I'm thinking, "Wow. That takes on a whole new meaning today... I don't think that's what they meant when they wrote it!"

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, February 28, 2011 4:12 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

That show would have to be the stupidist, most puerile load of crap on tv. Glad it has been cancelled.



So you agree with Charlie that the jew writers and producers are maggots?

But yeah, the scripts were also as stoopid as humanly possible, to appeal to the stoopid dummed down publick.

I suspect the viewers were all drunk on coke or meth. Hence Charlie's fan base, and his $2M/day paycheck selling the doper life pimpin wit strippers (wives) and hookers (girlfriends).

I wonder how much ABC had to pay him for that interview? $100,000...$1,000,000? That'l buy a lot of hookers!


A Pimp Named Carlos Irwin Estevez

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Monday, February 28, 2011 5:20 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


After 8 years, it's not 2.5 Men, it's 3.0.



Alex Jones, the radio host largely responsible for this week’s Charlie Sheen Warlock Tour media circus, went on The View today to thoroughly piss off four women and prompt the saddest face Barbara Walters has ever made. Jones vehemently corroborated his pal Sheen’s unique worldview and insisted that all of Sheen’s recent gloppy word salads were filled with the truth. “He’s tired of being judged and held up as the ultimate demon of this world,” explained Jones. “He didn’t kill people in Iraq. He’s not responsible for the takedown of [World Trade Center] Building 7…. We’ve got banks bankrupting the United States. He didn’t steal $23.7 trillion.”

“LET’S STAY ON TOPIC,” bellowed Whoopi, but Jones also wanted to keep screaming and inform everyone that “America’s turning into a police state,” that Charlie Sheen is not Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, and that Jones’ website is called www.infowars.com. (Site’s tagline: “BECAUSE THERE IS A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND.”)




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Monday, February 28, 2011 5:30 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Dammit DT, there you went and encouraged him!

There's an aspect to this everyone seems to have missed. When one self-medicates, it's often to avoid difficult emotions. When that person gets clean, all those feelings come to the surface, all the more dramatically for having been repressed for so long. Sheen is dealing with a ton of shit right now--which doesn't make him any less crazy, or deserving of any of the attention he's getting--but there are causes behind people acting badly.

There's also the fact that when one gives up an addiction, the single strongest emotion to come to the surface is usually anger...after all, we want the drug that helped us stuff those emotions, be it cocaine, booze, cigarettes or whatever our "drug of choice". The one time I managed to quit cigs for a few years, I did a lot of reading, and it shocked me, what I learned. So if someone wants more than anything in the world to hide from emotions by going back to whatever drug they self-medicated with, but won't, it's inevitable anger is what comes for some amount of time or other after quitting the drug.

I have no sympathy for Sheen...but I do have a bit of empathy. Someone should have kept him home until he was over the worst of his addiction rather than let him make a fool of himself as he has/is; most likely his behavior will mean the end of his career, and that's a shame for him and his family.

And oh gawd, don't get me started on Cruise. There is NO excuse for him or his mentality except cult brainwashing, and THAT's being kind, in my opinion. My sympathies are 110% with Katie.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Monday, February 28, 2011 6:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Oh goodness, Tom Cruise, ug, he says some pretty uneducated and dumb things. . I don't feel sorry for Katie at all though, she may be younger than him, but she was grown and made the choice to hook up with him and their age difference wasn't too groty as I recall, 16 years or so? Anyways she chose him so I don't feel bad for her.

As for Charly Sheen, we all screw up, actors just screw up in front of the world. Whatever.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 28, 2011 7:05 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Charlie's sounding a bit bipolar to me.




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Monday, February 28, 2011 7:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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So you agree with Charlie that the jew writers and producers are maggots?



It is entirely possible to dislike something without resorting to insults and racial slurs

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Monday, February 28, 2011 8:34 PM

TRAVELER


Edit: I am having a hard time posting. This is my third try.

Charlie is going through withdrawals. His mind is craving a fix and Charlie has probably been sober for about a month. If a person has been self-medicating for years and suddenly stops the brain begins to rebel and you get some strange results. So I am not surprised that Charlie passed the drug tests he was given. If he were on drugs he would be a happy camper. His anger and rants are a symptom of withdrawals. This is why a person needs to go to a real rehab. You need medical help when getting off any addiction.
Since he refuses to listen to anyone who cares about him and he only goes to the media who only care about the rateings his rants are creating I don't see him getting any better.
It is sad to see someone destroy themselves like this. I listened to his rant on the Today show and he has no clue. God help him.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Tuesday, March 1, 2011 4:30 AM

KANEMAN


Martin sheen called me and asked if I'd be his son....I had to tell him I am a black woman from tanzania...poor guy

Kwicko, I formally condemn your mother for not aborting you. Yeah, I'm sure her brother was happy to have a son, but you are inexcusable....

