REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Pawlenty's insanity

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 06:28
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 980
PAGE 1 of 1

Monday, June 20, 2011 7:20 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Now THIS is TRULY insane:
Quote:

Hey rich folks, Tim Pawlenty wants to cut your taxes. A lot.

Under the terms of his recently revealed economic plan, Americans in the top 20% of earners would see their taxes cut by an average of $23,500, an 8.6 percentage point drop in their tax rate, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

And the top 1% would get an annual average reduction of $261,000, a 14.8 percentage point drop.

Meanwhile, Americans in the lowest 20% of income would see their taxes drop by an average of only $23, a 0.2 percentage point change in their tax rate.

Put another way, Americans who earn between $40,000 and $50,000 a year will see their after-tax income increase by 1.7%, while Americans who earn more than $1 million will see a 24.1% bump.

Under Pawlenty's plan, taxes on capital gains, interest income, dividends and estates would all be eliminated. Individuals would pay a 10% tax rate on their first $50,000 in income and 25% on all additional earnings.

If you thought the Bush tax cuts were big, Pawlenty's are on steroids.

"This is taking the Bush policy and doubling down, and maybe even doubling down again," said Joe Rosenberg, a researcher at the Tax Policy Center.

"The revenue yield makes it an implausible tax system to implement," Rosenberg said.

In a statement to CNNMoney, Pawlenty spokesman Alex Conant said that the tax side of the proposal should not be scored without considering the potential economic growth that would accompany the cuts.

To help make up for the lost revenue, Pawlenty's plan relies on sustained GDP growth of 5% -- a feat rarely accomplished -- to bring in an additional $3.8 trillion in revenue over ten years.

But that will only cover half the lost tax revenue. Of course, Pawlenty also wants dramatic cuts to spending.

As president, he would ask Congress to grant him emergency authority to freeze spending at current levels, and then impound up to 5% of federal spending until the budget is balanced.

Earlier this week, Pawlenty defended his bullish economic plan during the CNN debate in New Hampshire.

"This idea that we can't have 5% growth in America is hogwash. It's a defeatist attitude. If China can have 5% growth and Brazil can have 5% growth, then the United States of America can have 5% growth," Pawlenty said.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/17/news/economy/pawlenty_taxes/index.htm?
iid=HP_LN&hpt=hp_bn4


Can even our righties defend the insanity of this "plan"?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, June 20, 2011 12:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



This ' hate the rich' crusade of you folks on the Left really does have to come to an end. Seriously, the schadenfreudites on the Left have to just let go of the hate.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, June 20, 2011 1:43 PM

STORYMARK


Nice of the RapTard to dodge the question, and just spew the paranoid "class warfare" bullshit wingnuts use now to avoid explaining the perpetual blowjob they give the rich.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, June 20, 2011 5:20 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

This ' hate the rich' crusade of you folks on the Left really does have to come to an end. Seriously, the schadenfreudites on the Left have to just let go of the hate.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Don't worry, it will. Like everyone else, they need funding too.

Quote:


Under Pawlenty's plan, taxes on capital gains, interest income, dividends and estates would all be eliminated. Individuals would pay a 10% tax rate on their first $50,000 in income and 25% on all additional earnings.



I'm not a fan of Pawlenty, but I can see no flaw in this plan.

In fact, the more I read it over, the better it looks. Of course the economy will grow more than 5% if you cut taxes that much. Think about it. The economy yields X% growth, and you tax y%, the net growth is x-y%. He's going to slash y, so x-y will go up.

It also appears he's not planning on spending a lot, so his major task would be restructuring the debt, but he has enough to do that.

Of course, he's another person with no chance of being elected. He just wants to put the idea out there so people can think about it. Hell, it beats devaluing the currency while continuing to spend 3.5 trillion a year

Also, I assume he's not getting rid of standard deductions, but even if he is, he'd be cutting my taxes under that plan.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, June 20, 2011 6:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Cutting taxes hasn't grown the economy. The logical fallacy is believing that it has, or that it will.

You can try to dress it up as "Thatcherism", but it's still the same old "piss-on-you" trickle-down crap that's been tried and discredited time and again.

It's as stupid as the claim that cutting taxes will increase revenue.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:41 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Without comment on Pawlenty's plan pro or con, this article sure shows the truth of "Lies, damn lies, and statistics".

"Keep the Shiny side up"

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:12 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Can even our righties defend the insanity of this "plan"?


Yes. So far I like a lot of what he's saying, if not how he's saying it.

The idea is that cutting taxes will stimulate economic growth. Some people disagree with that idea.

History shows us that if taxes are too high the economy suffers. Likewise if they are too low the govt can not operate effectively.

Right now our govt is spending way too much money. Seems the solution is more revenue and less spending. I disagree that additional broad based tax cuts are needed. We need targeted tax cuts, such as a signifigant reduction on the corporate tax rate.

While I like the plan for what it is, I think that a massive spending cut plan with mostly current tax rates is most needed at this time. Slash spending, make the Bush cuts permanant, eliminate that ObamaCare tax hikes. Then once we have a handle on the debt we can look at lowering taxes for everyone.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I should have known that those who had bought into "trickle down" and still believe cutting taxes stimulates the economy would love this, but I guess I'm still to naive. My mind is appropriately boggled at people who want to INCREASE the already-huge gap between rich and poor, and who have so bought into the concept that tax cuts for the rich stimulate growth, which has been shown over and OVER not to be true. I won't go into it again, because I've already done so and it's not worth it anyway, given the mentality.

This is so far beyond reasonable that it's depressing so many still buy into it. No wonder politicians find it so easy to get people to vote for even insane things. There's a quote I can't remember specifically or find that says "It's a good thing for government that voters are stupid"

Some pretty smart guys get it:
Quote:

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
-Albert Einstein

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change."
-Confucius



Ah well, some things never change.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:28 AM

STORYMARK


As Ive said before, no point discussing with those who have adopted a theory (a disproven one to boot) as a religion.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
Kamala Harris for President
Wed, November 6, 2024 22:13 - 644 posts
That didn't take long...
Wed, November 6, 2024 22:08 - 36 posts
Electoral College, ReSteal 2024 Edition
Wed, November 6, 2024 21:59 - 43 posts
Trump wins 2024. Republicans control Senate.
Wed, November 6, 2024 21:54 - 11 posts
Elections; 2024
Wed, November 6, 2024 21:46 - 4613 posts
Will Your State Regain It's Representation Next Decade?
Wed, November 6, 2024 20:54 - 111 posts
Get Woke, Go Broke
Wed, November 6, 2024 20:36 - 66 posts
Suspect arrested after attack on Paul Pelosi, American businessman, married to Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
Wed, November 6, 2024 20:22 - 62 posts
Where are the Libertarians?
Wed, November 6, 2024 20:16 - 91 posts
Multiculturalism
Wed, November 6, 2024 20:07 - 54 posts
For the record.
Wed, November 6, 2024 20:00 - 224 posts
India
Wed, November 6, 2024 19:52 - 140 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL