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Hey ho! The poor aren't poor anymore!!!

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Whee, The Heritage Foundation sez: You aren't poor!
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Do you worry about Americans living in poverty? Think that perhaps taxes should be raised on the ultra-wealthy in order to help those destroyed by the recession they created?

Do you have any sympathy and empathy for your fellow citizen in trouble?

The Heritage Foundation to the rescue! Today they published a study to show how the poor are actually livin' large thanks to their 'amenities'.

The study can be found at http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/what-is-poverty.

The opening sentence gives one a flavor of the entire piece:
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Each year for the past two decades, the U.S. Census Bureau has reported that over 30 million Americans were living in “poverty.” In recent years, the Census has reported that one in seven Americans are poor. But what does it mean to be “poor” in America? How poor are America’s poor?
Isn't it cute how they put poverty and poor in quotation marks? Because, as they're about to prove, the poor aren't poor.
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Poor families certainly struggle to make ends meet, but in most cases, they are struggling to pay for air conditioning and the cable TV bill as well as to put food on the table [that's a lie, as you'll see below--cable TV and air conditioning are usually part of the rent, they don't OWN them]. Their living standards are far different from the images of dire deprivation promoted by activists and the mainstream media.
How dare they have air conditioning, particularly when temperatures around the country now are killing people who are without it!

The Heritage Foundation then gives data on poor households who have such luxuries as a refrigerator, a stove, a ceiling fan, a coffee pot and so on. I have news for the silver-spoon trust funders who work at the HF: even the most wretched slum apartment generally has a refrigerator and a stove. Some might even offer a ceiling fan. The Heritage Foundation apparently won't be happy until we're all living under bridges, although then they'll say we don't have it bad as long as we have a blanket.

Anyway, the Heritage Foundation takes their list of 'amenities' and scores it against poor households. You see, a $10 coffee pot from Dollar General and a $20 television from Goodwill means that you aren't suffering enough for our overlords - you're actually very well off compared to the poor 100 years ago. You can't make this shit up! A coffee pot is actually considered some kind of luxury item to the HF and it's scored against the poor.

So once they've 'proven' that the poor aren't actually poor because their Section 8 housing has a refrigerator, they do make a concession:
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Of course, the typical poor family could have a host of modern conveniences and still live in dilapidated, overcrowded housing. However, data from other government surveys show that this is not the case. Poor Americans are well housed and rarely overcrowded. In fact, the houses and apartments of America’s poor are quite spacious by international standards. The typical poor American has considerably more living space than does the average European
So, they have spacious, comfortable housing and they aren't hungry, either!
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On average, the poor are well nourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children. In most cases, it is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than higher-income children consume, and their protein intake averages 100 percent above recommended levels. In fact, most poor children are super-nourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II
The entire argument for saying that the poor are livin' large is that in a time of terrible, terrible deficits maybe we're doing too much for them...

I know someone who lives in a broken-down RV in Oklahoma. The plumbing is bad and it doesn't have running water. She has it parked in an RV park that offers cable and Internet for the modest rental fee, and according to the Heritage Foundation she's living a life of luxury, even though she's living in a 25 year old RV without running water.

This is the modern conservative movement in a nutshell. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/18/996067/-The-Heritage-Foundati
on-sez:-You-arent-poor
!

Talk about insanity! The report states: "The home of the typical poor family was not overcrowded and was in good repair." That's bullshit; right here in SF, the low-class housing can be seen to be in disrepair EVEN JUST DRIVING BY IT. I don't know who their "typical" poor families are, but that's sure not true in the inner city or a lot of subsidized housing.

Also, "The typical poor American family was also able to obtain medical care when needed." --Yes, BECAUSE of programs they want to eliminate and because hospitals (i.e., WE) provide care in their ERs, not because the poor can afford health insurance!

Then there's "Poor children actually consume more meat than higher-income children consume..., and their protein intake averages 100 percent above recommended levels" -- no mention of what meat that is, and studies have proven over and over that poor families eat more often at McDonalds, etc., because the price of cooking for a family is too expensive. So yeah, they get more low-quality meat and fewer vegetables; I'm sure we all want to eat that way, yes?

They go on to say "most poor children are super-nourished"...! I mean REALLY??? Where they get that is a mysery. For some kids, the only real meal they get is at school, another program I'm sure they'd like to get rid of.

They neglect to mention, except down in the references, that "In households that rent a dwelling, large fixed amenities such as air conditioning, refrigerators, washers, and dryers usually belong to the property owner rather than the renter", thereby avoiding the fact that these people didn't BUY and don't OWN those amenities...but hey, they've got use of them, so they're rich, right?

They also don't mention how many of those poor families require both parents to work just to get by, as opposed to the rest of us.

I love how they managed all this; intended as a sop to the consciences of the wealthy, they've played all kinds of games. Refrigerator, stove, oven: all these things are listed as belonging to poor households above 80%. Again, not OWNED, but utilized.

Now we get lower: 62% have a clothes washer, 53% a clothes dryer; again, have ACCESS to, don't actually own.

Non-Portable stereo (you know, like we all have?) - less than 50%
Coffee maker: 48.6%
Answering machine: 36.6%
Dishwaser: 25% (again, probably built in, so not actually owned)

Nowhere do they figure what condition any of the amenities they list are, whether they were bought from Goodwill or other second-hand stores, how far behind the technology might be, whether a family scrimped to get a cell phone to help them look for work, or any number of other factors which aren't convenient to their point. In the whole article, just by skimming (so maybe I missed it), nowhere could I find any mention of clothing. I imagine clothing doesn't show the proper amount of "wealth" to "prove" their point, especially since a helluvalot of it is bought from Goodwill, etc. I know, I buy from Goodwill and thrift stores, and I guarantee, the people I see there aren't middle class or well off!