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Tuesday, March 1, 2011 5:45 AM

HARDWARE


I think I saw the same interview done with Charlie Sheen back in the late 80's, early 90's. He was ever so slightly unfocused, changing topics frequently and fueled by rage and a chemical cocktail that defied description.

Poor schmuck. His real drug is success. Every time he has a good professional stretch he goes off the deep end partying.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Tuesday, March 1, 2011 8:27 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Niki:
Dammit DT, there you went and encouraged him!



And he doesn't disappoint

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Tuesday, March 1, 2011 8:52 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I think he's on drugs.



I think he's pretty much made of drugs as this point.

He, rather creepily, agrees.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 1, 2011 12:18 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I kind of took to following Kate and Tom a long time ago, so have noticed articles and stuff as it went along. I do sympathize with her; she’s in a real bind, especially because of the kids. We don’t always know “who” the person is we take for a mate—-I certainly didn’t with Jo!! Once in a marriage, many are reluctant to break up because of the children, especially those who are religious. She’s gone through some pretty tough stuff with that Scientology cult and Tom and all; I don’t know how she does it, but I sympathize. Costs me nothing to feel sad for her; I wish she would get out.

CTTS
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Charlie's sounding a bit bipolar to me.
Yes, certainly the grandiosity and lack of touch with reality, plus his occasional incoherence, look manic. But one can be manic without being bipolar, and I THINK his craziness is more a result of the withdrawals. It takes a lot more to be bipolar, and tho’ I know little about him, I would be hesitant to put a label on him because of recent events alone. Certainly the grandiosity is unquestionable...eep! I’ve seen mania enough times to say yes, I think he is manic. I hope it doesn’t last too long, and isn’t followed by an equally severe depression. If it IS, I hope he gets help. Which I kind of doubt he would, given what he’s expressed about psychology and therapy and all.

“White knuckle” is the worst way to try and get clean; seen that, too. And he’s totally rejecting any other way; that grandiosity is standing in the way, and may well be a subconscious defense against facing reality, I dunno. At least he’s not (yet?) showing signs of psychosis; I hope it never gets that bad. I don’t hold out much hope for him at this point; unless something slaps him “upside the haid”, the way he is now won’t get him anywhere, I believe.
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It is entirely possible to dislike something without resorting to insults and racial slurs
No, dear, for him, it’s not.

DT: Right on.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Tuesday, March 1, 2011 4:43 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Jo was your mate? I thought she was your best friend that you cared for very much and who lived with you and your husband for a while.

But yeah, I think Katie knew about the scientology going into it, so that's why I don't feel sorry for her, the cult police saw it coming a mile away. But I think its nice that you like her and want her to be happy.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, March 1, 2011 4:57 PM

DREAMTROVE


I have to defend CoS as not being a nefarious underworld cult of death, but rather a religion, and organization of priva pet citizens enacting their first amendment rights, and entitled to constitutional protection.

The media, also, should be giving them a little more respect to privacy, since they have been stalking Suri since birrh, enough to give rise to the term suri-stalking, as a meme for child stalking.

Its also frikkin' obvious that the media only opposes Scientology because it disagrees with their pharmaceutical mass drugging of the public, and they attack Katie Holmes by association with Tom Cruise who they attack because of his anti-drug stance.

The media is extremely hypocritically pro-drug. That's maybe why all their major media personas like mr. Estevez are on so many drugs.

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Tuesday, March 1, 2011 7:21 PM

TRAVELER


Charlie looked like he lost weight. People are guessing how long he has to live. Of course he may get help if he ends up in a hospital. I did not watch the 20/20 interview. I am trying to pull away from this train wreck. God bless you Charlie. You need all the help you can grab ahold of.


http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 10:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Its also frikkin' obvious that the media only opposes Scientology because it disagrees with their pharmaceutical mass drugging of the public, and they attack Katie Holmes by association with Tom Cruise who they attack because of his anti-drug stance.
In my opinion, yet another one of your over-generalized theories, DT. The media ONLY opposes Scientology because of that? My gawd, they're the PERFECT candidates for ridicule, or don't you know anything about Scientology? I'm sure you do, as well-informed as you generally are, so how can you believe that their truly insane "theology" isn't quite sufficient to make rational people, much less the media, to find them amazingly nuts?? To make their anti-drug stance the ONLY reason the media goes after them is absurd, in my opinion.

As to your question about Jo Rion, I'll answer it in PM...most of those here already know the story, so it would be repetitive to go into it again.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 11:28 AM

DREAMTROVE


Insane theology? Have you checked out the competition? Open the bible at some point. Sacrifice the blood of a pheasant and sprinkle it around your house in a circle to cure disease. Jon Stewart did a wonderful send up of his own religion recently.

