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Isreal commited WAR CRIMES ! So says UN supported Goldstone Report !!!

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Monday, April 4, 2011 11:45 AM

AURAPTOR

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...or not.


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NEW YORK, April 4, 2011 –
NEW YORK, April 4, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following op-ed is written by Ronald S. Lauder, President of the World Jewish Congress:

Better late than never, but not much better. How else can one respond to the belated retraction by Judge Richard Goldstone of the key allegations in the outrageous report he authored into Israel's Operation Cast Lead against Hamas terrorists in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009? Blatantly dishonest and biased, what became known as the Goldstone Report served as the most vicious instrument of defamation and de-legitimization against the Jewish state for decades. It gave heart to terrorists; it gave hope to anti-Semites; and it gave every twisted calumny against the State of Israel a new lease of life.

So now we find that even its author can no longer stomach it. Writing in the Washington Post last week, we learn that he now knows that its central allegation was a lie: "…civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy," he says. Referring to evidence provided by Israel, he adds: "I regret that our fact-finding mission did not have such evidence explaining the circumstances in which we said civilians in Gaza were targeted, because it probably would have influenced our findings about intentionality and war crimes."

Well, this is better late than never. But a mere statement of regret is surely not enough. Let us recall that the Goldstone Report has served as a pretext for "war crimes" charges leveled against Israeli officials across the world. The least Goldstone can now do is issue a public statement calling on his report to be withdrawn from the United Nations, through whose institutions it is still making its passage. He should do it at the UN itself, and he should encourage the head of the UN Human Rights Council – where the report originated – to do likewise.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20110404/pl_usnw/DC77019







" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, April 4, 2011 12:11 PM

BYTEMITE


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Ronald S. Lauder, President of the World Jewish Congress:


This sounds non-biased.

Here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/world/middleeast/03goldstone.html?_r
=1&ref=unitednations


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/world/middleeast/04goldstone.html

It appears that your post is correct, but you should try to use sources that people here are familiar with. While I imagine you don't think NYT has credibility, others around here do, and it's a much better way to make your case.

Of course, it sounds to me like there can still be something said about being careful about the targets that get hit. That probably goes for every military that can use long distance bombardment. It also sounds like there were still some incidents during the campaign that cast some question on the conduct and intentions of some of Isreal's nationalist parties, but to Isreal's credit they did investigate and discipline.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 12:23 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

It appears that your post is correct, but you should try to use sources that people here are familiar with. While I imagine you don't think NYT has credibility, others around here do, and it's a much better way to make your case.





First, the story is the story. There was a retraction, by a man who wrote 100's of pages concerning the atrocities of which Israel was not guilty. This retraction appears on page 10 ( I believe ) in the very NYT you hold out as being soooo 'credible'.

I do not share your view on the credibility of this paper. I question its competency and agenda, on a fair number of issues, and in reporting the news accurately in general.

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Of course, it sounds to me like there can still be something said about being careful about the targets that get hit. That probably goes for every military that can use long distance bombardment.



You'll excuse me while I smirk , if only a little, at the thought of all those 100's of rockets, targeted specifically AT civilian centers, that rain INTO Israel, on a weekly, if not daily basis.



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Monday, April 4, 2011 12:33 PM

BYTEMITE


Did I say I did? No, I said others do because they are familiar with it.

Frankly, I think all mainstream news sources are bunk... But I don't trust unknown news sources with obvious bias, either.

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You'll excuse me while I smirk , if only a little, at the thought of all those 100's of rockets, targeted specifically AT civilian centers, that rain INTO Israel, on a weekly, if not daily basis.



Sure. Goes for both. That's why I have trouble siding with either of them. I kinda just wish they'd stop blowing each other up and make nice before everyone gets dragged into it. Unlikely, I know...

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Monday, April 4, 2011 1:00 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Sure. Goes for both. That's why I have trouble siding with either of them. I kinda just wish they'd stop blowing each other up and make nice before everyone gets dragged into it. Unlikely, I know...



See, that's the point. It DOESN'T go for both! This debunked report shows exactly that. One targets civilians, while the other goes out of its way to avoid them.

I fail to see what's so hard for some to understand here.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 1:12 PM

BYTEMITE


A part of the report was retracted, yes, but apparently there were still 400 separate incidences, by the Isreali forces, involving soldiers and Palestinian civilians during the campaign. Isreal even admits to this, and I gave them credit for investigating.

But even if some are accidents and some aren't, I don't make the analogy that 1000 missiles from Palestine are automatically worse than, what, 100 from Isreal. They're missiles. Similarly, I can't make the argument that 1,400 Palestinian lives are equal to some number of Isreal lives. I think any loss of life on either side is unacceptable, so I can not and do not side with either one. When one side can demonstrably stop killing people from the other side, then we have a clear moral victor. Until then, I'm neutral.

Consider it a product of unreasonably high standards if you want to.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 1:25 PM

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And how many 'investigations' has Hamas conducted, on the errant shooting of rockets into ....

Oh, never mind. What's the point.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, April 4, 2011 1:39 PM

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And how many 'investigations' has Hamas conducted, on the errant shooting of rockets into ....


Granted. I still don't particularly care who did what or how much. So long as people are still dying, my inclination whenever I hear anything about Gaza is to want to smack Isreal and Palestine's heads together and lock them in a room until they figure something out.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 1:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:


Granted. I still don't particularly care who did what or how much...



I do.


But we agree the general head smacking the both of them idea.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, April 4, 2011 3:11 PM

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Huh. A thread of basic agreement. I'll throw in and agree. What a pointless conflict, but not really a war crime situation. I support economizing the whole situation. Let's assess the entire territory at objective economic value. Anyone who wants part of it can damn well pay for it, and anyone who lobs a missile can damn well pay for the damage they've done. I think this would end the war.

Israel would probably win this one, but they'd probably win the military one also, and if the Arab nations wanted that not to happen, they could invest in Palestine, which would do it a lot more good than sending them arms.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2011 4:22 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:


Huh. A thread of basic agreement. I'll throw in and agree. What a pointless conflict, but not really a war crime situation.




No, DT, the thread is about basic bias, in the UN and in the media, which has charged, tried and found Israel guilty of that which it was NOT!

That's the point.

The Goldstone Report was bunk. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD!


Sorry you missed it.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, April 6, 2011 7:31 PM

DREAMTROVE


Rap,

Didn't seem there was a strong dissent on that point. Maybe you're just being argumentative.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, April 7, 2011 8:27 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Rap,

Didn't seem there was a strong dissent on that point. Maybe you're just being argumentative.





No, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the Left wing media, and the ingrained bias of the United Nations.

So many claim that both are well meaning, neutral and simply have everyone's best interests at heart.

Nothing could be further from the truth.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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