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Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:23 PM

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www.spp.gov

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2005/01/05OTTAWA268.html

¶4. (SBU) Canadian economists in business, academia and
government have given extensive thought to the possible
options for further North American integration. Nearly all
of this work assumes that each of the three countries is
pursuing standard economic policy goals - growth,
productivity and competitiveness (rather than more specific
concerns raised by Mexican analysts such as migration
management, regional development, or environmental
protection). Since 9/11, Canadian economists working in
this area have generally endorsed a comprehensive initiative
with the United States on security, trade, and immigration.
Following is our summary of the professional consensus:

PROCESS: At this time, an "incremental" approach to
integration is probably better than a "big deal"
approach. However, governments should focus on
choosing their objectives, and not on choosing a
process.

BORDER VS. PERIMETER: Even with zero tariffs, our land
borders have strong commercial effects. Some of these
effects are positive (such as law enforcement and data
gathering), so our governments may always want to keep
some kind of land border in place. Canada and the
United States already share a security perimeter to
some degree; it is just a question of how strong we
want to make it.

BORDER RISK: The risk that business will be obstructed
at the border by discretionary U.S. actions, such as
measures to defend against terrorism or infectious
disease, in addition to growing congestion, have become
major risks to the economy, inhibiting investment in
Canada. For small businesses, the complexities of
navigating the border are apparently even more
intimidating than the actual costs. Reducing this risk
is Canada's top motive for pursuing further
integration.

LABOR MARKETS: Many Canadian economists point to labor
markets - both within and among countries - as the
factor market where more liberalization would deliver
the greatest economic benefits for all three countries.
They advocate freeing up professional licensing laws,
and developing a quick, simple, low-cost work permit
system, at least for U.S. and Canadian citizens.

REGULATION: Canadian economists agree that Canadian
regulations (if not their standards, then their
complexity) are needlessly restricting foreign
investment and impeding food, communications and other
industries. (Inter-provincial differences are
important here, since Canada's federal government does
not have the benefit of a U.S.-style "interstate
commerce" clause). While much of the problem is
domestic in nature, an international initiative could
help to catalyze change.

CUSTOMS UNION: A common external tariff, or a customs
union which eliminated NAFTA's rules of origin (ROO),
is economically desirable. NAFTA's ROO are so
restrictive that importers often prefer to pay the
tariff rather than try to prove North American origin.
However, economists differ on the size of the benefits
available and on whether these would justify the effort
of negotiation. One study estimated that a full
customs union which eliminated ROO would only raise
national income by about one percent.

CURRENCY UNION: Canadian economists are split on
whether a return to a fixed exchange rate, or adopting
the U.S. dollar, would benefit Canada in current
circumstances. (Canada last tied its dollar to the
U.S. dollar from 1962 to 1970). The central bank
governor has taken the position that "monetary union is
an issue that should be considered once we have made
more progress towards establishing a single market."

NORTH AMERICAN INTEGRATION: WHAT WE KNOW
-----------------------------------------

¶5. (SBU) Past integration (not just NAFTA but also many
bilateral and unilateral steps) has increased trade,
economic growth, and productivity. Studies suggest
that border efficiency and transportation improvements
(such as the lower cost and increased use of air
freight) have been a huge part of this picture.
Indeed, they may have been more important to our
growing prosperity over the past decade than NAFTA's
tariff reductions. Freight and passenger aviation are
critically important to our continent's
competitiveness, and businesses are very sensitive to
the timing, security, and reliability of deliveries -
hence the "border risk" which so concerns Canadian
policymakers.

¶6. (SBU) A stronger continental "security perimeter"
can strengthen economic performance, mainly by
improving efficiency at land borders and airports. It
could also facilitate future steps toward trilateral
economic integration, such as a common external tariff
or a customs union, if and when our three countries
chose to pursue them. Paradoxically, the security and
law enforcement aspects of the envisioned initiative
could hold as much - or more - potential for broad
economic benefits than the economic dimension.
WHERE'S THE UPSIDE?
-------------------
¶7. (SBU) Some international economic initiatives (such
as FTAs) produce across-the-board measures that
generate broad benefits for a country's industries and
consumers on a known time-line. This was true of NAFTA
but it is less likely to be true of the economic
aspects of the NAI. Non-tariff barriers such as
standards and regulations generally must be tackled one-
by-one. This is a piecemeal process and the ratio of
payoff to effort is likely to be lower than with across-
the-board measures. Governments naturally focus on
resolving the problems which their firms or citizens
bring to their attention. While this approach has
merits, it tends to deliver the payoffs toward
particular interests. If there are hidden costs, there
might be little impact on national performance. As we
move toward a list of barriers to tackle, it will
remain important to balance those interests. For
example, some Canadian economists have suggested that
NAFTA fell short of expectations with respect to
increasing consumer choice in Canada; that may be a