So, yes, I know about the looniness. On the other hand, consider the rest of them. And yeah, obviously I know something about CoS, they're not crazy, a little misguided at times, but I'd pick them over many of the others, but then you know I cast them over for this ☯, not to say I don't still support ✡, a little of †, and nothing against ☪


The mac doesn't tell me what this is ⛦ I see a block. Does anyone see anything else?

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 11:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I see a block too. Nonetheless, I still disagree that the "only" reason the media mocks Scientology is medication use or non-use, and I think the theology of Scientology is a joke (not to say I don't think other religions' theology may be strange) and, to use my own overgeneralization, a scam by Hubbard.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 12:11 PM

DREAMTROVE


Yeah, I grant it's mockable, but figure that most of the time it's being mocked by members of my ancestral religion which, imho, is equally mockable.

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 12:39 PM

BYTEMITE


Scam?

Don't a lot of religions have something called tithing, and organization in levels that looks a lot like a pyramid scheme? Back room politics to decide who wears the nicest funny hat?

I fail to see the difference between scientology and a number of other religions on the grounds that scientology is somehow sillier or more of a rip-off. There's people out there trying to buy their way into heaven, a place that politely might not exist, and impolitely I think is a fairytale. Stones in a glass house. None of it is logical.

That does not mean I think anyone should be singled out or mocked for their beliefs, or worse, discriminated against. They're free to practice just as anyone else is.

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 3:26 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Scientologists, like anyone, should be able to practice their religeon as they choose, as long as no one is being physically hurt etc. in the process. I agree that its easy to view scientology as silly, mostly because its new, only rich celebs seem to practice it and it was conceived by someone who from what I heard wrote the book as an experiment just to see who'd go for it. So yeah, there are lots of things about it that are pretty easy to mock, but people need to have the right to practice it if they want. On that note, I guess anyone could make up a religeon and someone would go for it, even if it was brand new, no one had come up with it before etc.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 4:07 PM

DREAMTROVE


Riona,

Well said, that was pretty much on target. One of my better psychiatrists said that he had tried some of their methods, and he thought they did work, for mental illness, but I haven't tried them. I know that there were some disastrous cases where they didn't work, but I also know of many from mainstream medicine, even from my own experience. There are a lot of people who have had mental problems who become scientologists, also, a lot of scientists do. The reason I know about it is that scientologists buy books, and i have a bookstore. I had an email correspondence for a while with the head of CoS, so, Niki was right, I knew more than I was letting on, but I'm not a member. They did ask me to join, but then again, so did the mormons. I'm happy where I am, faithwise for the moment.

But, yes, the underlying ideas of scientology are sound, though, so even though it was just a "let's create a religion" challenge, it wasn't really quite like Church of Bob or the FSM Vaganza.

And, why not? I mean, who says the great spiritual truths were only available to those who lived 2000 years ago? Maybe someone will discover some tomorrow.

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 4:36 PM

BYTEMITE


Mormons ask everyone to join. It's a rather bizarre culture to behold, but on the other hand, they do genuinely seem to care about other members of their church, so I can't fault them.

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 5:46 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Yes Mormons care about each other ... until someone does something they don't like then its ex communication for them. And not only ex communication from their local church, but ex communication from all Mormon churches. Church discipline on that level scares me.

The truth is that my best friend and I love making of scientology and I'm not going to pretend I don't. But regardless of what I think they are people and have right to practice as they see fit. But yeah, they do some pretty funny things.

Maybe Charley Sheen will get into a good program to help him with his addictions, we'll see. Sometimes people turn to street drugs as self medicating, like if they have a mental illness and discover that if they get plastered it makes the pain go away for a while. So then when they get clean and sober they have to face the underlying problem that got them here in the first place. Of course not everyone who abuses street drugs starts out with a mental illness, I'm sure plenty of them just start using because of stress or peer pressure or any number of reasons. So whether Charley actually has a mental illness of any kind, whether it be something he's had a for a long time or whether its something that he had a genetic disposition for but it didn't come out until substances were introduced, remains to be seen. I suppose it really isn't my problem. But I do wish him well as I wish all people well, but I don't have any vested interest in him personally.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 5:48 PM

BYTEMITE


"Yes Mormons care about each other ... until someone does something they don't like then its ex communication for them. And not only ex communication from their local church, but ex communication from all Mormon churches. Church discipline on that level scares me. "

True. Among other things.

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 7:54 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Alex Jones, whose interview of Charlie started this firestorm last week, is today featured in 8 pages of Rolling Stone. Never mind that Jered Loughner was a jewish demorat commie who mommy works for the cops who shot Giffords for not being jewish or liberal enough.