They also, of course, have no way of telling what people DID WITHOUT in order to attain these "amenities".

Also it might be noted that all their tables except two have figures from 2005. I'm sure the poor have just as high a percentage of amenities these days, you betcha! The two charts which are relatively recent (2009) are about homelessness. Note:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/~/media/Images/Report
s/2011/07/b2575/b2575_table2.ashx?w=500&h=374&as=1
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While the overall number of homeless has not increased during the current recession [are you fucking KIDDING ME?], there has been a small increase in the number of families with children who use homeless shelters. Some 168,000 families with children resided in a homeless shelter for at least one night during all of 2010. This figure was up from 130,000 in 2007. The increase of 38,000 families represents only one family out every 1,000 families with children [so screw those 38,000 families, apparently]. While the misfortune is real for the families involved, these numbers scarcely show a tidal wave of increased homelessness.
In other words, they're doing okay, they are only homeless now and then, only spend the night in a shelter now and then; hey, they don't need OUR help!

The entire article never mentions that these things are possible because of programs they want to (or already have) eliminated. So damn, we should stop helping the poor, they're having ENTIRELY too much fun!

Nonetheless, I'm sure it will serve as a very useful article to assuage any possible guilt feelings people might entertain about shafting the poor, and I'm sure Rappy et al,. will find it proves to them that the poor are stealing from all of us to live the high life. Anyone want to guess at what they'll have to say about this? Any takers?

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Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


All you really needed to say was "In a study released by the Heritage Foundation...", and I'd have known what their bent was going to be.

They used to be a conservative organization, but have of late become a mouthpiece for the far-right wingnut faction of the G-O-P-bagger party.

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Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:45 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'm pretty sure somewhere in that report will be a comment about how they deserve to live the way they do, because poorness is a choice in the USA.

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Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Has anyone informed the poor of their newfound wealth?

After all, it's not like they have computers to look up the Heritage Foundation's study...

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Friday, July 29, 2011 7:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Mike, I know..."Heritage Foundation" is all one has to say. I just thought it was amazing--I would say "even for them", but at this point there IS no "even for them", it's all-out war.

As to the "poor", we'll be joining them before long. Hey, maybe that's how they got the figures they wanted on "amenities" (aside from faking what people don't actually OWN). When my family joins the ranks of the poor, we'll still have our three computers, iPods, hot tub, cell phones, etc., so they can count THOSE as "amenities" the poor owns, eh? The more of us made poor who already OWN stuff we got when we weren't poor, the better their stats look!

Still waiting for the righties to defend this, and along with it will come the usual shit about the poor being "bums" who want to steal all "our" money...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Friday, July 29, 2011 7:37 AM

BYTEMITE


The study is of course blatantly agenda driven, though I'm not sure anyone here cites the Heritage Foundation for anything.

I will say it's a strange system that only considers income and does not factor in real world assets in any definition of poverty, but then, we can see here how that measure can also go wrong.

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Friday, July 29, 2011 8:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Yanno, remember what I said about "legacy stuff" in the discussion over whether your stuff is worth risking your neck or harming someone to keep yours...
It's not so easy to say "it's just stuff" and shrug it off when you've no means to replace it, and your viewpoint on how far you'll go to keep it changes quick, don't it ?

That said - we all know what the "Heritage Foundation" really is, and while that attitude is appalling, it's not unexpected.

It's also not long-term viable, cause they really do sound a like Marie Antoinette here, don't they ?
And if things continue down that path, I don't expect what follows to be any damn different either, this is essentially class warfare between the haves and have nots, and the fact that we *DO* have a de-facto caste system in place, in america, flies in the face of everything the *ideal* of america really MEANS...

But then the goddamn Federalists didn't mean a word of that equality bullshit when they first promoted it as a smokescreen for setting themselves up as a new aristocracy - once again, and as so often in history, they didn't really want to cut the leash, just change who's hand was holding it, and mostly succeeded in that cause we let em, allowed em to set up a rigged game of a society where they'd wind up with all the marbles, and based on the ridiculous notion that one can take out more marbles than they put in.
(Which you can, if you set it up so you get to take everyone elses!)
But the problem with that, is you eventually run out of marbles to take...
And folks get a bit pissy about it and break out the pitchforks and torches, at which point the disparity of numbers between the haves and have nots makes THAT a foregone conclusion too.

Thus I say, maybe giving back some of those fuckin marbles would be a REALLY GOOD IDEA right about now - not that they'll do it, and it'd likely only stave off the inevitable for a while anyhows.

Regardless of the bullshit we window dress it with, we really HAVEN'T in fact progressed beyond the Feudal model, sure, we call em counties and states, but it's the same goddamn thing in the end and I think we all know it.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...





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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:58 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Niki, the reason no one is defending this is because you're right, its a dumb article and makes no sense in realityland. This article is foolish.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, Riona, it's stupid, but would you like to bet on how many on the right don't just believe it, but will CITE it in future?

And believe me, we have a few here who would love to use it to prove the "poor" are just bums. You know that. I just don't think they have the guts to try and use it here.


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