WHERE'S THE UPSIDE?
-------------------
¶7. (SBU) Some international economic initiatives (such
as FTAs) produce across-the-board measures that
generate broad benefits for a country's industries and
consumers on a known time-line. This was true of NAFTA
but it is less likely to be true of the economic
aspects of the NAI. Non-tariff barriers such as
standards and regulations generally must be tackled one-
by-one. This is a piecemeal process and the ratio of
payoff to effort is likely to be lower than with across-
the-board measures. Governments naturally focus on
resolving the problems which their firms or citizens
bring to their attention. While this approach has
merits, it tends to deliver the payoffs toward
particular interests. If there are hidden costs, there
might be little impact on national performance. As we
move toward a list of barriers to tackle, it will
remain important to balance those interests. For
example, some Canadian economists have suggested that
NAFTA fell short of expectations with respect to
increasing consumer choice in Canada; that may be a
theme we should stress as efforts to promote further
integration take shape.

¶8. (SBU) In contrast, cooperative measures on the
"security" side, a critical focus of current bilateral
efforts, can deliver substantial, early, and
widespread economic benefits. Security and law
enforcement within North America have evolved rapidly
since 9/11, leading to many less-than-perfect processes
for handling legitimate international traffic.
Collaboration to improve these processes could yield
efficiency improvements which would automatically be
spread widely across the economy, leading to general
gains in trade, productivity, and incomes.

A NOTE OF CAUTION
-----------------

¶9. (SBU) There is little basis on which to estimate the
size of the "upside" gains from an integration
initiative concentrating on non-tariff barriers of the
kind contained in NAI. For this reason, we cannot make
claims about how large the benefits might be on a
national or continental scale. When advocating NAI, it
would be better to highlight specific gains to
individual firms, industries or travelers, and
especially consumers.

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http://www.alipac.us/article-topic-55.html

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Thursday, May 19, 2011 6:52 AM

DREAMTROVE

I think you would find that the population distribution of Mexicans and Cubans has not changed significantly in 7,000 years. About 500 years ago, they were both conquered by Spain, so now they speak Spanish. In the 19th c. those on the graph were conquered by the US. I don't think anything has has changed much since.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:26 AM

BYTEMITE

Plus New York is Cubans who fled Fidel, not Mexicans. Calling New York a part of a "New Aztlan" is probably not accurate, unless you can tell me where to find a good burrito there.

However, it's interesting your map has an intelligence super-center in Los Angeles, but none in Manhattan or Washington D.C. You can probably tell who owns the country by who's been able to pay to not be monitored.

(Was already aware of the one being built in SLC. It's a sore spot)

EDIT: Nevermind, found wikileaks.

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Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:48 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

As Cathy O'Brien (River Tam) said, NAFTA was always for the Free Trade of cocaine and sexslaves in North America.

And faster export of factories and jobs.

University Insiders: Illegal Aliens Get In-State Tuition and Affirmative Action
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/17/affirmative-action-illegal-immigr
ants/

50-million Mexicans are currently immune to TSA gaterape checkpoints, in the North American Union Trusted Traveler Program. Only US slaves get gateraped.

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Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:20 PM

DREAMTROVE

Cubans are Taino Arowaks, as was the population of Florida when Ponce de Leon arrived. Continued fighting with the colonies push the Seminoles further south, culminating in the Seminal wars of the 19th c. The Miccosukee were a splinter group that pushed into Florida, displacing the native population. It was a Spanish colony at the time, but like most colonies, most of it was wilderness.

The immigration of Cubans to Miami is hardly a historical anomaly. Arowak empire of de Leon, with arowaks.

It's the same thing in the SW, which was mexico from the 14th c. or so until really about a century ago, most of the people there. In 1776, the population of the Spanish language states* spoke Spanish or indian languages exclusively. IIRC, when I was a kind about 50% do. Now it's closer to 30%.

* Which is what John has marked out here

John,

Seriously,

Has it occurred to you that the ruling Aztecs and Pochteca of Aztlan don't speak Spanish? I'm mean, sure, they speak it, but it's not their first language, which is their native Nahuatl.

Speaking of language that lend themselves well to the internet

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:24 PM

BYTEMITE

Quote:
Speaking of language that lend themselves well to the internet

I think that's sarcasm, but on the other hand, pictograms!

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Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:27 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Quote:
“I’m training my grandchildren to use long-range rifles. For what purpose? Well, I’m not going to say the words ‘Barack Obama,’ but … we are heading for a major conflict between the haves and the have nots. I came here many years ago with a biker movie and we stopped a war. Now, it’s about starting the world. I sent an email to President Obama saying, ‘You are a fucking traitor,’ using those words… ‘You’re a traitor, you allowed foreign boots on our soil telling our military — in this case the coastguard – what they can and could not do, and telling us, the citizens of the United States, what we could or could not do’.”
-Peter Fonda, producer of “The Big Fix” about the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, Cannes Film Festival 2011,
www.infowars.com/peter-fonda-issues-threat-against-obama-is-there-a-dh
s-double-standard/

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