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The Alex Jones Show, a daily talk show that airs on 63 stations nationwide. Jones draws a bigger audience online than Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck combined.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/talk-radios-alex-jones-the-m
ost-paranoid-man-in-america-20110302?page=1

http://www.infowars.com/rolling-stone-on-alex-jones-most-paranoid-man-
in-america
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As for Charlie, the Child Kidnapping Services stoel his 2 kids today, and gave partial custody to his hooker ex-wife currently locked in the loonybin rehab. Charlie's crime...sobriety.

The disinfobabes are havin a turkey shoot, between snortin lines o coke.

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A coven of real-life warlocks are BOILING at Charlie Sheen -- claiming the actor's constant use of the W-word is disrespectful to the entire male-witch community ... TMZ has learned.

After Sheen declared himself a "Vatican assassin warlock" during a radio interview last week ... an actual, practicing warlock from Salem's Coven of the Raven Moon in Salem, Massachusetts told us he's "fuming" over the statement because it's a "blatant offense against our ways."

The warlock -- named Christian Day (pictured above) -- tells us he plans to take action against the actor ... not legal action -- but magical action.

Day explains, "I am going to magically bind Mr. Sheen, not to harm him, but to simply prevent him from using this word in such a negative manner in the future."

http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/02/charlie-sheen-offends-warlocks-christian
-day-coven-fuming-magically-bind-sunday-warrior-magic-salem-raven-moon
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The desperate jews who perped 9/11 are targeting Truthers.

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Brooke Mueller didn't send the anti-Semitic text on Charlie Sheen's phone to herself says Paris Hilton
http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/02/brooke-mueller-charlie-sheen-anti-semiti
c-text-mark-burg-paris-hilton-reality-show
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Mrs ex Charlie Sheen Claims Charlie Sheen Sent Anti-Semitic Text
The text was quoted in Brooke's declaration in support of her request for a restraining order.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/28/charlie-sheen-kids-taken-away-custody-br
ooke-mueller-nanny-restraining-order-mark-berg-anti-semitic
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Mark Burg tells TMZ, "Charlie Sheen's ex-publicist, Stan Rosenfield, is Jewish. Charlie Sheen's entertainment attorney, Jake Bloom, is Jewish. Charlie Sheen's litigation attorney, Marty Singer, is Jewish. Charlie Sheen's divorce attorney, Mark Gross, is Jewish. I've known him for 13 years. I don't believe that he actually sent that text." And Burg adds, "For the record, since Brooke Mueller is Jewish that would make Charlie Sheen's two sons also Jewish."

TMZ has obtained the restraining order Brooke Mueller got against Charlie Sheen ... which led to his children being removed last night -- among the most incendiary allegations ... that he wanted some of his associates killed.

According to the docs, Charlie allegedly told Brooke he wanted her to give him back $20,000 a month in child support payments -- "untraceable cash to knock off a few people because the people I hate violently are going to get severely punished."

As for Charlie threatening to cut Brooke's head off and put it in a box -- something we reported last night -- Charlie allegedly said, "If you are having this conversation taped, then consider it done.

Brooke also claims -- referring to the Aspen blowout in December, 2009, which led to the domestic violence case against Charlie -- "I should have killed you when I had the chance!"

"I must execute mark b like the stoopid jew pig that he is."
-Mrs ex Charlie Sheen

Brooke says while they were in the Bahamas last week, Charlie blurted out, "I'm untouchable! I'm Charlie Sheen! I'm more famous than Obama!"

http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/02/charlie-sheen-restraining-order-document
s-brooke-mueller-child-custody-twins-bob-max-drugs-rehab-treatment
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Just say NO to Obama's coke.

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"Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead. That's where I'd been headed. You ain't my bitch nigger, git your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father, MP3:
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/


Obama's in charge of growing Earth's opium supply, so he gets the best shit


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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 8:00 PM

BYTEMITE


A warlock is not a male witch. They can be male or female, and were considered traitors practicing a particularly nasty brand of the dark arts. In fact, the word means "traitor."

The male form of witch is "wizard."

It's become popular terminology nowadays, but them getting the etymology wrong just kinda bugs me.


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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 8:19 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Raven Moon is a way too cool name for a coven, I'm hereby stealing it for future use elsewhere. :)c

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 9:31 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
A warlock is not a male witch. They can be male or female, and were considered traitors practicing a particularly nasty brand of the dark arts. In fact, the word means "traitor."

The male form of witch is "wizard."

It's become popular terminology nowadays, but them getting the etymology wrong just kinda bugs me.


Oh don't even get me started, I'm WORSE, lol.

Being a traitor/revealer/oathbreaker actually has nothing to do with the specific arts they practice, despite that particular accusation, which in most cases is either complete bullshit and demonisation, save in the rare cases that such is the REASON they turned - but in that case while the designation of Warlock defines their social status, the proper designation for their practicionery is Sorcery.

Worst of it is that most of the folk who use the damn terminologies can't even agree on what each term means with each other, so you have to hash out the damn terms first before you even have the real argument!


-Frem

PS. Charlie is none of my damn biz, nor is his life, ergo I ain't discussin it.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:51 AM

DREAMTROVE


Byte is mostly right.

I'm going to go out into the deep dark forest of the past for a moment and say a male witch is a druid.

The reason for this is in traditional Celtic societies, the practice of magic was divided, as society was somewhat divided as is common in tribal societies. The women gathered in covens, and the men in circles. There was a sort of division of labor, too. If a new spell was to be crafted, the druids would be the R&D, they would discover and test a new herb, and they would determine something like "this berry cured the dreaded purple pox" or something, and then they would give their findings to the witches, would then find out how to apply this, and go forth and cure the dreaded purple pox.

This is why when the various invaders came along, they *saw* the women casting spells. They were less hostile to the druids at first, because the druids were off in their circles researching, which wasn't visible witchcraft.

In the modern resurrections of the tradition, usually the two are separated as if they were unrelated religions. I'm sure if someone here saw druids gathered at a stone circle in robes around a fire discussing magic, they would photoshop in a giant stone owl


At any rate, a wizard was a particularly high rank. It was a position of power. By contrast, every member of a coven was a witch, so her historical male parallel would be a druid.

Merlin, whose real name was Myrdyn was the high wizard to the Welsh court. I'm trying to remember the story, who the invader was, whether it was romans, germans, whoever, anyway, whoever the invader was, they didn't understand the concept of wizard, and so they thought they would destroy wales by assassinating the line of succession of the king, which they did. This left the wizard the highest ranking official, and Merlin took over the defense of Wales and beat back the invaders, with magic, of course. And undoubtedly lots of loyal druids and witches.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 6:22 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


It's not the wizards attacking Charlie, it's the lizards.

Parhaps he's cranky because he pays his porn star ex-wife $250,000/year to NOT have sex with him?


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Thursday, March 3, 2011 7:36 AM

BYTEMITE


I've actually read a few stories about the witch/druid thing, and it seemed plausible, though I was never sure if that was a reimagining of the history or not, because I wasn't sure if the rest of the story was all that accurate either.

I could see it working that way.

The way I've always thought of it was the druids were kinda religious policy makers managing resources and interpreting the omens they could read in the natural environment, whereas the witches were the folklore and practicioner angle. Which is not too different from the roles you're saying they had.

Frem: interesting about warlocks. Honestly I don't believe there are "dark arts" either way, but I could see how they might just be people who got a bad rap from the mainstream witches and druids at the time.

I'm also slightly amused and not too surprised to see you defending them, considering you practice the shadow side of a different religion.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 7:37 AM

DREAMTROVE


Sorry John, we strayed far off topic.

I get the conspiracy theory. Charlie is a truther, so they sink Charlier. Tom is a Scientologist, he's anti-drug, so they sink Tom.

Here's the part that makes your theory work:

Hollywood stars have big egos, loud mouths and do lots of drugs. If given enough rope, over a very short period of time, they would hang themselves. Any hollywood star is likely to say things and do things that the public wouldn't care for. Probably a lot of times. But if they are a media darling, you won't hear about it.

If they fall out of favor, they're fair game. Even more than that, anything can be exaggerated. It's just like politics. Politicians fuck up constantly, for very similar reasons. Also, politicians are dumber than actors, because their job requires no actual skill or thought. But a politician doesn't have to fuck up to be slain for fucking up. Howard Dean Scream. Ron Paul Racist Newsletter. These things actually didn't happen, but they killed presidential races anyway. One of my favorites was Jack Ryan Sex Scandal. When asked under oath after the election, during divorce proceedings, Jeri Ryan said "Oh, I was lying." Yes, of course you were. You wanted Obama to become a Senator, so you turned over your husband, and forced the GOP to shuffle in a replacement, Alan Keyes was a surefire loser. This made Obama a superstar, not because of his success, but his opponents' EPIC FAIL.

So, we're hearing about Charlie Sheen, just like we heard about Mel Gibson, because *now* the media wants rid of him. In reality, Charlie Sheen has been like this for a very long time. I recall Heidi Fleiss flourishing us with TMI details.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 7:51 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I've actually read a few stories about the witch/druid thing, and it seemed plausible, though I was never sure if that was a reimagining of the history or not, because I wasn't sure if the rest of the story was all that accurate either.

I could see it working that way.

The way I've always thought of it was the druids were kinda religious policy makers managing resources and interpreting the omens they could read in the natural environment, whereas the witches were the folklore and practicioner angle. Which is not too different from the roles you're saying they had.



I'm pretty sure of this, but there are different levels of druids. Remember, it's the culture's religion, it's going to have a lot of followers, probably at times, damn near everyone. I'm sure there were policy making circles, certainly those with wizards in them, but sexual segregation of society is extremely common in early societies because it makes sense. When you mix sexes, the men are always in competition, and the women are always being excessively pursued, there's not a lot of stability, or productive communication. I first noticed this when following the discovery of undiscovered tribes. Every single one without fail had this structure. It's simple evolution. It's a more efficient way to do it.

But aside from that, everything I've read which is historical seems to support this, back to the early roman accounts of celts. Romans, of course, found naked women on the sidelines casting spells at them very distracting


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlock

I don't think there were warlocks, but I can't be sure. The word exists for a reason, but it may have been an epithet used by christians, like troll.

I believe there were witches because the root word is everywhere. witches, witchcraft, wicked, wiccan, all derivative of old english wicca. I wonder if it's related to wicker, I'm going to go out on a limb, so to speak, and guess that it is:
Quote:

Wicker, mid-14c., "wickerwork," from a Scandinavian source (cf. M.Swed. viker "willow branch") akin to O.N. vikja "to move, turn," Swed. vika "to bend," and related to O.E. wican "to give way, yield" (see weak). The notion is of pliant twigs.



Also interesting

Quote:

Witch

O.E. wicce "female magician, sorceress," in later use especially "a woman supposed to have dealings with the devil or evil spirits and to be able by their cooperation to perform supernatural acts," fem. of O.E. wicca "sorcerer, wizard, man who practices witchcraft or magic," from verb wiccian "to practice witchcraft" (cf. Low Ger. wikken, wicken "to use witchcraft," wikker, wicker "soothsayer"). OED says of uncertain origin; Liberman says "None of the proposed etymologies of witch is free from phonetic or semantic difficulties." Klein suggests connection with O.E. wigle "divination," and wig, wih "idol." Watkins says the nouns represent a P.Gmc. *wikkjaz "necromancer" (one who wakes the dead), from PIE *weg-yo-, from *weg- "to be strong, be lively." That wicce once had a more specific sense than the later general one of "female magician, sorceress" perhaps is suggested by the presence of other words in O.E. describing more specific kinds of magical craft. In the Laws of Ælfred (c.890), witchcraft was specifically singled out as a woman's craft, whose practitioners were not to be suffered to live among the W. Saxons:

Ða fæmnan þe gewuniað onfon gealdorcræftigan & scinlæcan & wiccan, ne læt þu ða libban."

The other two words combined with it here are gealdricge, a woman who practices "incantations," and scinlæce "female wizard, woman magician," from a root meaning "phantom, evil spirit." Another word that appears in the Anglo-Saxon laws is lyblæca "wizard, sorcerer," but with suggestions of skill in the use of drugs, since the root of the word is lybb "drug, poison, charm." Lybbestre was a fem. word meaning "sorceress," and lybcorn was the name of a certain medicinal seed (perhaps wild saffron). Weekly notes possible connection to Gothic weihs "holy" and Ger. weihan "consecrate," and writes, "the priests of a suppressed religion naturally become magicians to its successors or opponents." In Anglo-Saxon glossaries, wicca renders L. augur (c.1100), and wicce stands for "pythoness, divinatricem." In the "Three Kings of Cologne" (c.1400) wicca translates Magi:

Þe paynyms ... cleped þe iij kyngis Magos, þat is to seye wicchis.

The glossary translates L. necromantia ("demonum invocatio") with galdre, wiccecræft. The Anglo-Saxon poem called "Men's Crafts" has wiccræft, which appears to be the same word, and by its context means "skill with horses." In a c.1250 translation of "Exodus," witches is used of the Egyptian midwives who save the newborn sons of the Hebrews: "Ðe wicches hidden hem for-ðan, Biforen pharaun nolden he ben." Witch in ref. to a man survived in dialect into 20c., but the fem. form was so dominant by 1601 that men-witches or he-witch began to be used. Extended sense of "young woman or girl of bewitching aspect or manners" is first recorded 1740. Witch doctor is from 1718; applied to African magicians from 1836.

At this day it is indifferent to say in the English tongue, 'she is a witch,' or 'she is a wise woman.' [Reginald Scot, "The Discoverie of Witchcraft," 1584]


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Thursday, March 3, 2011 9:42 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Sorry John, we strayed far off topic.

I get the conspiracy theory. Charlie is a truther, so they sink Charlier. Tom is a Scientologist, he's anti-drug, so they sink Tom.

So, we're hearing about Charlie Sheen, just like we heard about Mel Gibson, because *now* the media wants rid of him.



It's also VERY easy to slip them a spiked drug or drink, then anonymously call 911...and TMZ.

Spooks run the whores, aka "honeypots". Mossad's Israeli escort service fired kosher Governor Elliot Spitzer within 24 hours, to keep the bankstas out of prison...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)

Sheen's prior stripper porn-star wife Denise Richards claimed Charlie spent $250,000/day with online gambling. Honeypot's honeypot? That was retaliation for Charlie's 9/11 Truth conference in Hollywood with Alex Jones and Pirate News...

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 10:10 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Scientologists, like anyone, should be able to practice their religeon as they choose, as long as no one is being physically hurt etc. in the process.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya



I think that is the issue, isn't it? According to former members of the Church, a lot of emotional and physical harm is done to members, especially those members who wish to leave the church. It may be a lot of heresay, but together with the whacky beliefs and treatments for emotional disorders, the pyramid scheme like structure of the organisation, the use of legal resources to silence critics, I'd say that Scientology was a bit of a worry.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 11:08 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Frem: interesting about warlocks. Honestly I don't believe there are "dark arts" either way, but I could see how they might just be people who got a bad rap from the mainstream witches and druids at the time.

I'm also slightly amused and not too surprised to see you defending them, considering you practice the shadow side of a different religion.


Depends a lot of your interpretation of "Dark" - kind of like how I pointed out that someone like me is regarded as evil, as a villain, more for the decent things I do than the heinous, because of the way society looks at rulebreaking and heresy.
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Classification based on Vajrayana scriptures and commentaries

The tantric scriptures and its commentaries provide three strategies to discuss the theoretical nature of Vajrayana Buddhism:

1. Vajrayana as a subset of Mahayana Buddhism
2. Vajrayana as a fruitional or advanced vehicle (where Mahayana is a prelude to Vajrayana)
3. Vajrayana as the sorcerer’s discipline (vidyadharasamvara)


More specific to the Shadow Path, the Diamond Shield, is the distinction between RHP and LHP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-Hand_Path_and_Right-Hand_Path
Quote:

In more recent definitions, which base themselves on the terms' origins amongst Indian Tantra, the Right-Hand Path, or RHP, is seen as a definition for those magical groups which follow specific ethical codes and adopt social convention, whilst the Left-Hand Path adopts the opposite attitude, espousing the breaking of taboo and the abandoning of set morality. Some contemporary occultists have stressed that both paths can be followed by a magical practitioner, as essentially they have the same goals.

When you consider my attitude toward heresy, seeing it as a positive force, a check against stagnation and decay, to question that which is known, it becomes pretty damn obvious I follow LHP structures of belief, well, and this..
Quote:

They often question religious or moral dogma, instead adhering to forms of personal anarchism.

Gee, THAT doesn't sound familiar, noo

But yeah, most religious outcasts are generally hated on far in excess of any real offense they committed, complete with a fullisade of demonisation, generally little to none of it true - again, save in the rare case where their questioning has led them to LHP practices as the natural path of events for them.

Not like *I* subscribe to conventional morality anyway, for simplicities sake, I generally fall back on a pair of tropes to avoid the bother of a longer explaination.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScaryAmoralReligion

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 11:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Of course everyone should be able to practice their religion of choice. Just as I should have the right to mock Scientology. I don't mock most other organized religions, they make me too angry. Scientology is just a joke--to me.

I see Sheen lost his kids...I'm on the fence about that, but his behavior, his "goddesses" and more make me wonder if that's not a good idea...depending on where they place the kids.

Mostly I wish he'd get off the air; he's everywhere, in every news story, and I'm sick of his insanity. As to the MSM "going after" Cruise just because he's anti-drug, and the others, I say bullshit. Media plays what gets attention. Blatant racism, wild behavior, etc., get attention. Otherwise, why do they cover Lindsay Lohan so much? What does/is she that they hate so much they try to pull her down? Michael Jackson? I don't buy the conspiracy theory; famous people who are asses act out and get caught, simple as that.

As to every famous person having behaved/spoken like these people have, I also call bullshit. I'd bet dollars to donuts there are many who have never said/done the kinds of things that bring publicity down on those mentioned. Try Tom Hanks, Ron Howard on for size. Any intelligent, non-druged-up star knows when to speak in private or keep their mouths shut. Those mentioned DON'T...especially Sheen, who is so caught up in his current mental problems that he can't see any better.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:32 PM

BYTEMITE


Michael Jackson... I dunno. Plenty there to suggest the guy was meddled with as well as deeply screwed up. I understand his father was pretty abusive, despite having tried to clean up and whitewash, and I can also easily imagine "handlers" getting involved to manage the fame and the image.

Not that it justified anything he did, but I think Michael Jackson was a disturbed individual and the creation of circumstance.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:51 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Yeah Niki, as I said I make fun of scientology too on my own time, but I figured that I should be diplomatic about the issue before I admitted to taking part in the making fun. Its true and I believe they have the right to do that if they want, even if I think it is silly.

I don't like magical things except when they are pretend, like in fantasy stories, movies, when you're playing pretends about an alternate universe where magic is possible and safe etc.

As for Charlie Sheen's kids, I don't know what the circumstances are there so I can't make a judgement. My understanding is that legally one shouldn't be taking away children unless there is abuse or neglect going on. Sure DHS blurs those boundaries when they feel like it, but legally abuse or neglect are the only two reasons children are supposed to be removed from a household. Was Charlie's household abusive or neglectful? Maybe. I think that should be laws about this sort of thing because if it is subjective then people will take children away for all kinds of reasons, just because I don't agree with how people are raising their kids for instance, that shouldn't give me the right to take them away. That's why there is the abuse or neglect law, so people's personal opinions don't figure into it. Do people always follow this law, no, mistakes are made on both ends, taking away kids too often or in some cases not taking them when they really should. The huge problem is that the foster care system is pretty rutted up, so its a crap shoot whether the foster home will be any better than their actual home.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:59 PM

BYTEMITE


Well said.

Prediction: Frem elaboration incoming. Any wagers?

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 4:36 PM

DREAMTROVE


I find that I have no problem respecting religions, because they all have some solid points. I can't think of one offhand that didn't have some piece of eternal wisdom that I have adopted into my life.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 5:49 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



Quote:

"Just got invited to do the Nancy Grace show... I'd rather go on a long road trip with Chuck Lorre in a '75 Pacer...."
-Charlie Sheen
http://twitter.com/charliesheen



Charlie Sheen's Twitter Sets Guinness World Record

Charlie Sheen is gunning for a brand new career: Twitter pitchman. He's got the resume, that's for sure. The man who says he's addicted to winning did exactly that on Twitter Tuesday and Wednesday, setting the Guinness World Record for fastest Twitter user to hit one million followers.

His record time? 25 hours and 17 minutes. And he's now at 1,287,825 followers; that's 5000 more than when this article was started.

Sheen signed up for the social network service late Tuesday afternoon, and as soon as people caught wind of it, his follower numbers began to skyrocket. He's been tweeting messages with the hashtag #winning, tweeting friendly celebrities and answering a few fan questions. Slowly, Sheen has started to follow people -- here's a partial list, to which he's added a few more -- raising the number to a lucky 25.

So why is he doing this? Boredom? Hardly. Without his "Two and a Half Men" income, Sheen needs some cash to support his lavish lifestyle. Which he plans to get through Twitter.

As the Huffington Post pointed out on Tuesday night, he's following Chris Ovitz, the Director of Business Development of ad.ly, perhaps to add corporate-sponsored advertising tweets. Forbes confirmed that theory, saying that the site helped Sheen set up his account, got it authorized, and will help him attract sponsors.

He told TMZ that it's a "cash cow".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/03/charlie-sheens-twitter-se_n_8
30903.html


Bree Olson Nude: Charlie Sheen's Porn Star Goddess Rachel Oberlin In Naked Pics (PHOTOS)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/03/bree-olson-nude-charlie-s_n_8
31063.html


I can't imagine why 2.5 Men reaps $1-Billion/year... The show is NOT cancelled. Obviously.

Charlie Sheen to sue ADL for $8-million
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/WillFoxmanApologizetoSheen.html

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Friday, March 4, 2011 2:32 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Actually I am grinding my teeth and not responding because much as I might like to answer some of this...

A: I am very uncomfortable discussing my personal beliefs in detail, not the least of which because they tend to freak westerners out, but also cause I am just NOT - in a day and age when everyone seems intent on ramming theirs down my throat on a fucking bayonet, using society, economics and even our legal system to slam it home, I feel that unless directly asked a specific question, one should keep their damn pie-hole shut about such things, and to not do so makes me feel like a damn hypocrite.

B: Charlies business is NONE. OF. MINE. - I don't know him, don't wanna know him, don't care about him, his life, or the medias fanatic interest, and am therefore studiously and deliberately IGNORING every damn bit of this mess on purpose and with extreme prejudice.

Kinda like those amazingly annoying ad-banners, flash overlays, pop-up bars and even TV commercials, someone pays a lot of money to shove that in your face, to try to FORCE you to see it, watch it, acknowledge it - and the very best retaliation, the way to kick them right smack in the yarbles about it, is to NOT DO SO.

Right now the media and the money behind them want everyone pinned to THIS ridiculous issue to the point of invading some schmucks personal life just cause he's been in some movies, whoopty, so fuckin what - they want that cause it drowns out more important issues they do NOT want people paying attention to.

Ergo, by completely boycotting such from my attention, I spit upon their intentions and reduce all their efforts to naught - and I wouldn't have said even THAT much about it, save that I never bothered to explain WHY I do so before, and I think it is relevant to do so now.

Enough said.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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